RE: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport....
Taking into account that this interview came from "TESTOSTERONE MAGAZINE" I would have to say that the interview is biased towards Francis' point of view. Although I thought Francis made some interesting points with regards to the way only lower athletes get caught while established athletes, and we all know who he's referring to here, are protected. Rumors to this effect have been circulating around the track and field community in this country (USA) for the last 20 years. With the pending litigation surrounding the resignation of Dr Wade Exum we'll just have to sit back and see where the chips fall. I'm not going to, nor do I think anyone else should, make accusation of drug cheating by current or past athletes unless I had substantiated evidence and not just hearsay. If Exum has this evidence then this country's (USA) track field governing body and Olympic committee is, in my opinion, on the same level if not worse, than East Germany's during the 70's and 80's. With regards to Ben Johnson being setup by the testing machine being primed with stanazol, are there any list members out there who can substantiate his claim that it is the only way that pure stanazol could have been found in his urine? Was pure stanazol found in his urine? -Ray Cook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R.T. Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport In the interests of full and fair disclosure, it should be pointed out that R.T., while being a frequent and sometimes brilliant poster to this List, is also a USA Track and Field Official. As such, one would expect a reflexive lack of support from him for a Canadian espousing the heretical viewpoint that the sport was not clean. Actually, I would NOT go so far as to say that whatever Francis says, the opposite is true. However, there is every motivation for Francis to twist the story so that he is viewed in the best possible light. He is NOT the first person I would go to if I would want to find out the truth. By the way, make that FORMER USA Track and Field Official. I have resigned, for reasons that have nothing to do with my love for the sport, and everything to do with the need to spend more time with family... I will expect some of you young whippersnappers who are 'right out of college' and yet to have much in the way of family obligations to get involved and take my place as an on-the- field official. RT
RE: t-and-f: Greene turns back on huge payday
Any thoughts on why ANYONE would turn their back on 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS for less than 10 seconds of work for doing something that you are the best in the world at? Does this seem odd to anyone else? --Original Message-- From: "Paul V. Tucknott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Track Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 5, 2000 3:04:46 AM GMT Subject: t-and-f: Greene turns back on huge payday http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_956000/956195.stm Olympic 100m champion Maurice Greene has turned down the chance to race for $500,000 in the Grand Prix final in Qatar on Thursday. The world record holder has taken the decision to fly back home to the United States from Sydney rather than compete in the final IAAF Grand Prix of the season. The $3.4m event has attracted 12 Olympic gold medallists from Sydney, including triple jump champion Jonathan Edwards and triple-Olympic medallist Marion Jones. Charlie Wells, manager of Jones, was particularly surprised by Greene's decision. He said: "You don't walk away from thousands of dollars like that. You can never get that money back." Overall record Greene has forfeited the chance to win $200,000 awarded to the athlete with the best overall record throughout all the major Grand Prix through the season. However, Jones is in no such predicament. She could be in line for an additional $50,000 if she were to win her re-match against Heike Drechsler and Fiona May in the long jump, both of whom pushed her into bronze in Sydney. Despite many of the athletes and officials arriving three hours late from a gruelling 21-hour flight from Sydney, Wells refused to criticise the timing of the schedules. He said: "If it requires us to travel 24 hours to put on a show, then that's what they pay us for." Entertain "It's part of our job. Our job is to entertain. It's a shame for the ones who miss it." Wells also confirmed Jones was enticed by the financial rewards of the Qatar meet. He added: "It's business, strictly business." The Khalifa Stadium stages only its third Grand Prix with women athletes after only allowing them to compete in 1998. With huge ground made by the IAAF and Qatar government, the Grand Prix has been elevated to stage the final meet of the season and will be watched by up to 50,000 spectators.
Re: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport....
Scepticism is always at the forefront of these types of artices/ interviews. Who are we to believe? What are we to believe? As a Canadian in this sport, it brings two things to mind. First, the shock and naivety of the North American people suggests there are still those of us who beleive, train and compete without these types of 'induced enhancers'. We are perhaps content with the level at which we presently compete, but we are 'clean' and will continue to profess this type of training for our track and feild athletes in clubs and univeristies. I would go so far as to suggest that the use of drugs or performance enhancing materials could define the otherwise ambiguous line between amateur and professional track and feild athletes. We are in a sport without massive television contracts or expansion teams, thus the levels of our sport could be defined by what is put into an athlete rather than what is put into a team. Furthermore, and again this is somewhat patriotic, if what Francis says is true then the efforts of Kevin Sullivan are even more astonishing. Pure, raw athleticism and fitness can get you to the big dance and can even get you to the 1100m mark in 2:36, but I guess to medal with a :54sec last lap instead of fifth with a :55sec last lap is the 'enhancing' difference. Or perhaps I am wrong. Anyways, a good read for Canadians nonetheless. Ryan Sullivan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Poor Sportsmanship at OG may cost endorsements for athletes
I, for one, am very glad that the American 4x100M relay team enjoyed themselves on their victory lap, especially if it hurt their "earning potential." True, it is not in the Olympic Spirit these days to make important decisions without your agent and accountant at hand, but their celebrating and grandstanding was thus even more clearly real elation at having won rather than shameless self-promotion. Contrast their "boorish" behavior with Dick Ebersol's proud boast that the Olympics are still the #1 television draw, and then think hard about who is really showing more of the proper Olympic Spirit... AGB
RE: t-and-f: Greene turns back on huge payday
Fatigue. Satisfaction. Homesickness. Expectations of large sponsorship contracts upon return home. - Jay On Wed, 04 October 2000, curtis taylor wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Paul V. Tucknott" [EMAIL PROTECTED], Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Track Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-Ip: 205.188.199.51 Received: from web621-wrb.mail.com (web621-wrb.mail.com [165.251.33.61]) by rmx460-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA07892; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:02:30 -0400 (EDT) from darkwing.uoregon.edu (128.223.142.13) by smtp.c004-mx000.c004.sfo.cp.net (209.228.13.216) with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 23:58:07 -0700 (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e9562Z025253 for t-and-f-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:02:35 -0700 (PDT) from rmx460-mta.mail.com (rmx460-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.47]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9562X925245 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:02:33 -0700 (PDT) from web621-wrb.mail.com (web621-wrb.mail.com [165.251.33.61]) by rmx460-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA07892; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 2393 X-Received: 5 Oct 2000 06:58:07 GMT Precedence: bulk Subject: RE: t-and-f: Greene turns back on huge payday From: curtis taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: curtis taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: mail.com Any thoughts on why ANYONE would turn their back on 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS for less than 10 seconds of work for doing something that you are the best in the world at? Does this seem odd to anyone else? --Original Message-- From: "Paul V. Tucknott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Track Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 5, 2000 3:04:46 AM GMT Subject: t-and-f: Greene turns back on huge payday http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_956000/956195.stm Olympic 100m champion Maurice Greene has turned down the chance to race for $500,000 in the Grand Prix final in Qatar on Thursday. The world record holder has taken the decision to fly back home to the United States from Sydney rather than compete in the final IAAF Grand Prix of the season. The $3.4m event has attracted 12 Olympic gold medallists from Sydney, including triple jump champion Jonathan Edwards and triple-Olympic medallist Marion Jones. Charlie Wells, manager of Jones, was particularly surprised by Greene's decision. He said: "You don't walk away from thousands of dollars like that. You can never get that money back." Overall record Greene has forfeited the chance to win $200,000 awarded to the athlete with the best overall record throughout all the major Grand Prix through the season. However, Jones is in no such predicament. She could be in line for an additional $50,000 if she were to win her re-match against Heike Drechsler and Fiona May in the long jump, both of whom pushed her into bronze in Sydney. Despite many of the athletes and officials arriving three hours late from a gruelling 21-hour flight from Sydney, Wells refused to criticise the timing of the schedules. He said: "If it requires us to travel 24 hours to put on a show, then that's what they pay us for." Entertain "It's part of our job. Our job is to entertain. It's a shame for the ones who miss it." Wells also confirmed Jones was enticed by the financial rewards of the Qatar meet. He added: "It's business, strictly business." The Khalifa Stadium stages only its third Grand Prix with women athletes after only allowing them to compete in 1998. With huge ground made by the IAAF and Qatar government, the Grand Prix has been elevated to stage the final meet of the season and will be watched by up to 50,000 spectators. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] is brought to you by the Stanford Alumni Association and Critical Path.
t-and-f: Question of the Day
"suppose" question of the day: True or not true, and why? "Letting your son or daughter train in an athletic program under a coach who has admitted participating in a systematic, planned, program of doping of his athletes in the past, is like taking your pre-schooler to a day care program run by a person who has served time for child molestation." RT
RE: t-and-f: Question of the Day
"suppose" question of the day: True or not true, and why? Who would you want your son or daughter intern with as a young journalist? Someone who looks for and reports the news or someone who has his head buried in the sand? malmo!TM "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?" -- Stephen Wright -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R.T. Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Question of the Day "suppose" question of the day: True or not true, and why? "Letting your son or daughter train in an athletic program under a coach who has admitted participating in a systematic, planned, program of doping of his athletes in the past, is like taking your pre-schooler to a day care program run by a person who has served time for child molestation." RT
t-and-f: David Mack Story
For those who care to follow the "ever worsening" story of David Mack, this was in the LA Times yesterday. Mack, of course, was a fantastic half-miler in the early 80's. http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20001004/t94420.html Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266
Re: t-and-f: U.S. 800m running
Actually the US had two contenders in the 1500 for women - Favor Hamilton and Jacobs .. Unfortunately Hamilton bombed in the final and Jacobs didn't run at the last minute .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "THOMAS,Graham" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:55 AM Subject: RE: t-and-f: U.S. 800m running In the last day or so, a news web-site (USA Today? LA Times?) posed the following question (or similar): "When was the last time the US track field team did not have ANY serious medal contenders (men or women) in an Olympic event longer than 400m?" Regards - GT - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack/index.html -Original Message- From: Jay Ulfelder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 21:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: U.S. 800m running When it comes to the 800m, the United States sure had a lousy Olympics. Only two semifinalists and one finalist on the women's side, and not a single man advanced past the opening round. Although there is less margin for error in the 800 than most other track events, this goes beyond bad luck. What's more, three of the top four U.S. women in the event almost certainly will not be around for another Olympics (Jearl, Joetta, and Meredith Valmon--who, by the way, ran a local road 10K this past Sunday in 43 min). Where would the U.S. be without the Clark family? And on the men's side, only Kenah has shown that he has the potential to break through to the 1:43 range that would keep him on the map. Why has the U.S. become so weak in this event? I think it's especially surprising on the men's side, where our total domination of the 400m suggests that we should be able to find a few guys who could move up to the new-style, "long sprint" version of the 800 with success. (I still wish we'd had a chance to see MJ seriously attempt it, even just once.) But it ain't happening. And with the women's 400 becoming so weak (read: opportunity for folks who want to compete in an easier event instead), the prospects seem even bleaker for the U.S. there. It's also surprising in light of the resurgence of 1500m runners among both men and women. We're doing better there than we have in a while, but with the exception of Regina, none of the athletes enjoying that success seems like a real threat over the shorter distance. Opinions? Theories? Thoughts? Here's mine, briefly: The 800 is a brutal event. It's physically miserable and tactically unforgiving. So, given a choice between sticking with the one-lap sprint, or staying with the better-known and more romantic mile, athletes will tend to gravitate away from the 800. And if U.S. depth is already lacking in one of these events, the athletes will move to fill that hole first. - Jay Ulfelder -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] is brought to you by the Stanford Alumni Association and Critical Path.
Re: t-and-f: Why Sully rules
I've never heard of Peter Pimm previously (that's a mouthful). No offense, but I can only hope his coaching is better than his logic... --- "Martin J. Dixon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An excerpt from Peter Pimm's latest newsletter is reprinted below. 1) Everyone in every country can participate relatively easily: this isn't a sport of means to the same extent as swimming, gymnastics, yachting) - this isn't a sport where facilities are nearly as necessary; No arguement there. 2) this is a historic sport with over a century of male participation (vs. triathlon, synchronized diving ); Historic or otherwise, it only takes one person to excel in order to set a trend. I think that was sort of the point of the article this was excerpted from? Did Kenya have half a century of international experience when Keino broke through? 3) This is a sport where many other nations (e.g., Morocco, Italy, Japan) have, for several years directed considerable money to its athletes, facilities and, just as importantly, to its coaches; Hmm, that certainly contradicts #1. 4) this is a sport which is for all intents and purposes, the national sport of other countries (Kenya, Ethiopia) and which greatly fosters extraordinary high participation levels, talent identification, and its subsequent development. And that contradicts reports that soccer is the craze in Kenya, with running being a distant second. These evolutionary factors are so formidable, it is my opinion that even real programs, such as Australia's, will require many years in my opinion before they can make up the competitive gap Strange definition of evolutionary. Economic might have been a better choice of word. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,500 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Doubles
How about Ralph Craig? Won both sprints in 1912, was on the yachting team in 1948 (no medal, though). Bill Allen
Re: t-and-f: David Mack Story
Makes Henry Thomas look like a choirboy! Mere breaking and entering and statutory rape as I recall. Tony Craddock At 10:47 AM 10/5/00 -0400, Bettwy, Bob wrote: For those who care to follow the ever worsening story of David Mack, this was in the LA Times yesterday. Mack, of course, was a fantastic half-miler in the early 80's. http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20001004/t94420.html Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266
Re: t-and-f: Odd doubles
Wasn't he the outfielder with the Angels that went up the cyclone fence in the outfield to catch a fly ball, caught his cleats in the fence, and suffered a hideous career-ending fracture of his lower leg? Or am I thinking of someone else? Tony Craddock At 08:48 AM 10/5/00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/4/00 7:54:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our best stories of transfer are of a HS baseball player at Fair Lawn who ran only one race in HS and another at South Side HS, Newark, who ran perhaps three or four. The Rippowam (Satmford CT) school record for the indoor 50 yd. is still held by NY Mets manager Bobby Valentine, set while winning the state title back in the late 60s/early 70s. Valentine did 4 sports (FB, basketball indoor track, and obvioulsy baseball) and was all-state in 3 of them. He was in fact offered a scholarship to USC as a running back, but chose baseball instead, and the rest, as they say, is history. Would have been interesting if he had opted for USC, he could have been another OJ (FB/track star, that is, not suspected killer). Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Why Sully Rules
4) this is a sport which is for all intents and purposes, the national sport of other countries (Kenya, Ethiopia) and which greatly fosters extraordinary high participation levels, talent identification, and its subsequent development. I'm not too knowledgeable about Ethiopia, but nothing could be further from the truth about Kenya. Running/X-C/Track and Field is at best the fouth or fifth most popular sport in Kenya, trailing soccer, boxing, cricket and even horse racing. MOST people on the street would not recognize Paul Tergat if he were standing next to them, and they most likely would not have heard of someone of the stature of , say, Tom Nyariki. /Drew
Re: t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON
7:45 pace for 31 miles is good? mike fanelli wrote: Lynn Nelson, 1988 Olympic Trials 10,00 meter champ (and Seoul Olympic finalist), an Oregon (via MN, AZ and CA) resident debuted at the 50 kilometer ultramarathon distance recently. The race director referred to her performance as "Trasonesque" (referring to Ann, the Bob Beamon of ultras??). Enjoy the attached story and results. -Mike Fanelli Subject: McKenzie River - Results We had a glorious day on the river, after a hard rain on Friday dampened the trail and riled up the yellow jackets. Craig Thornley battled fellow Eugenean Kevin Myers all morning, coming back from a two minute deficit halfway through to prevail by 5 minutes. Lynn Nelson, also of Eugene, put forth what I must call a 'Trasonesque' effort as she took 45 minutes off the women's course record! She blew by some pretty classy ultrarunners in John Robinson and Steve Smucker, leaving them to wonder how they got beat by a woman "in Oregon!" This lady is for real. If she can stay healthy, there is no limit to where her national class track speed could take her in the ultra world. This event concluded the state's first ultra trail series, and interest in trail racing has never been higher in Oregon. The popularity of the 50K distance has brought out a lot of new faces, and with all the young people flocking to these events, the health of the sport here is at an all time high. Phil Vaughn (RD) 01 Craig Thornley 36 3:54:40 02 Kevin Myers403:59:34 03 LynnNelson 384:01:14 04 JohnRobinson 34 4:02:47 05 Steve Smucker 46 4:02:53 06 JohnPearch 27 4:06:43 07 Justin Soares 21 4:08:53 08 DaveMcJunkin554:12:27 09 AndyDale 31 4:12:41 10 Scott Diamond 39 4:16:14 11 CurtRingstad 48 4:32:19 12 Dante Biancucci 29 4:35:50 13 JeffPhillips 28 4:37:55 14 Susan Fox 32 4:38:52 15Clem LaCava 514:38:58 16 Steve Petersen 46 4:41:48 17 Carmen Ripley 30 4:44:32 18 MikeHendrickson 37 4:46:20 19 Sylvia Dion28 4:49:14 20 GeneSkinner 44 4:49:30 21 MarcAdams 32 4:49:30 22 Rod Beckner 35 4:50:53 23 MarkWarner 41 4:51:35 24 GregWheeler 544:52:03 25 Michael Christiansen 35 4:53:40 26 Linda Samet 34 4:54:11 27 LisaHusaby 37 4:58:48 28 Marcus Mayfield 44 5:01:39 29 Kelly Woodke 33 5:02:01 30 Laurie Cullen 36 5:02:39 31 JodiKartes 30 5:03:48 32 Steve Loitz 44 5:07:44 33 Scott Martin 28 5:08:54 34 David Lygre 58 5:08;54 35 Kelly Strome 36 5:10:14 36 Stephan Willow 32 5:11:13 37 Clayton Gillette 445:11:37 38 DaveChase 52 5:15:00 39 MarkKalen 36 5:15:45 40 Ken Ward43 5:16:33 41 Colin Loader 37 5:18:07 42 Jan Liebeskind 395:18:33 43 David Brewer 48 5:19:02 44 Ted Heid56 5:25:19 45 KirkHendrickson 46 5:26:28 46 MarkSchofer 40 5:26:51 47 Steve Varga 47 5:28:57 48 Bob Lynes 62 5:30:48 49 David Bateham 40 5:32:29 50 James Ridlington 55 5:33:46 51 Jon Gnass 45 5:38:37 52 Melissa Berman 47 5:38:40 53 Rebecca Wallick 42 5:38:40 54 JodyScheffelmaier 52 5:40:04 55 Aubrey Robbins 22 5:42:03 56 BillRobbins 64 5:42:22 57 JeffMikesell 395:44:22 58 Ben Benjamin 535:45:01 59 Diane Jones 41 5:45:43 60 Laura Cesar 23 5:48:17 61 Jeral Godfrey 57 5:55:33 62 SeanHarrasser 33 5:58:05 63 Barbara Ringstad 44 6:00:18 64 Ronda Sundermeier 326:03:23 65 Karen Gnass 38 6:04:16 66 Stacey Bunton 36 6:05:29 67 Marlis DeJongh 48 6:08:12 68 Jenny Cruickshank 30 6:13:20 69 Joanne Bernt 45 6:16:16 70 Joanne Richter 46 6:16:16 71 Melanie Johnson 45 6:20:33 72 Kathy Cafazzo 47 6:35:07 73 Jon Tressler 53 6:36:16 74 Thomas Alexander 61 6:41:18 75 Corriedawn Greiling 31 6:59:58 76 David Elsbernd 46 6:59:58 77 Bob Ross57 7:08:02 78 DanaPrice 34 7:09:41 79 Joanne Ross60 7:58:04
Re: t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON
The 7:45 pace would not be good on roads but this race ran on trails. I have run them and they are not fast. So yes that pace is good. More useful is the place in the results. Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club -- From: "Ryan Grote" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Joe Rubio" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "mike fanelli" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 4:21 PM Nothing for 31 miles could be deemed good. Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: Joe Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mike fanelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON 7:45 pace for 31 miles is good? mike fanelli wrote: Lynn Nelson, 1988 Olympic Trials 10,00 meter champ (and Seoul Olympic finalist), an Oregon (via MN, AZ and CA) resident debuted at the 50 kilometer ultramarathon distance recently. The race director referred to her performance as "Trasonesque" (referring to Ann, the Bob Beamon of ultras??). Enjoy the attached story and results. -Mike Fanelli Subject: McKenzie River - Results We had a glorious day on the river, after a hard rain on Friday dampened the trail and riled up the yellow jackets. Craig Thornley battled fellow Eugenean Kevin Myers all morning, coming back from a two minute deficit halfway through to prevail by 5 minutes. Lynn Nelson, also of Eugene, put forth what I must call a 'Trasonesque' effort as she took 45 minutes off the women's course record! She blew by some pretty classy ultrarunners in John Robinson and Steve Smucker, leaving them to wonder how they got beat by a woman "in Oregon!" This lady is for real. If she can stay healthy, there is no limit to where her national class track speed could take her in the ultra world. This event concluded the state's first ultra trail series, and interest in trail racing has never been higher in Oregon. The popularity of the 50K distance has brought out a lot of new faces, and with all the young people flocking to these events, the health of the sport here is at an all time high. Phil Vaughn (RD) 01 Craig Thornley 36 3:54:40 02 Kevin Myers403:59:34 03 LynnNelson 384:01:14 04 JohnRobinson 34 4:02:47 05 Steve Smucker 46 4:02:53 06 JohnPearch 27 4:06:43 07 Justin Soares 21 4:08:53 08 DaveMcJunkin554:12:27 09 AndyDale 31 4:12:41 10 Scott Diamond 39 4:16:14 11 CurtRingstad 48 4:32:19 12 Dante Biancucci 29 4:35:50 13 JeffPhillips 28 4:37:55 14 Susan Fox 32 4:38:52 15Clem LaCava 514:38:58 16 Steve Petersen 46 4:41:48 17 Carmen Ripley 30 4:44:32 18 MikeHendrickson 37 4:46:20 19 Sylvia Dion28 4:49:14 20 GeneSkinner 44 4:49:30 21 MarcAdams 32 4:49:30 22 Rod Beckner 35 4:50:53 23 MarkWarner 41 4:51:35 24 GregWheeler 544:52:03 25 Michael Christiansen 35 4:53:40 26 Linda Samet 34 4:54:11 27 LisaHusaby 37 4:58:48 28 Marcus Mayfield 44 5:01:39 29 Kelly Woodke 33 5:02:01 30 Laurie Cullen 36 5:02:39 31 JodiKartes 30 5:03:48 32 Steve Loitz 44 5:07:44 33 Scott Martin 28 5:08:54 34 David Lygre 58 5:08;54 35 Kelly Strome 36 5:10:14 36 Stephan Willow 32 5:11:13 37 Clayton Gillette 445:11:37 38 DaveChase 52 5:15:00 39 MarkKalen 36 5:15:45 40 Ken Ward43 5:16:33 41 Colin Loader 37 5:18:07 42 Jan Liebeskind 395:18:33 43 David Brewer 48 5:19:02 44 Ted Heid56 5:25:19 45 KirkHendrickson 46 5:26:28 46 MarkSchofer 40 5:26:51 47 Steve Varga 47 5:28:57 48 Bob Lynes 62 5:30:48 49 David Bateham 40 5:32:29 50 James Ridlington 55 5:33:46 51 Jon Gnass 45 5:38:37 52 Melissa Berman 47 5:38:40 53 Rebecca Wallick 42 5:38:40 54 JodyScheffelmaier 52 5:40:04 55 Aubrey Robbins 22 5:42:03 56 BillRobbins 64 5:42:22 57 JeffMikesell 395:44:22 58 Ben Benjamin 535:45:01 59 Diane Jones 41 5:45:43 60 Laura Cesar 23 5:48:17 61 Jeral Godfrey 57 5:55:33 62 SeanHarrasser 33 5:58:05 63 Barbara Ringstad 44 6:00:18 64
t-and-f: grand prix query
Can anyone answer a few questions for me about this year's Grand Prix? 1. Hattestad won 200K for winning the women's rankings. Behind her, Jones and Devers had the same number of points (104) but Jones received more money because of a tiebreaking system. What was that system? 2. Were there payouts beyond Jones and Devers in the women's rankings? If so, how much? 3. Winners of each event received 50K. Did the other placewinners receive prize money? 4. To anyone's knowledge, was appearance money also paid to some athletes? 5. The point winners of each event also received 100K. Were there also payouts to finishers below 1st place, and if so, how much? I checked the IAAF website, but could not find answers to any of these questions. Jack Pfeifer NYC
Re: t-and-f: Why Sully Rules
In a message dated 10/5/00 2:40:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not too knowledgeable about Ethiopia, but nothing could be further from the truth about Kenya. Running/X-C/Track and Field is at best the fouth or fifth most popular sport in Kenya, trailing soccer, boxing, cricket and even horse racing. MOST people on the street would not recognize Paul Tergat if he were standing next to them, and they most likely would not have heard of someone of the stature of , say, Tom Nyariki. /Drew Drew is absolutely right. Football (soccer) is number one in Kenya. Give a Kenyan runner some free time and a soccer ball and you've got yourself a happy guy. The other sports mentioned are also up there. In fact, pick up a copy of the Standard or a similar publication and you're as likely to find a golf story headlining the sports section as you are to finding an athletics story. Bruce Meyer KUKIMBIA Chicago
t-and-f: Kangaroos in the Outback?
I'm deleting a bunch of e-mail, some with URLs included. Recall, if you will: Tim Layden, "Ten Questions: Things to Look For During Track Competition." CNN/Sports Illustrated, September 21, 2000. 4. Is there going to be a U.S men's 4x100 relay controversy? Do kangaroos live in the Outback? Chris Kuykendall Austin, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Why Sully Rules
As a Kenyan I can confirm that most people in Kenya would not recognize Tergat but you would be suprised how many people would notice Patrick Njiru( A local safari rally driver) Eric kamau Go cougs On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/5/00 2:40:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not too knowledgeable about Ethiopia, but nothing could be further from the truth about Kenya. Running/X-C/Track and Field is at best the fouth or fifth most popular sport in Kenya, trailing soccer, boxing, cricket and even horse racing. MOST people on the street would not recognize Paul Tergat if he were standing next to them, and they most likely would not have heard of someone of the stature of , say, Tom Nyariki. /Drew Drew is absolutely right. Football (soccer) is number one in Kenya. Give a Kenyan runner some free time and a soccer ball and you've got yourself a happy guy. The other sports mentioned are also up there. In fact, pick up a copy of the Standard or a similar publication and you're as likely to find a golf story headlining the sports section as you are to finding an athletics story. Bruce Meyer KUKIMBIA Chicago
t-and-f: IAAF GP Final Standings
OVERALL GRAND PRIX STANDINGS MeetsPts 1 Taylor AngeloUSA 8 101.0 2 Belonog YuriyUKR 8 94.0 3 Nelson Adam USA 7 93.0 4 Hysong Nick USA 8 86.5 5 Lagat BernardKEN 7 78.0 6 Lobinger Tim GER 8 77.5 7 Greene Maurice USA 8 77.0 7 Thomas Eric USA 8 77.0 9 Kipkosgei Luke KEN 8 75.0 9 Matete SamuelZAM 8 75.0 11 Saïdi-Sief Ali ALG 5 74.0 11 Herbert LlewellynRSA 6 74.0 11 Voronin Vyacheslav RUS 6 74.0 11 Brits Okkert RSA 8 74.0 15 El Guerrouj Hicham MAR 7 73.0 16 Lewis Brian USA 8 72.5 17 Kipketer Sammy KEN 7 72.0 18 Boldon Ato TRI 8 71.5 19 Tarasov Maksim RUS 8 71.0 20 Montgomery Tim USA 7 70.0 21 Al-Somaily Hadi Soua'an KSA 7 69.0 21 Boateng KwakuCAN 8 69.0 21 Menc MiroslavCZE 8 69.0 24 Ngeny Noah KEN 5 66.0 24 Campbell Darren GBR 7 66.0 26 Klyugin Sergey RUS 8 65.0 27 Strand Staffan SWE 8 64.5 28 Hunter Cottrell J. USA 7 64.0 29 Bloom Andy USA 7 63.0 30 Leeper NathanUSA 7 62.5 30 Hartwig Jeff USA 8 62.5 32 Buder Oliver-SvenGER 8 62.0 33 Komen Daniel KEN 6 60.0 33 Lahlafi Brahim MAR 6 60.0 35 Chirchir William KEN 6 58.0 35 Murofushi Koji JPN 6 58.0 37 Edwards Jonathan GBR 4 57.0 37 Godina John USA 5 57.0 37 Lambrechts BurgerRSA 8 57.0 40 Topic Dragutin YUG 6 56.0 40 Kipkurui BenjaminKEN 7 56.0 40 Nunes de Araújo Eronilde BRA 7 56.0 40 Shabunin Vyacheslav RUS 7 56.0 44 Richardson Mark GBR 4 54.0 44 Sullivan Kevin CAN 5 54.0 44 Gécsek Tibor HUN 7 54.0 47 Dimitrov Rostislav BUL 4 52.0 47 Saddler Gregory USA 5 52.0 47 Achike Onochie GBR 6 52.0 47 Austin Charles USA 7 52.0 GRAND PRIX STANDINGS WOMEN 1 Solberg-Hattestad Trine NOR 7 110.0 2 Devers Gail USA 8 104.0 2 Jones Marion USA 8 104.0 4 Beclea-Szekely Violeta ROM 8 94.0 5 Alozie Glory NGR 8 91.0 6 Menéndez OsleidysCUB 8 90.0 7 Shikolenko Tatyana RUS 8 88.0 8 May FionaITA 8 83.0 9 Dulecha KutreETH 6 81.0 9 Ennis-London Delloreen JAM 8 81.0 11 Gaines Chryste USA 8 78.0 12 Fynes Sevatheda BAH 8 76.5 13 Kotova Tatyana RUS 6 75.0 13 Burrell Dawn USA 8 75.0 15 Daute-Drechsler HeikeGER 6 73.0 15 Graham Lorraine JAM 7 73.0 17 Johansson Erica SWE 8 71.0 17 Morrison Melissa USA 8 71.0 19 Tarnopolskaya-Pintus Zhanna UKR 7 70.5 20 Chojecka Lidia POL 5 68.0 21 Freeman Michelle JAM 8 67.0 22 Montalvo Niurka ESP 7 65.0 23 Ferguson Debbie BAH 8 64.0 24 Sturrup Chandra BAH 8 63.5 25 Ogunkoya Falilat NGR 7 63.0 26 Bisset Sonia CUB 6 60.0 26
t-and-f: Scientific Facts for Suzy
This was passed on to me from Coach Jim Hunt, All American Long Distance Running Coach -- From "Dr. Hunt!" Bill, you asked for it. Suzy Favor Hamilton collapsed in the finals of the Olympic 1500 due to complete glycogen depletion. Suzy does not possess the basic speed that some of the other competitors possess. In order to run as fast as she was attempting to do, she had to run at a velocity that was too high of a percentage of her basic performance speed for too long. The glycogen demanded by her muscles to do the work that the brain was commanding of them was completely depleted. As to the dehydration effect, it takes 4 lb. of water to produce 1 lb. of glycogen. Oxygen must mix with glycogen in order to produce energy. Glycogen is stored in the liver, muscle cells and blood stream and must receive oxygen in the amount demanded by the working muscles to continue to work at a desired level. When stored glycogen is depleted, the body will attempt to make more. The process of making glycogen requires a large quantity of water which would lead to further dehydration. In addition to the depletion of fluid, her body could not deliver sufficient oxygen to produce the muscular contractions that her central nervous system was commanding. Suzy could not extract enough oxygen from the air and deliver it to the working muscles in the amount necessary to be able to continue with the high rate of velocity that she needed to run. In Suzy's attempt to run for 4:00 at a velocity of 6.25 meters per second, complicated by the lack of body fluids, her heart rate soared to a new maximum causing her body temperature to rise to possibly as high as 105 degrees-106 degrees. Her body's cooling system was not prepared to dissipate this much heat. This high temperature coupled with the panic of seeing her competitors fly by her caused her body to go into traumatic shock. Traumatic shock causes the large arteries to expand, literally robbing the working muscles and the brain of oxygen carrying blood. When traumatic shock occurs, the mechanisms causes the body to go into a prone position in an attempt to restore oxygen to the brain. Once in a prone position, enough oxygen returned to her brain for her to muster the energy to stand up. Her tremendous desire to win had programmed her body to move forward to the finish line. When Suzy reached the finish line the energy again was completely depleted. At this point, her body's protective mechanisms caused her to collapse again into a prone position. After several minutes of intravenous fluids, electrolyte restoration she was able to quietly leave through the back door without any further assistance. This traumatic experience will most likely make it extremely difficult for Suzy to ever push her body hard enough again to get close to world record time. Her central nervous system will never forget the torture that her body went through and the protective organisms of her body will resist any attempt to duplicate this act in the future. Alberto Salazar was an exceptionally determined athlete who could withstand severe pain for long periods of time. He was able to force his body to work to near death in two separate marathons before his body said "no more, Al." Good luck Suzy. We all appreciate what you have done for track and field. "makes sense to me!" Bill "maddog" Scobey
t-and-f: IAAF GP Final Results
IAAF Grand Prix Final Doha, 05-Oct-2000 RESULTS MEN GP 100 METRES - MEN Wind: Pts 1 Campbell Darren GBR 10.25 24.0 2 Montgomery Tim USA 10.27 21.0 3 Saddler Gregory USA 10.41 18.0 4 Miller Coby USA 10.52 15.0 5 Lewis Brian USA 10.52 12.0 6 Patros David FRA 10.53 GP 400 METRES - MEN Pts 1 Richardson Mark GBR 45.20 24.0 2 Parrela Sanderlei Claro BRA 45.25 21.0 3 Pettigrew AntonioUSA 45.37 18.0 4 Young Jerome USA 45.38 15.0 5 Haughton Gregory JAM 45.85 12.0 6 McCray Danny USA 46.82 9.0 7 Al Imam AhmedQAT 49.37 8 Othmane Issa QAT 49.78 GP 1500 METRES - MEN Pts 1 Ngeny Noah KEN3:36.62 24.0 2 Lagat BernardKEN3:36.88 21.0 3 Sullivan Kevin CAN3:37.16 18.0 4 Kipkurui BenjaminKEN3:37.38 15.0 5 Shabunin Vyacheslav RUS3:38.42 12.0 6 Maazouzi Driss FRA3:41.16 9.0 7 Rotich Laban KEN3:43.02 6.0 8 Mayock John GBR3:43.70 3.0 Baba Youssef MARDNS GP 3000 METRES - MEN Pts 1 Kipkosgei Luke KEN7:46.21 24.0 2 Saïdi-Sief Ali ALG7:47.16 21.0 3 Kipketer Sammy KEN7:47.31 18.0 4 Sghyr Ismaïl FRA7:47.49 15.0 5 Komen Daniel KEN7:47.79 12.0 6 Lahlafi Brahim MAR7:47.83 9.0 7 Koskei James KEN7:58.10 6.0 8 Nizigama Aloÿs BUR7:59.98 3.0 9 Abdou Adam QAT8:37.01 10 Moussa Houcine QAT8:47.25 GP 400 METRES HURDLES - MEN Pts 1 Taylor AngeloUSA 48.14 24.0 2 Al-Somaily Hadi Soua'an KSA 48.18 21.0 3 Matete SamuelZAM 48.71 18.0 4 Herbert LlewellynRSA 49.05 15.0 5 Januszewski PawelPOL 49.88 12.0 6 Rawlinson ChristopherGBR 50.53 9.0 7 Nunes de Araújo Eronilde BRA 51.32 6.0 8 Thomas Eric USA 55.91 3.0 GP HIGH JUMP - MEN Pts 1 Voronin Vyacheslav RUS 2.32 24.0 2 Leeper NathanUSA 2.30 21.0 3 Topic Dragutin YUG 2.25 18.0 4 Strand Staffan SWE 2.25 15.0 5 Klyugin Sergey RUS 2.20 12.0 6 Boateng KwakuCAN 2.15 9.0 7 Austin Charles USA 2.15 6.0 GP POLE VAULT - MEN Pts 1 Lobinger Tim GER 5.70 24.0 2 Hysong Nick USA 5.60 21.0 3 Brits Okkert RSA 5.60 18.0 4 Hartwig Jeff USA 5.40 15.0 5 Stolle Michael GER 5.40 12.0 Markov Dmitriy AUS NM Tarasov Maksim RUS NM GP TRIPLE JUMP - MEN Pts Wind 1 Edwards Jonathan GBR 17.12 24.0 2 Dimitrov Rostislav BUL 17.11 21.0 3 Achike Onochie GBR 16.49 18.0 4 Hanstveit Ketill NOR 16.24 15.0 5 Carter LaMarkUSA 15.80 12.0 6 Friedek Charles Michael GER 15.79 9.0 GP SHOT PUT - MEN Pts 1 Bloom Andy USA 21.82 24.0 2 Nelson Adam USA 21.66 21.0 3 Godina John USA 21.51 18.0 4 Belonog YuriyUKR 20.76 15.0 5 Buder Oliver-Sven
Re: t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON
7:45 pace for 31 miles is good? That pace would not even make the US 50km Race Walk team, and it is supposed to be an excellent run? This should shed some light on the ability of RWers worldwide. MJR
t-and-f: American Legal System
http://www.newsobserver.com/thursday/sports/Story/231288p-223537c.html For all of the dolts who confuse the terms LEGAL STRATEGY with LEGAL PRECEDENCE in an attempt ot bolster an untenable position, follow the link. This is how our (US) open legal system works. malmo!TM 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? -- Stephen Wright
Re: t-and-f: Scientific Facts for Suzy
In a message dated 10/5/00 8:56:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was passed on to me from Coach Jim Hunt, All American Long Distance Running Coach -- From "Dr. Hunt!" Bill, you asked for it. Suzy Favor Hamilton collapsed in the finals of the Olympic 1500 due to complete glycogen depletion. Suzy does not possess the basic speed that some of the other competitors possess. In order to run as fast as she was attempting to do, she had to run at a velocity that was too high of a percentage of her basic performance speed for too long. The glycogen demanded by her muscles to do the work that the brain was commanding of them was completely depleted. As to the dehydration effect, it takes 4 lb. of water to produce 1 lb. of glycogen. Oxygen must mix with glycogen in order to produce energy. Glycogen is stored in the liver, muscle cells and blood stream and must receive oxygen in the amount demanded by the working muscles to continue to work at a desired level. When stored glycogen is depleted, the body will attempt to make more. The process of making glycogen requires a large quantity of water which would lead to further dehydration. In addition to the depletion of fluid, her body could not deliver sufficient oxygen to produce the muscular contractions that her central nervous system was commanding. Suzy could not extract enough oxygen from the air and deliver it to the working muscles in the amount necessary to be able to continue with the high rate of velocity that she needed to run. In Suzy's attempt to run for 4:00 at a velocity of 6.25 meters per second, complicated by the lack of body fluids, her heart rate soared to a new maximum causing her body temperature to rise to possibly as high as 105 degrees-106 degrees. Her body's cooling system was not prepared to dissipate this much heat. This high temperature coupled with the panic of seeing her competitors fly by her caused her body to go into traumatic shock. Traumatic shock causes the large arteries to expand, literally robbing the working muscles and the brain of oxygen carrying blood. When traumatic shock occurs, the mechanisms causes the body to go into a prone position in an attempt to restore oxygen to the brain. Once in a prone position, enough oxygen returned to her brain for her to muster the energy to stand up. Her tremendous desire to win had programmed her body to move forward to the finish line. When Suzy reached the finish line the energy again was completely depleted. At this point, her body's protective mechanisms caused her to collapse again into a prone position. After several minutes of intravenous fluids, electrolyte restoration she was able to quietly leave through the back door without any further assistance. This traumatic experience will most likely make it extremely difficult for Suzy to ever push her body hard enough again to get close to world record time. Her central nervous system will never forget the torture that her body went through and the protective organisms of her body will resist any attempt to duplicate this act in the future. Alberto Salazar was an exceptionally determined athlete who could withstand severe pain for long periods of time. He was able to force his body to work to near death in two separate marathons before his body said " no more, Al." Good luck Suzy. We all appreciate what you have done for track and field. "makes sense to me!" Bill "maddog" Scobey Good gosh, there is no shame in losing a race. Why all the explanations and double talk. Fancy explanations will only tarnish her image. She got passed, threw in the towel, and went down. Mike Platt
Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy
Let's see, Suzy lost because: 1. Complete depletion of glycogen 2. Dehydration 3. Heart rate soared to unspecified record levels 4. Body temperature soared to 105 or 106 degrees 5. Panic 6. Traumatic shock 7. Vascular collapse 8. Lack of oxygen Anything else? A massive heart attack maybe? A sudden case of fulminant cancer? One of her legs fall off? Maybe her central nervous system went into total protective mode and ordered immediate and permanent paraplegia. But not to worry. Suzy's not in any kind of real trouble. Her newly vigilant central nervous system has it under control and will prevent her from ever running very fast again. I don't know who Jim Hunt is, but he's wasting his time being a running coach. He should be teaching at a major medical school. Anyone who can diagnose no fewer than eight ailments merely from watching someone fall down is blessed with amazing medical powers. Kurt Bray This was passed on to me from Coach Jim Hunt, All American Long Distance Running Coach -- From "Dr. Hunt!" Bill, you asked for it. Suzy Favor Hamilton collapsed in the finals of the Olympic 1500 due to complete glycogen depletion. Suzy does not possess the basic speed that some of the other competitors possess. In order to run as fast as she was attempting to do, she had to run at a velocity that was too high of a percentage of her basic performance speed for too long. The glycogen demanded by her muscles to do the work that the brain was commanding of them was completely depleted. As to the dehydration effect, it takes 4 lb. of water to produce 1 lb. of glycogen. Oxygen must mix with glycogen in order to produce energy. Glycogen is stored in the liver, muscle cells and blood stream and must receive oxygen in the amount demanded by the working muscles to continue to work at a desired level. When stored glycogen is depleted, the body will attempt to make more. The process of making glycogen requires a large quantity of water which would lead to further dehydration. In addition to the depletion of fluid, her body could not deliver sufficient oxygen to produce the muscular contractions that her central nervous system was commanding. Suzy could not extract enough oxygen from the air and deliver it to the working muscles in the amount necessary to be able to continue with the high rate of velocity that she needed to run. In Suzy's attempt to run for 4:00 at a velocity of 6.25 meters per second, complicated by the lack of body fluids, her heart rate soared to a new maximum causing her body temperature to rise to possibly as high as 105 degrees-106 degrees. Her body's cooling system was not prepared to dissipate this much heat. This high temperature coupled with the panic of seeing her competitors fly by her caused her body to go into traumatic shock. Traumatic shock causes the large arteries to expand, literally robbing the working muscles and the brain of oxygen carrying blood. When traumatic shock occurs, the mechanisms causes the body to go into a prone position in an attempt to restore oxygen to the brain. Once in a prone position, enough oxygen returned to her brain for her to muster the energy to stand up. Her tremendous desire to win had programmed her body to move forward to the finish line. When Suzy reached the finish line the energy again was completely depleted. At this point, her body's protective mechanisms caused her to collapse again into a prone position. After several minutes of intravenous fluids, electrolyte restoration she was able to quietly leave through the back door without any further assistance. This traumatic experience will most likely make it extremely difficult for Suzy to ever push her body hard enough again to get close to world record time. Her central nervous system will never forget the torture that her body went through and the protective organisms of her body will resist any attempt to duplicate this act in the future. Alberto Salazar was an exceptionally determined athlete who could withstand severe pain for long periods of time. He was able to force his body to work to near death in two separate marathons before his body said "no more, Al." Good luck Suzy. We all appreciate what you have done for track and field. "makes sense to me!" Bill "maddog" Scobey _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Comment from list member
Netters i just arrived home horrified that my post was forwarded to the list. Not because of what I said or how but rather that the infantile mind had to resort to that after harassing me for the last several weeks. My reaction, directly to him, was the culmination of weeks of frustration where "mantis" and some other goof ball continued to there nonsense despite several attempts to dissuade them through reasoned explanations. At times, when a harasser, who has been merciless refuses to change his actions, severe consequences are needed to stop that individuals actions. Mr. "Mantis" began a fight that he could not or would not be able to commit himself to in its entirety. His willful ignorance does not excuse his actions or grant him mercy. His forwarding of my message was his pathetic attempt to seek refuge in the crowd of numbers and relieve him of hi obligation to what he started. My comment was neither threat or promise, just mere warning. Maybe now he will heed it and leave me be. Good Training, Michael Rohl
t-and-f: Fwd: [OZTRACK] IAAF Grand Prix Final Doha Results
In a message dated 10/5/00 6:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [OZTRACK] IAAF Grand Prix Final Doha Date: 10/5/00 6:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Masselos) To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Official Result Men - HAMMER THROW PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Skvaruk Andrey UKR 81.43 (SB)24 2 Murofushi Koji JPN 80.32 21 3 Kobs KarstenGER 79.22 18 4 Németh ZsoltHUN 78.67 15 5 Weis Heinz GER 77.97 12 6 Gécsek TiborHUN 77.82 9 7 Deal Lance USA 77.47 6 8 Maška Vladimir CZE 76.91 3 Official Result Men - POLE VAULT PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Lobinger TimGER 5.7024 2 Hysong Nick USA 5.6021 3 Brits OkkertRSA 5.6018 4 Hartwig JeffUSA 5.4015 5 Stolle Michael GER 5.4012 Tarasov Maksim RUS NM Markov Dmitriy AUS NM Official Result Men - HIGH JUMP PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Voronin Vyacheslav RUS 2.3224 2 Leeper Nathan USA 2.3021 3 Topic Dragutin YUG 2.2518 4 Strand Staffan SWE 2.2515 5 Klyugin Sergey RUS 2.2012 6 Boateng Kwaku CAN 2.159 7 Austin Charles USA 2.156 Official Result Men - 400 METRES HURDLES PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Taylor Angelo USA 48.14 24 2 Al-Somaily Hadi Soua'an KSA 48.18 21 3 Matete Samuel ZAM 48.71 18 4 Herbert Llewellyn RSA 49.05 15 5 Januszewski Pawel POL 49.88 12 6 Rawlinson Christopher GBR 50.53 9 7 Nunes de Araújo EronildeBRA 51.32 6 8 Thomas Eric USA 55.91 3 Official Result Men - 400 METRES PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Richardson Mark GBR 45.20 24 2 Parrela Sanderlei Claro BRA 45.25 21 3 Pettigrew Antonio USA 45.37 18 4 Young JeromeUSA 45.38 15 5 Haughton GregoryJAM 45.85 12 6 McCray DannyUSA 46.82 9 7 Al Imam Ahmed QAT 49.37 8 Othmane IssaQAT 49.78 Official Result Men - SHOT PUT PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Bloom Andy USA 21.82 (CR)24 2 Nelson Adam USA 21.66 21 3 Godina John USA 21.51 (SB)18 4 Belonog Yuriy UKR 20.76 15 5 Buder Oliver-Sven GER 19.77 12 6 Menc Miroslav CZE 19.66 9 7 Lambrechts Burger RSA 19.46 6 8 Konopka Mikuláš SVK 18.98 3 Official Result Men - 3000 METRES PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Kipkosgei Luke KEN 7:46.21 24 2 Saïdi-Sief Ali ALG 7:47.16 21 3 Kipketer Sammy KEN 7:47.31 18 4 Sghyr IsmaïlFRA 7:47.49 15 5 Komen DanielKEN 7:47.79 12 6 Lahlafi Brahim MAR 7:47.83 9 7 Koskei JamesKEN 7:58.10 6 8 Nizigama Aloÿs BUR 7:59.98 3 9 Abdou Adam QAT 8:37.01 10 Moussa Houcine QAT 8:47.25 Official Result Men - TRIPLE JUMP PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Edwards JonathanGBR 17.12 24 2 Dimitrov Rostislav BUL 17.11 21 3 Achike Onochie GBR 16.49 18 4 Hanstveit KetillNOR 16.24 15 5 Carter LaMark USA 15.80 12 6 Friedek Charles Michael GER 15.79 9 Official Result Men - 100 METRES Wind:+0.5m/s PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Campbell Darren GBR 10.25 24 2 Montgomery Tim USA 10.27 21 3 Saddler Gregory USA 10.41 18 4 Miller Coby USA 10.52 15 5 Lewis Brian USA 10.52 12 6 Patros DavidFRA 10.53 Official Result Men - 1500 METRES PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Ngeny Noah KEN 3:36.62 24 2 Lagat Bernard KEN 3:36.88 21 3 Sullivan Kevin CAN 3:37.16 18 4 Kipkurui Benjamin KEN 3:37.38 15 5 Shabunin Vyacheslav RUS 3:38.42 12 6 Maazouzi Driss FRA 3:41.16 9 7 Rotich LabanKEN 3:43.02 6 8 Mayock John GBR 3:43.70 3 Baba YoussefMAR DNS Official Result Women - LONG JUMP PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Daute-Drechsler Heike GER 7.0724 2 Burrell DawnUSA 6.9921 3 Montalvo Niurka ESP 6.87(SB)18 4 May Fiona ITA 6.7215 5 Kotova Tatyana RUS 6.7012 6 Johansson Erica SWE 6.699 Official Result Women - DISCUS THROW PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Dietzsch Franka GER 65.41 24 2 Zvereva Ellina BLR 63.96 21 3 Faumuina Beatrice NZL 63.03 18 4 Grasu Nicoleta ROM 62.39 15 5 Vizaniari Lisa-MarieAUS 62.32 12 6 Lever AlisonAUS 59.92 9 7 Powell Suzanne USA 59.70 6 8 Gündler-Mollenbeck Anja GER 57.55 3 Official Result Women - 100 METRES Wind:+1.6m/s PosAthlete Nat MarkRecords Pts 1 Jones MarionUSA
Re: t-and-f: u.s. women
Netters What happened? They were sick - just about anyone who had a bad race was simply just sick. As in ill, as in the flu. They got sick. It sucks and it happens. Good Training, Michael Rohl
Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy
WHOA Kurt While I may not be in complete agreement with Jim Hunt's take on the Suzy factor, please know that Jim is one of the most reputable distance coaches ever in the USA...In his many years as head coach at Humboldt State University and also at UC Davis, Jim has been responsible for the fitness of many many a champion...including 1988 Olympic Trials winner Mark Conover (remember, Danny Grimes, Suzy Jones, Mark Covert, Gary Tuttle...) At the track trials in Sacto this past summer we staged a coach's clinic with the likes of Hunt, Frank Gagliano, Joe Vigil, Bob Sevene, Lance Harter and Irv Ray...quite an impressive bunch...some of the absolute BEST commentary from that clinic came from Jim...before we totally dismiss Jim's theory as to the demise of Suzy, let's make sure that we understand that he is NOT not some old dude smoking crack on a street corner in Biloxi...he truly "gets" exercise phys and it's practical application to the middle and long distance running athlete. best always, Mike Fanelli (who in his days as an "athlete" got whupped on pretty badly by Hunt's boys) - Original Message - From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy Let's see, Suzy lost because: 1. Complete depletion of glycogen 2. Dehydration 3. Heart rate soared to unspecified record levels 4. Body temperature soared to 105 or 106 degrees 5. Panic 6. Traumatic shock 7. Vascular collapse 8. Lack of oxygen Anything else? A massive heart attack maybe? A sudden case of fulminant cancer? One of her legs fall off? Maybe her central nervous system went into total protective mode and ordered immediate and permanent paraplegia. But not to worry. Suzy's not in any kind of real trouble. Her newly vigilant central nervous system has it under control and will prevent her from ever running very fast again. I don't know who Jim Hunt is, but he's wasting his time being a running coach. He should be teaching at a major medical school. Anyone who can diagnose no fewer than eight ailments merely from watching someone fall down is blessed with amazing medical powers. Kurt Bray This was passed on to me from Coach Jim Hunt, All American Long Distance Running Coach -- From "Dr. Hunt!" Bill, you asked for it. Suzy Favor Hamilton collapsed in the finals of the Olympic 1500 due to complete glycogen depletion. Suzy does not possess the basic speed that some of the other competitors possess. In order to run as fast as she was attempting to do, she had to run at a velocity that was too high of a percentage of her basic performance speed for too long. The glycogen demanded by her muscles to do the work that the brain was commanding of them was completely depleted. As to the dehydration effect, it takes 4 lb. of water to produce 1 lb. of glycogen. Oxygen must mix with glycogen in order to produce energy. Glycogen is stored in the liver, muscle cells and blood stream and must receive oxygen in the amount demanded by the working muscles to continue to work at a desired level. When stored glycogen is depleted, the body will attempt to make more. The process of making glycogen requires a large quantity of water which would lead to further dehydration. In addition to the depletion of fluid, her body could not deliver sufficient oxygen to produce the muscular contractions that her central nervous system was commanding. Suzy could not extract enough oxygen from the air and deliver it to the working muscles in the amount necessary to be able to continue with the high rate of velocity that she needed to run. In Suzy's attempt to run for 4:00 at a velocity of 6.25 meters per second, complicated by the lack of body fluids, her heart rate soared to a new maximum causing her body temperature to rise to possibly as high as 105 degrees-106 degrees. Her body's cooling system was not prepared to dissipate this much heat. This high temperature coupled with the panic of seeing her competitors fly by her caused her body to go into traumatic shock. Traumatic shock causes the large arteries to expand, literally robbing the working muscles and the brain of oxygen carrying blood. When traumatic shock occurs, the mechanisms causes the body to go into a prone position in an attempt to restore oxygen to the brain. Once in a prone position, enough oxygen returned to her brain for her to muster the energy to stand up. Her tremendous desire to win had programmed her body to move forward to the finish line. When Suzy reached the finish line the energy again was completely depleted. At this point, her body's protective mechanisms caused her to collapse again into a prone position. After several minutes of intravenous fluids, electrolyte restoration she was able to quietly leave through the
Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy
Let's see, Suzy lost because: 1. Complete depletion of glycogen 2. Dehydration 3. Heart rate soared to unspecified record levels 4. Body temperature soared to 105 or 106 degrees 5. Panic 6. Traumatic shock 7. Vascular collapse 8. Lack of oxygen Looks like the course syllabus for Paramedic 101. Suzy is smart. Just losing is one thing. But with all of this stuff, she can be the star of every NBC up-close-and-personal for the next four years! Of course I would suggest adding crutches, a neck brace, and apply peel-off sticker tatoos that look like surgery stitches onto both knees. In fact in the World Championships next year if she came out of the tunnel and struggled to the 1500 starting line on crutches, then laid the crutches to the side and 'painfully struggled' to won the race in 3:58, collapsing in pain as she crossed the line, the NBC producer in the truck would go berserk with glee. RT
