Re: t-and-f: Whither Hootie???
Hootie III is on. I can speak for Mike on this, as we just talked about that two days back. We're lining up the elite athlete field, even as I type away. Beer will flow, runners will disrobe, cross-dress, the usual high-jinks. I, too, was disillusioned by Mike's call to Golf, but I believe it to be a cry of desperation, dealing with the intense pressure of putting on Hootie III. The question is: will Webb be in the Hootie field? Brian McGuire - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: t-and-f: Whither Hootie??? > What's this crap I here about a golf tournament at USATF? What happened to Hootie III? Malmö leaves town and the thing goes belly up? C'mon, Fanelli, Hootie was my one chance each year to run terribly, drink a beer before noon and then feel so lousy that I vowed to start running more. Don't let me down! > sideshow >
t-and-f: Webb's Senior Year Video
Someone needs to assemble and sell a videotape of Alan Webb's senior year in HS. Maybe start with some highlights from earlier years but then show every race on tape from this year. Include TV interviews on the major networks and anything else relevant. I think these would sell well to the niche track market in the US. At my work, in Arlington VA, I am held in high regard for having "been there" at Pre. People are excited and want to come to my office and talk about it...truly amazing. I am just hoping that someone will assemble this since I have not seen much of it (Pre on TV and TV interviews). Just a thought! Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266
t-and-f: IOC prepares to tackle genetic cheats
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kougellis, Jason (CAP, CRE)) It just gets better... IOC prepares to tackle genetic cheats Source: AP|Published: Thursday June 7, 9:05 AM LAUSANNE, Switzerland - The International Olympic Committee has braced for the onset of a problem more formidable and dangerous than doping: genetic modification of athletes. Meeting with some of the world's leading genetic experts, representatives of the IOC medical commission examined the potential impact of gene therapy in sport and the ethical implications of genetically modifying athletes. Major advancements have been made recently in the field of gene therapy, which involves injecting the body with new genes that produce therapeutic proteins meant to block disease. The technique - still in the experimental stage - is designed to treat, cure or prevent disease. But authorities fear some people will try to use gene therapy to secure a competitive edge on the playing field. "There is an important mutation on the horizon," said Prince Alexandre de Merode, chairman of the IOC's medical commission. "The application of gene therapy is not feasible today and we know of no cases of abuse yet, but it could become as important and widespread a problem as traditional doping in sport. "The same problem will likely occur in genetic therapy as we see elsewhere. There is danger here if we are not prepared for it." Relating it only to sport, the experts defined gene therapy as the "transfer of genetic material to humans for the treatment or prevention of diseases or disorders." However, the definition applied only to non-permanent modification of a person's body that will not transfer to offspring. The group did not delve into the possibility of altering embryos in the womb to engineer designer athletes, a potential problem experts imagine happening only in the distant future. "Currently there aren't even any gene therapy medicines that are approved worldwide for any human use, these gene therapy medicines are now only being developed," de Merode said. "So to come up with an individual completely different to others, who can run much faster, be the man or woman of the century - it won't come tomorrow, but maybe 10-20 years time," he said. Among the procedures under consideration to ferret out genetic cheats is the detection of antigens - or the presence of antibodies generated in the blood as a result of gene therapy use. Other methods include scanning and analysing footprints of genes, or protein in blood and saliva. Scientists agreed that gene therapy medicines - and their possible abuse by athletes - could be expected in three to five years. "With cops and thieves, the cops are always one step behind when there is a robbery," IOC medical director Patrick Schamasch said. "But here I really think we are not behind, we are a bit ahead, working with scientists to prevent what may be a problem in the future." http://www.smh.com.au/breaking/2001/06/07/FFXAGWUENNC.html
t-and-f: Fwd: [Oztrack] results from Milan
In a message dated 6/6/01 8:06:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [Oztrack] results from Milan Date: 6/6/01 8:06:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre Sammartino) World leading marks from Jonathan Edwards, Andrea Longo (Men's 800m) and Benjamin Limo (5000m). Big season opener from Katherine Merry. Results courtesy of http://www.athletics-online.co.uk/ Men 100m (-0.1): 1. B Williams (USA) 10.08, 2. L Bredwood (JAM) 10.17, 3. D Mitchell (USA) 10.29, 4. B Lewis (USA) 10.33, 5. F Scuderi (ITA) 10.39, 6. M Checcucci (ITA) 10.43, 7. A Boussombo (GAB) 10.45, 8. S Collio (ITA) 10.45 200m (+0.7): 1. M Torrieri (ITA) 20.54, 2. S Buckland (MRI) 20.58, 3. A Colombo (ITA) 20.80, 4. A Da Silva (BRA) 20.90, 5. S Crawford (USA) 20.97, 6. M Paggi (ITA) 21.13, 7. L Verdecchia (ITA) 21.48 400m: 1. L Byrd (USA) 44.83, 2. G Haughton (JAM) 44.85, 3. J Davis (USA) 46.10, 4. E Ubo Obong (NGR) 46.28, 5. A Al Bishi (KSA) 46.37, 6. A Saber (ITA) 47.19, 7. L Fuccillo (ITA) 47.78 800m: 1. A Longo (ITA) 1:44.55, 2. D Said-Guerni (ALG) 1:44.55, 3. G Dube (BOT) 1:44.80, 4. N Ngeny (KEN) 1:44.85, 5. F Onyancha (KEN) 1:45.27, 6. K Tighazouine (MAR) 1:46.24, 7. a Giocondi (ITA) 1:46.76, 8. J Marwa (KEN) 1:46.77, 9. P Kibet (KEN) 1:47.00, 10. P Kibitok (KEN) 1:47.14, 11. C Neunhauserer (ITA) 1:47.67, 12. A Ceccarelli (ITA) 1:48.47 5000m: 1. B Limo (KEN) 13:05.78, 2. S Kipketer (KEN) 13:06.28, 3. S Berroui (MAR) 13:24.16, 4. P Ivuti (KEN) 13:24.48, 5. D Caimmi (ITA) 13:26.26, 6. M Openshaw (GBR) 13:33.26, 7. B Jabbour (MAR) 13:33.55, 8. J Fitschen (GER) 13:33.86, 9. M Mazza (ITA) 13:34.12, 10. R Benzine (ALG) 13:34.13, 11. A Arlatti (ITA) 13:35.80, 12. M Krokert (GER) 13:37.56, 13. A Graffin (GBR) 13:41.09, 14. G Battocletti (ITA) 13:44.58, 15. V Di Saviero (ITA) 13:45.79, 16. D D'Ambrosio (ITA) 13:46.13, 17. G De Nard (ITA) 13:51.32, 18. D Maffei (ITA) 13:56.84, 19. R Daidone (ITA) 14:09.15 3000mSC: 1. J Kosgei (KEN) 8:13.25, 2. D Chepkisa (KEN) 8:16.28, 3. A Cherono (KEN) 8:21.29, 4. T Lofti (TUN) 8:21.78, 5. E Kemboi (KEN) 8:27.39, 6. A Carosi (ITA) 8:29.13, 7. A Iannelli (ITA) 8:29.50, 8. L Di Pardo (ITA) 8:32.84, 9. V Pronin (RUS) 8:33.13, 10. C Knoblich (GER) 8:33.71, 11. G Crepaldi (ITA) 8:34.08, 12. M Ostendarp (GER) 8:37.93, 13. A Giardiello (ITA) 8:41.07, 14. F Ionescu (ROM) 8:51.55, 15. A Mosca (ITA) 8:53.05, 16. L Merighi (ITA) 9:02.33 400mH: 1. S Diagana (FRA) 48.63, 2. H Al Somaily (KSA) 48.91, 3. G Frinolli (ITA) 49.04, 4. C Rawlinson (GBR) 49.54, 5. A Borsumato (GBR) 49.82, 6. F Sanchez (DOM) 50.06, 7. G Carabelli (ITA) 51.00, 8. C Citterio (ITA) 51.37 HJ: 1. N Leeper (USA) 2.26, 2. A Hammad (ALG) 2.24, 3. I Bernasconi (ITA) 2.21, 4. A Bettinelli (ITA) 2.21, 5. G Ciotti (ITA) 2.18, 6. A Liolin (BLR) 2.15, 6. G Gabella (FRA) 2.15, 8. A Talotti (ITA) 2.10, 9. M Tavella (ITA) 2.10, 10. N Ciotti (ITA) 2.05 TJ: 1. J Edwards (GBR) 17.56, 2. A Kurennoy (RUS) 16.89, 3. F Donato (ITA) 16.79, 4. P Camossi (ITA) 16.76, 5. A Glavatskiy (RUS) 16.67, 6. A Murphy (AUS) 16.57, 7. G Jadel (BRA) 16.57, 8. E Sardano (ITA) 15.93 DT: 1. D Shevchenko (RUS) 63.17, 2. F Kruger (RSA) 63.13, 3. A Borichewskiy (RUS) 6.251, 4. D Fortuna (ITA) 62.28, 5. C Andrei (ITA) 57.55, 6. S Lomater (ITA) 56.53 HT: 1. N Vizzoni (ITA) 80.38, 2. T Gecsek (HUN) 79.93, 3. B Kiss (HUN) 78.12, 4. I Konovalon (RUS) 76.94, 5. L Paoluzzi (ITA) 75.33, 6. M Lingua (ITA) 70.84, 7. G Sanguin (ITA) 69.31 4x100m: 1. Italy 'A' 38.69, 2. Italy 'B' 39.17, 3. Giovanili (ITA) 40.33 Women 100m (-0.4): 1. C Gaines (USA) 11.13, 2. T Edwards (USA) 11.25, 3. M Mani (CMR) 11.34, 4. K White (USA) 11.35, 5. C Arron (FRA) 11.41, 6. A Pistone (ITA) 11.93, 7. F Cola (ITA) 12.01, 8. E Sordelli (ITA) 12.06 200m (+4.0): 1. H Seyerling (RSA) 23.02, 2. M Levorato (ITA) 23.02, 3. L Graham (JAM) 23.07, 4. F Dia (FRA) 23.26, 5. A Diop (SEN) 23.46, 6. S Felix (FRA) 23.55, 7. M Grillo (ITA) 23.99, 8. B Ajudua (NGR) 24.65 400m: 1. K Merry (GBR) 50.44, 2. M Hennagan (USA) 51.52, 3. D Perpoli (ITA) 52.71, 4. N Rodriguez (ITA) 53.18, 5. J Kulikova (RUS) 53.19, 6. D Graglia (ITA) 53.46, 7. F Piroddi (ITA) 54.16, 8. F Carbone (ITA) 54.61 800m: 1. F Macharia (KEN) 2:02.75, 2. E Grouselle (FRA) 2:03.32, 3. M Ait-Hammou (MAR) 2:03.68, 4. A Ndege (TAN) 2:05.11, 5. L Mikhailova (RUS) 2:05.16, 6. E Artuso (ITA) 2:05.32, 7. V Curri (ITA) 2:05.54, 8. Mminetto (ITA) 2:05.65, 9. A Oberstolz (ITA) 2:05.96, 10. C Salvarani (ITA) 2:06.66, 11. A Raftaki (GRE) 2:09.44 PV: 1. M Pyrek (POL) 4.40, 2. P Hamackova (CZE) 4.20, 3. E Gerryts (RSA) 4.00, 4. A Farfalletti (ITA) 4.00, 5. F Dolcini (ITA) 3.80 LJ: 1. M Maggi (BRA) 6.84, 2. V Gotovska (LAT) 6.60, 3. T Vaszi (HUN) 6.51, 4. F May (ITA) 6.49, 5. J Edwards (BAH) 6.49, 6. L Golding (JAM) 6.49, 7. T Smith (JAM) 6.48, 8. C Baccini (ITA) 6.32, 9. S Favre (ITA) 6.05, 10. I Yermolaeva (RUS) 6.02, 11. L Gatto (ITA) 6.00 4x100m: 1. Italy 'A' 44.09, 2. Italy 'B' 45.09
t-and-f: Whither Hootie???
What's this crap I here about a golf tournament at USATF? What happened to Hootie III? Malmö leaves town and the thing goes belly up? C'mon, Fanelli, Hootie was my one chance each year to run terribly, drink a beer before noon and then feel so lousy that I vowed to start running more. Don't let me down! sideshow
Re: t-and-f: An idle thought
I doubt it.Besides,while "community property" is a useful concept in estate planning,it really doesn't apply in divorces--the laws are different in that area of the law in many respects.In any case, if they gave it any thought,they had a marital agreement of some type that will answer this issue. On top of that,it was a relatively short marriage.
t-and-f: Re: WC 'A' standard holders in distances?
Your men's list of qualifiers looks right to me. Here's how the women's breaks down: 800 (2:00.00): Interesting in that few of the qualifiers will actually run the event at USATF. Jacobs, Favor Hamilton, Clark, Miles-Clark, Clark-Diggs, Valmon 1500 (4:07.00): Favor Hamilton, Jacobs, Rudolph, Runyan. 5000 (15:22.00): Jacobs, Drossin, Favor Hamilton, Runyan, Dryer, Kenah, Rudolph, Rhines, Russell, Hickman (we're obviously okay here). 10,000 (32:00.00): Drossin, Hickman, Rhines. Dan Lilot Statistician Track & Field News
t-and-f: Merry surprises herself with opening triumph
The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 7 June 2001 Tom Knight KATHARINE MERRY hit the ground running in the Notturno di Milan meeting last night with an impressive victory in her first 400 metres race of the season. The Olympic bronze medallist was never troubled and crossed the line in the civic arena 10 metres clear of the field in 50.44sec. It was her quickest start to a season and almost 0.3sec faster than she managed last year when she began her Olympic campaign with a 50.72 victory in Helsinki. After opening her summer with a run in Birchfield Harriers' 4 x 400m relay team in Birmingham at the weekend, this was Merry's first chance to test the months of training over the winter. She started cautiously, edging around the first turn before opening up along the back straight. Coming off the final bend, Merry was 10 metres clear of Monique Hennagan, who won gold in Sydney as part of the United States 4 x 400m team. Victory was, she confirmed, as easy as it looked. Merry said: "I started carefully, tracking Monique to 200m. Then I kicked into the bend and again coming into the home straight. It's always difficult to judge the first one but everything went according to plan. "I'm glad I ran in the relay on Saturday. It gave me a chance to get used to running round a track again. "Everyone has been very encouraging, telling me I'd be all right but it's still me who has to come out and run. "I desperately wanted to run quicker than last year but 50.44 is a bit of a surprise. It's the best possible way to open up." This was the start of three weeks of intensive racing for Merry. From Milan, she travels to Grand Prix meetings in Athens and Nuremberg, in a series of head-to-head encounters with some of her biggest rivals at the World Championships in Edmonton in August. Between the two, she will be among the athletes named on Tuesday in the Great Britain team for the European Cup final in Bremen, Germany, which takes place over the weekend of June 23-24. Merry will now rest until Athens, where the field includes Heide Seyerling, the South African who won the 200m here last night and Sandie Richards, the Commonwealth champion from Jamaica. It was also a successful night for Jonathan Edwards. The Olympic triple jump champion, in his second outing of the summer, looked in sparkling form on the runway and claimed victory with a third round leap of 17.56m. His unusually heavy landing in the sand meant he sought immediate first aid treatment and took no further part in the competition. But the distance - with his only legal jump of the night - meant he shot straight to the top of the world rankings, replacing his British team-mate, Phillips Idowu, who headed the list with his 17.33m jump in Crete last weekend. It was also a timely reminder to his Italian rivals, Fabrizio Donato and Paolo Camossi, that despite his lapse at the world indoor championships, Edwards remains the best triple jumper in the world. Edwards said: "I felt ready for a big jump here so I'm delighted with the way things went." Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: An idle thought
Is North Carolina a "community property" state?
t-and-f: Alan Webb
I, too, was surprised at how muscular Alan looked on the TV coverage, particularly after seeing him doing stretching exercises several days before when he looked like your "typical skinny middle distance runner". Maybe it's the 15 pounds that television is supposed to put on...or maybe it was how fast he was passing national- and world-class milers! Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:11:19 -0700 From: Randy Treadway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb's size Maybe its the advent of the return of the Steve Scott, John Walker, Alberto Juantorena barrel-chested model of middle-distance runner, as opposed to the diminutive waif model epitomized by Filbert Bayi and Sebastian Coe. RT On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:43:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Finally saw the Prefontaine meet. I was surprised to see how big >Webb looks in comparison to the other men in the race. Its been >reported that Webb bench-presses 200 lbs. I guess I was surprised >because I've seen him run locally against the local high schoolers - >and he seems smaller than the other high schoolers. > >= >Dave Cameron eugenechamps.com
t-and-f: USATF results history
List, Looking for a link or to see if anyone has info on the complete results for all distance races from 1990 to the present at USATF outdoor track nationals and the Oly Trials. Heat results for these years are greatly appreciated as well. As always, thanks for the help. See ya in Eugene! Joe
t-and-f: Attention: John Schiefer
John, Could you email me, I need some info only you can provide. Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach Assistant Track & Field Coach University of Nebraska-Kearney (308) 865-8070 (office) (308) 338-1115 (home) (308) 865-8187 (fax) http://www.unk.edu/athletics/track [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Felix Limo question?
I remember making a few comments about this controversy straight after the race...at the time I was 95+% sure that Felix Limo had indeed run the 25 laps. I was there in Brussels and was watching two Kenyans who were running together in I think 3rd/4th for most of the race (certainly from 6-8km) - Tergat had a lead of 60-80m on them however like Stockholm in 99 he faded dramatically over the last 2-3km (and like Stockholm this gap gradually disappeared). William Kalya was one of those two athletes and I was trying to work out who the other guy was [there were from memory 14 Kenyans starting the race!]; he was running with a similar 'ugly' style to Kalya. It was Felix Limo. Yes, he is a 'journeyman' Kenyan however the only other time I saw him was in Ingolstadt early in the season when he looked a pretty reasonable athlete when finishing 3rd in 7:43.50 (Komen 1st in around 7:38, Misoi 2nd in 7;40.93). Yes, I think Limo did run the 24 laps. Interested in any differing views. I seem to recall Peter Matthews studying the tapes but they were inconclusive James Templeton "Mcewen, Brian T" wrote: > I know that it was debated and supposedly substantiated ad infinitum last > year when Limo suddenly popped a 27:04 at Brussels (pacing just behind > Tergat's winning 27:03) ... but has anyone seen him run anything to support > suddenly being an all-time top-10 10k'er? > > His PR's before the Brussels race supported him being about a 28:05 runner > (which would make sense if he did indeed run only 24 laps). I believe they > were about 7:50/13:25, but cannot remember them precisely. I also believe > he had either no mark or very slow marks at 10k (before his apparent 27:04). > I also remember seeing him run some less spectacular 5k times right after > the Brussels race (13:20's range?) > > This latest result casts further doubt: > > >GP Hengelo > >1 METRES - MEN > > Pts > > 1 Mezgebu Assefa ETH 27:22.30 5.0 > > 2 Kamathi Charles KEN 27:22.58 4.0 > > 3 Tolla Girma ETH 27:22.84 3.0 > > 4 Limo Richard KEN 27:25.27 2.0 > > 5 Admassu Yibeltal ETH 27:57.01 1.0 > > 6 Jifar Habte ETH 27:57.23 > > 7 Limo Felix KEN 27:57.42 > > I realize that it IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that he never ran something as good > as that 27:04 last August, before or since, AND COULD STILL run a legitimate > 27:04. This is entirely clear to me. I also know he could run 27:57 this > week and it should cast NO DOUBT on the validity of former marks. I also > realize that many times runners have had a HUGE breakthrough, never to > repeat it (especially in the 10k in the last 10 years). > > But has he run anything (in the last 3 years) indicating he is capable of > 27:00-flat territory? > > -Brian McEwen
t-and-f: Iron Wood Throws Camp website
Dear coaches, Please check out our new website at: http://ironwoodcamp.com/ Nearly 80 campers have signed up thus far. We are anticipating nearly 200 campers once again this summer. Coaches come to camp for free (only cost $ if you would like to stay/eat at the dorm with us). Please don't hesitate to contact us if you should have any further questions. Far throws, Bud Rasmussen co-director, Iron Wood Throws Camp
RE: t-and-f: Male Dutch track stars
>Willy Wuhlbeck. Or was it Wily? Neither. It was Willi. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Hazel Clark Status?
I dunno, but I'm SURE it has nothing to do with the slap-on-the-wrist for the positive test from indoor nationals that Hazel received recently. No suspension, but a DQ and press release...not that there is necessarily any smoke where there is fire or anything. Or something... Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Chas. L. Shaffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: t-and-f: Hazel Clark Status? > Does anyone know of Hazel Clark's current condition? She was announced as > an entrant to both the Prefontaine Classic and the adidas Oregon Track > Classic, but did not compete. I did not notice any mention of a scratch in > the Eugene Register-Guard. > > And, how about Regina Jacobs? She was also listed as an entrant in the > Prefontaine 800m, and I saw her sitting in the VIP area atop the implement > weighing area, but she did not compete. In Portland a week later, she died > badly with 200m to go, fading from the top 3 to last or nearly so around > the ultimate curve. She stepped off behind the discus cage. > > Charley Shaffer > Seattle > >
t-and-f: Israeli results
Selected results of the Israeli Junior NC, held in Tel Aviv on June 5-6: Men 800m: David Parda 1:54.45. TJ: Michael Epstein 15.21. HT (6kg): Issar Yazbin 64.02 JR. Women 100m (+0.2): Maya Mutola (b. 070883) 12.26. David --- David Eiger The Israeli Athletics Homepage http://eiger.tripod.com/
Re: t-and-f: Felix Limo question?
Does anyone have video of the race or was anyone there who was certain that he had been lapped? Certainly someone should know. Alan >From: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: t-and-f: Felix Limo question? >Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:17:16 -0400 > > >I know that it was debated and supposedly substantiated ad infinitum last >year when Limo suddenly popped a 27:04 at Brussels (pacing just behind >Tergat's winning 27:03) ... but has anyone seen him run anything to support >suddenly being an all-time top-10 10k'er? > >His PR's before the Brussels race supported him being about a 28:05 runner >(which would make sense if he did indeed run only 24 laps). I believe they >were about 7:50/13:25, but cannot remember them precisely. I also believe >he had either no mark or very slow marks at 10k (before his apparent >27:04). >I also remember seeing him run some less spectacular 5k times right after >the Brussels race (13:20's range?) > >This latest result casts further doubt: > > >GP Hengelo > >1 METRES - MEN > > Pts > > 1 Mezgebu Assefa ETH 27:22.30 5.0 > > 2 Kamathi Charles KEN 27:22.58 4.0 > > 3 Tolla Girma ETH 27:22.84 3.0 > > 4 Limo Richard KEN 27:25.27 2.0 > > 5 Admassu Yibeltal ETH 27:57.01 1.0 > > 6 Jifar Habte ETH 27:57.23 > > 7 Limo Felix KEN 27:57.42 > > >I realize that it IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that he never ran something as good >as that 27:04 last August, before or since, AND COULD STILL run a >legitimate >27:04. This is entirely clear to me. I also know he could run 27:57 this >week and it should cast NO DOUBT on the validity of former marks. I also >realize that many times runners have had a HUGE breakthrough, never to >repeat it (especially in the 10k in the last 10 years). > >But has he run anything (in the last 3 years) indicating he is capable of >27:00-flat territory? > > >-Brian McEwen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: t-and-f: Male Dutch track stars
Willy Wuhlbeck. Or was it Wily? -Original Message- From: Ed Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:10 PM To: Track BulletinBoard Subject: t-and-f: Male Dutch track stars Rob Druppers of Holland won the silver medal in the Helsinki world championships. (Do you recall who won?) True, he didn't do much else in his career.
t-and-f: WC 'A' standard holders in distances?
Anybody in the know willing to post the scenarios of who currently holds an 'A' standard for the WC's from the US distance athletes. Here is what I believe the men's situation is: I believe that Holman, Stember, Jennings, and Krumenacker are the only athletes with the A standard in the 1500m (3:36.20) - all from last summer? Berryhill's solo effort 3:37.05 was impressive, but is still short though. Pyrah, Lunn, and Lassiter are all still short too, with this year's WC standard tougher than the Oly Games standard. In the 5k (13:25.00) I count Kennedy, Meb, Broe this year, with Rodgers and Goucher from last year (Lane just misses). Could make for an interesting choice for Broe. With the SC A standard at 8:25, you'll certainly have to beat that to make the team at the USATF final. But the SC prelim and the 5k are on the same day, and only 1 day after the 10k. So if Meb makes the team in the 10k, he's likely not going to run the 5k?? So Broe may just have to beat Rodgers (13:40-something at Pre) to possibly make the team? Broe looked flat in the SC on Sunday, and although he is tough, is no lock to make it in the SC. In the 10k (28:00.00) I count only Meb, Culpepper, Abdi, and Rogers. Wonder if Rodgers will try the 10k or stick with the 5k. Certainly a lot of guys could pick up the standard in Europe, or even at USATF's. But it does make for some interesting scenarios. Can someone confirm my count of A qualifiers and post the women's RC
Re: t-and-f: Male Dutch track stars
The winner of that race (the 800) was Willi Wulbeck of the former West Germany. In 3rd was rising 800 meter superstar Joaquim Cruz. Didn't Druppers hold an indoor world record at one time in either the 800 or 1000? Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach Assistant Track & Field Coach University of Nebraska-Kearney (308) 865-8070 (office) (308) 338-1115 (home) (308) 865-8187 (fax) http://www.unk.edu/athletics/track [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Male Dutch track stars
Rob Druppers of Holland won the silver medal in the Helsinki world championships. (Do you recall who won?) True, he didn't do much else in his career.
Re: t-and-f: Have you noticed?
At 05:22 PM 6/5/01 -0700, Ed Grant wrote: >Netters: > Those who think that track and field, outside of the Olympics, > will ever gain real popularity in this country, may take some caution > from the present problems of the new women's professional soccer league. > >We all remember with what enthuisiam---and press backing--this > project was launched following the success of the U.S.A. in the World > Cup. But a story in today;s Star ledger reveals that the New York Power, > playing in the heart of the most concentrated population in the county, > is currently averaging just under 5,000 spectators per game, less than > our local minor league baseball teams. > > > Just as with our sport, it is the event, not the athletes that > catches the attention (and the paying public). > > Ed Grant Just a thought. Sure, we would all like our sport to be more popular, to get decent coverage in SI, to get televised meets that don't insult our intelligence, yadda yadda; but with the pattern of major sports devolving into chest-thumping boorishness, might we not all be better off if track and field remains a "minor sport", thus preserving a modicum of integrity that would certainly be lost in the shark-infested waters of big sports and big money. Just my tuppence worth Steve -- Steve Grathwohl *[EMAIL PROTECTED] "The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence, just simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology." --H.L. Mencken
t-and-f: World Youth Records Progression
I am preparing a schedule of the progressive World Youth Bests Can anyone help me with wind reading of the following performances please? MEN 100 m 10.39 Carlton Young 19/05/61 USA 1 Donyetsk 3 Jul 7810.35 Mark Pickens 12/02/66 USA 1 Lincoln 3 Jul 83110 m Hurdles 14.18 Luis Alex Misiniak 27/02/60 CUB 1 Jalapa 29 Aug 7613.97 Rodney Wilson 24/09/61 USA 2 Donyetsk 8 Jul 79Long Jump 7.89 Heulon Hewitt 6/01/51 USA 1 Fresno 10 May 687.91 Robert Emmiyan 16/02/65 URS 1 Yerevan 6 Nov 827.94 Charles Smith 24/05/66 USA 1 Willow Brook 30 Jul 83Triple Jump 16.08 Ian Campbell 18/04/57 AUS 1 Melbourne 2 Nov 7416.14 Lutz Dombrowski 25/06/59 GDR 1 Karl-Marx-St. 30 May 7616.25 David Giralt 26/06/59 CUB 1 Xalapa 29 Aug 7916.36 Dmitriy Litvinenko 12/08/63 URS 1 Tashkent 29 Sep 80WOMEN 100 m Hurdles 13.50 Sonya Hardy 22/09/59 USA 3 Westwood 12 Jun 76Long Jump 6.63 Helga Radtke 16/05/62 GDR 2 Karl-Marx-St. 11 Aug 79Triple Jump13.32 Elena Dumitrascu 14/05/74 ROM 1 Bucuresti 6 Jul 9113.43 Yelena Lysak 19/10/75 RUS 1 Dzerzhinsk 11 Jul 92 Regards Lionel PetersEditor - World Junior Athletics NewsE-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fax >From UK 020-8206 1591. From abroad 44-20-8206 1591Postal Address: 40 Berkeley Road, London NW9 9DG. England
t-and-f: Felix Limo question?
I know that it was debated and supposedly substantiated ad infinitum last year when Limo suddenly popped a 27:04 at Brussels (pacing just behind Tergat's winning 27:03) ... but has anyone seen him run anything to support suddenly being an all-time top-10 10k'er? His PR's before the Brussels race supported him being about a 28:05 runner (which would make sense if he did indeed run only 24 laps). I believe they were about 7:50/13:25, but cannot remember them precisely. I also believe he had either no mark or very slow marks at 10k (before his apparent 27:04). I also remember seeing him run some less spectacular 5k times right after the Brussels race (13:20's range?) This latest result casts further doubt: >GP Hengelo >1 METRES - MEN > Pts > 1 Mezgebu Assefa ETH 27:22.30 5.0 > 2 Kamathi Charles KEN 27:22.58 4.0 > 3 Tolla Girma ETH 27:22.84 3.0 > 4 Limo Richard KEN 27:25.27 2.0 > 5 Admassu Yibeltal ETH 27:57.01 1.0 > 6 Jifar Habte ETH 27:57.23 > 7 Limo Felix KEN 27:57.42 I realize that it IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that he never ran something as good as that 27:04 last August, before or since, AND COULD STILL run a legitimate 27:04. This is entirely clear to me. I also know he could run 27:57 this week and it should cast NO DOUBT on the validity of former marks. I also realize that many times runners have had a HUGE breakthrough, never to repeat it (especially in the 10k in the last 10 years). But has he run anything (in the last 3 years) indicating he is capable of 27:00-flat territory? -Brian McEwen
Re: t-and-f: Bad decision
Hey Ed, I generally enjoy your posts about New Jersey track, however, I think you are off base here. Does it give you pause that the Casey Martin descision was supported by members of the court from all across the political spectrum? I will agree that this was a very difficult case to decide, I'm not sure how I would have ruled as judge, but you should be able to see Casey's side of the argument(and the logic to the court's descision). Simply put, if walking was an essential part of the game of golf, the seniors wouldn't ride in carts! As for it's implications in our sport, I doubt they would bother you at all. I would imagine a high jumper or a pole valter with a visual problem that requires a specially marked bar (which he would supply to the meet, and would meet IAAF specifications in ever other way). How about a deaf sprinter who needs some kind of visual or tactile cue that would let him know when the gun is fired without looking at it? These are the types of accomidations which I believe that are invisioned by the drafters of the ADA and the supreme court. Do they in any way give an unfair advantage to these athletes with mild disabilities, or do they enable them to compete in a fair and meaningful way? Is there any fundimental change in the contest? Mitch -Original Message-From: Ed Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: track net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:03 PMSubject: t-and-f: Bad decision Netters: I know it is a little late, but I would like to add my two cents as to what the Casey Martin decision might or might not mean to our sport. The problem with court decisions is that oince they are made, activists will "run with them" and, oif they go too far, iot takes another court case to correct the situation. There are, of course, a number of ways in which it could affect track and field on all levels. The rules on stimulants, for example. Would they be allowed if an athlete could prove that they merely correct a "handicap." And that's just one example. Would it be confined to the "professional" end of the sport? I doubt it. In factm, the HS sction might be the most vulnerable. It was a porrly reasoned decision and I find it interesting and, for me heartening, that the only two negative votes came from justices whose educational background included a good bit of real logic. To call a golf pro a "customer" of the PGA is totally absurd. A customer pays a fee knowing what he is going to get and what he is not going to get. A professional golfer, if he indeed has to pay an entry fee, does it in the hope that his reward will be, and usually is, much greater than what he puts in. And that;s just one thing wrong with the reasoning, if you can call it that, of the majority which included members of the left, center and right of the court/ Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: Marion Jones to divorce CJ
In a message dated 6/5/01 3:55:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >First Tom and Nicole and now Marion and CJ? what next, the National Inquirer will reveal it's got "Gay Tapes of CJ"? Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Selected results from Germany
In addition to the results from Dessau, Jena and Rehlingen, which can be found at www.steeple.de: Wiesbaden, 30 May w3000m: Mockenhaupt 8:59.70 Obersuhl, 3 June SP: Buder 19.41 DT: Lischka 64.84, Schult 61.78, Schmidt 61.50 wDT: Moellenbeck 63.42 wHT: Muenchow 66.38, Keil 64.98, Priemer 62.94 Wesel, 4 June LJ: Prah 8.01 (injured afterwards), Bigdeli 7.90 TJ: Friedeck 16.60, Verzi 16.34, Moede 16.30 wLJ: Leiwesmeier 6.65 Winfried Kramer Kohlrodweg 12 66539 Neunkirchen/Germany Association of Track & Field Statisticians Editor of NATIONAL ATHLETICS RECORDS www.saar.de/~kramer
t-and-f: Paul McMullen
1996 Olympian Paul McMullen, who has had his share of problems the last few years, is now training in Ann Arbor with coach Ron Warhurst and Kevin Sullivan. (As is steepler Tim Broe) Northeastern University Twilight Meet #2 Solomon Track, Dedham, MA - Saturday 05/26/01 = = === == 1 McMullen, Paul SAUCONY TC3:44.43 2 2 Gary, Robert UNATTACHED3:44.99 2 Walt Murphy
