Re: t-and-f: Bannister

[Steve Grathwohl]

At 06:22 PM 6/9/01 -0700, Philip J Wyckoff wrote:
>My reading of Bannister's career shows him running 4.24.6 in 1947, and he
>came to Oxford in Fall of 1946. which I think makes him a Freshman. He
>never ran on a track or wore spikes prior to Oxford.
>
>Phil Wyckoff

Yes. The first mile race Bannister ever ran was in the fall of his freshman 
year at Oxford (1946), a 4:53. In May of 1947 he ran 4:30.8. Then in June 
"I ran a 4 min. 24.6 sec. mile at the age of eighteen---faster than 
Wooderson at the same age."

Steve


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RE: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[Ben Hall]

Only if he didn't DNF ;-)

My point was not about 400 runners but about the guy Nad used as a measuring
stick.  I'm sure lots of 400 guys could would do decently at 1500.  And I'm
sure lots of 400 guys have run faster than 4:35.  Do note that later in the
email Malmo was quoting I said that all of the performances I had seen were
at the end of practice.  Sort of a "go home" mile.

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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?


> > Are you absolutely nuts?  First, I've seen a 45.6 guy run
> > 4:35 in the mile

I feel fairly certain Mark Everett could manage in the low 4:00's.  While it
is true that some sprinters have a lot of difficulty with running something
as long as a mile, not all of them do.  I'd bet that at least 2 or 3 of the
top ten 400 meter runners could at least run a 3:50 1500m, especially if
they trained for it.  That's not anywhere near world class, but I don't
think these guys have as little endurance as is sometimes attributed to
them.

- Ed Parrot

t-and-f: Peregrine WMNS PV RESULTS

[Ben Hall]

Back to reality and the inhuman efforts of Stacy Dragila!

1. Stacy Dragila, USA 4.81m (15-09.25); 2. Kellie Suttle, USA 4.41m
 (14-05.50); 3. Mary Sauer, USA 4.31m (14-01.75); 4. Melissa Mueller, USA
4.31m
 (14-01.75);

Re: t-and-f: times on NC state records

[Ed & Dana Parrot]

>>And sometimes - such as the boys 3200 - it is actually six seconds
> >slower than someone has run for a longer race in the state meet. (Old 2
> >mile
> >record 9:02; current 3200 record 9:08.) <
> >
> >I'm not sure what the equivalent would be, but I suspect that if
something
> >that stupid were ever done to a basketball record in North Carolina, the
> >Governor would intervene.

We discussed this last month when Webb broke the "high school competition
only" national 1600m record.  The real record should be Ryun's 3:58 mile in
high school only competition, but somehow the powers that be can't get it
through their thick skulls that since a mile is 1609 meters, the time should
count as the 1600m record as well.  Forget "conversion", which is not an
acceptable thing to do with a record - just use the mile time.

- Ed Parrot

t-and-f: Untapped track talent

[Ed Grant]

Netters:
    I 
guess all of us have seen athletes in other sports who would have been 
sensational if they had ever donned spikes.
 
 
    The 
greatest untapped talent I ever say in NJ was former major leaguer Willie Wilson 
at Summit High, where he starred in football (definite NFL potential, basketball 
and baseball, precluding any track competition under our competition rules 
here.
 
    
Willie used to drop down to the Summit track occasionally when the baseball team 
had an off day. Once, coach Rich Thomasey, asked him to lace in spikes and run 
against his star sprinter who was a 10 flat 100Y man. Willie didn't bother 
doffing his clothes and "raced" down the track, looking oiver his 
shoulder at the other boy. 
 
    He 
also had a vertical jump better than 35 inches and, obviously, the speed to be a 
24-plus long jumper. And he was big enough---6-3 or so, about 210, to have made 
an impact in the weights as well.
 
    The 
one time one of our several sensational all-around athletes got to the track was 
bvack in the 50s when Lonnie Wright---who later played simultaneously in the NFL 
and NBA--was given permission to join the team after baseball season was over. 
All he did was win state titles in the LJ and SP at 22-7 or so and 57+. Had the 
Fosbury been in effect then, he could have added the HJ title for he also had a 
vertical jump past three feet.
 
    Tjank 
God neither Milt Campbell nor Renaldo Nehemiah could hit a curve 
ball.
    
Ed Grant 

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[Ed & Dana Parrot]

> > Are you absolutely nuts?  First, I've seen a 45.6 guy run
> > 4:35 in the mile

I feel fairly certain Mark Everett could manage in the low 4:00's.  While it
is true that some sprinters have a lot of difficulty with running something
as long as a mile, not all of them do.  I'd bet that at least 2 or 3 of the
top ten 400 meter runners could at least run a 3:50 1500m, especially if
they trained for it.  That's not anywhere near world class, but I don't
think these guys have as little endurance as is sometimes attributed to
them.

- Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[Michael Contopoulos]

Wilt Chamberlain, at 7' 1" 275 pounds ran 47's in the 400, won the big 8 
meet with a 6' 6.5" high jump and threw the shot over 60'.  I also remember 
reading somewhere that he just stepped on the track and ran a 1:57 800 one 
day after a Sixer's game as part of a dare (when he was over 300 pounds).  
The other stuff he did while traing for track (just during the 3 month track 
season) but the 8 was off no track training at all.  Allen Iverson's best 
event... probably the 400 or 800.  I bet he could be a 45-46 guy and a 
1:45-1:47 guy.

M


>From: Reuben Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Reuben Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Back when Buddy Ryan was coaching the Eagles, he
>had the team do an 880-yard run on the ancient track
>inside the old JFK Stadium (now the site of the First
>Union Center) every year on the first day of minicamp.
>There was a target time by position - maybe 3:30 for
>linemen and on down to 2:30 for skill players.
>
>Being a track writer long before I was an Eagles
>beat writer, I always brought my stopwatch just for
>the hell of it.
>
>In 1989, safety Terry Hoage crossed the line in
>1:58. Not world-class by any means, but Terry told me
>later he never ran in HS and his training was limited
>to typical football stuff - weights and short speed
>work (nothing longer than straightaway stuff on the
>track).
>
>I always wondered what Terry could have run had he
>ever trained. In any case, it gave me new respect for
>pro football players as genuine athletes.
>
>Reuben Frank
>
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Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[Reuben Frank]

   Back when Buddy Ryan was coaching the Eagles, he
had the team do an 880-yard run on the ancient track
inside the old JFK Stadium (now the site of the First
Union Center) every year on the first day of minicamp.
There was a target time by position - maybe 3:30 for
linemen and on down to 2:30 for skill players.

   Being a track writer long before I was an Eagles
beat writer, I always brought my stopwatch just for
the hell of it.

   In 1989, safety Terry Hoage crossed the line in
1:58. Not world-class by any means, but Terry told me
later he never ran in HS and his training was limited
to typical football stuff - weights and short speed
work (nothing longer than straightaway stuff on the
track).

   I always wondered what Terry could have run had he
ever trained. In any case, it gave me new respect for
pro football players as genuine athletes.

   Reuben Frank

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Fw: t-and-f: times on NC state records

[Floyd Highfill]

9:02.0   2 mile converts to 8:58.5 3200m.  9:08.0  3200m converts to 9:11.5
2 mile. (To the nearest 0.1 sec anyway - As usual I have a chart which I
could send to anyone...).

Floyd Highfill

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From: Robert Hersh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: david honea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, June 09, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: t-and-f: times on NC state records


>Message text written by "david honea"
>>And sometimes - such as the boys 3200 - it is actually six seconds
>slower than someone has run for a longer race in the state meet. (Old 2
>mile
>record 9:02; current 3200 record 9:08.) <
>
>I'm not sure what the equivalent would be, but I suspect that if something
>that stupid were ever done to a basketball record in North Carolina, the
>Governor would intervene.

t-and-f: Bannister

[Philip J Wyckoff]

My reading of Bannister's career shows him running 4.24.6 in 1947, and he
came to Oxford in Fall of 1946. which I think makes him a Freshman. He
never ran on a track or wore spikes prior to Oxford.

Phil Wyckoff

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t-and-f: NEW YORK MINI MARATHON 10K June 9, 2001 - Top 20 Results

[FranciCash]

From: www.nyrrc.org
NEW YORK MINI MARATHON 10K
June 9, 2001
6.2 miles - 10.0 km

Place    Name    Age   Team  St  Time 
   
1   Radcliffe, Paula 27 G. BRIT    30:47  
  
2   Joseph, Restituta   29    TANZANI   31:53
3   Barsosio, Florence 24    KENYA 32:26 
4   Ngotho, Jane 31    KENYA 32:33
5   Petrova, Ludmila    32    RUSSIA    32:36
6   Sommaggio, Silvia 31    ITALY    32:51
7   Ribeiro, Feranda    31    PORTUGA 32:51
8   Kuma, Eyrusalem  19    ETHIOPI    32:52
9   Omoro, Jane 26 KENYA 32:59
10 Morgunova, Lyubov    30 RUSSIA    33:22
11 Chiba, Masako  24    JAPAN  33:42
12 Komu, Martha    19    KENYA 33:57
13 Montgomery, Carol 34    CANADA   34:02
14 Wangui, Naomi  22    KENYA 34:13
15 Timofeyeva, Irina    31    RUSSIA 34:29
16 Bakoulis, Gordon   40 MOVC  NY   35:02
17 Hennessy, Jeanne 23 TRR   NY  35:34
18 Griffin, Kim    39 WS    NY  35:42 
   
19 Prieur, Gladees  36    MCNY  NY    36:17
20 Saddic, Kim  31 PA   36:36

RE: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[malmo]

Ben, we've seen a 45 guy run 4:00 for the mile. He's in San Quentin now
for robbing a bank.

malmo

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ben Hall
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 4:36 PM
> To: nad wilson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
> 
> 
> Are you absolutely nuts?  First, I've seen a 45.6 guy run
> 4:35 in the mile 

t-and-f: NCAA & USATF Champs in Same City

[Chas. L. Shaffer]

Dear Listers,

Can any of you with full bookshelves dig up whether or not the NCAA 
Championships and the USATF (previously known as TAC and AAU) Championships 
were ever held at the same site in the same year before?

I'm fairly sure that it hasn't happened in the years since 1960, if ever.

A recent column by Ron Bellamy in the Eugene Register-Guard laments the 
declining attendance at the recent NCAA Championships held at Hayward 
Field.  He ponders whether or not Eugene can support two major meets in one 
year.


Charley Shaffer

t-and-f: Regina Jacobs Status

[Chas. L. Shaffer]

Ye olde editor gh replied to me that he "was told in Eugene that Regina 
went out day before the [Prefontaine Classic] meet to warm up and forgot 
her spikes. Borrowed a pair and strained her Achilles. Not expected to 
impact her appearance at Stanford."

Tonight will tell

Charley Shaffer
Seattle

P.S.  Thanks to Ed Grant and others for their comments on Hazel Clark.  Go 
Gators!

Re: t-and-f: times on NC state records

[JimRTimes]

In a message dated 6/9/01 5:37:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>The timing was done by a pretty
>reliable auto-timer, who has no idea how it happened

It's possible that the auto-timer didn't start on the gun's sound, and the 
operator started the timing device by hand, which, due to the increased 
reaction time (not only to the gun, but also to the fact that the FAT device 
hadn't started) would produce some incredibly fast times. 

The rules allow for a recall by the timer, but perhaps he didn't have a 
pistol, or else figured the time would be nothing special.

Jim Gerweck
Running Times

RE: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[Subfour359]

umm, folks, i think wilson was inferring that iverson could have been a good middle 
distance runner based on the fact that he ran sub 5 at a hoops practice.  personally, 
just by watching him ive always thought he could run fast for the mile if he trained 
for it.  and yeah it is damn hard to be a world class runner, but that doesnt mean 
iverson couldnt have been. if you ask any coach what he looks for in a raw "recruit" 
they would like to train, they would say natural leg speed, mental toughness/desire, 
and the willingness to take a beating and come back for more.   hmmm, iverson has 
massive amounts of all of these so...
lets also not forget that people have been telling iverson hes too short for the nba 
yada yada yada, and well, he seems to have proven those idiots wrong so...
in fact, if you look into allen's background youll be surprised at the relative 
similarities between his childhood and that of the kenyan kids so...

..yes, allen iverson could have been an excellent runner (800/1500 type guy).  in 
fact, reminds me of a friend ive always been hoping would apply his amazing 
athleticism to the track.

dan tomasino
UNH  XC motto 2001:  were the university of new hampshire, and we dont care who you 
are or what your name is, were still going to beat you.  

t-and-f: NY mini marathon

[Ed Prytherch]

From SportServer.com:
NEW YORK (June 9, 2001 10:49 AM EDT) - World 
cross-country champion Paula Radcliffe of Britain trimmed 13 seconds off the 
course record as she won the Mini Marathon on Saturday. 
Radcliffe was timed in 30 minutes, 47 seconds for the 6.2-mile course through 
Central Park, smashing the record of 31:00 set by Norway's Grete Waitz in 1980. 

The world best is 30:39, by Scotland's Liz 
McColgin, at Orlando, Fla., in 1989. 
In only her second 10-kilometer race on the roads, Radcliffe went right to 
the front and steadily pulled away from the field of more than 4,500. 
Second-place finisher Restituta Joseph of Tanzania was more than a minute 
back. 

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[alan tobin]

I'm sure there are a lot of fast sprinters in the NBA, NFL, NHL and 
Baseball.

Alan


>From: "nad wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "nad wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
>Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:00:58 -
>
>I recently heard that Iverson ran sub 5 in a mile at a sixers practice. 
>Does
>this impress anyone else?
>I really doubt that he was doing any sort of running to get in shape for
>this.
>I've seen sub 47 400 guys that couldn't go sub 5 and none of them have
>Iverson's quickness.
>I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but
>could he have been a great runner as well?
>I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport 
>that
>he pursued.
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t-and-f: times on NC state records

[Robert Hersh]

Message text written by "david honea"
>And sometimes - such as the boys 3200 - it is actually six seconds
slower than someone has run for a longer race in the state meet. (Old 2
mile
record 9:02; current 3200 record 9:08.) <

I'm not sure what the equivalent would be, but I suspect that if something
that stupid were ever done to a basketball record in North Carolina, the
Governor would intervene.   

t-and-f: Israeli results

[D. Eiger]

Selected results of a meet held in Tel Aviv on June 9:

Men
100m (+1.2): Micky Bar-Yeoshua 10.54, Kfir Golan 10.55.
200m (+1.9): Gidon Jablonka 21.16, Tal Mor (b. 030782) 21.43 JR.
PV: Danny Krasnov 5.20, Andrei Krestiantsev (b. 060182) 5.00.
LJ: Rogel Nachum 7.52/+2.0.
Women
SP: Olga Kurkulin 13.25.

David
---
David Eiger

The Israeli Athletics Homepage
http://eiger.tripod.com/

RE: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[Ben Hall]

To quote Sherman T. Potter of M.A.S.H., "Horse Pucky!"  All-American and
"decent" are galaxies aprart from "world class", as Nad contends and with
which you seem to agree.  WORLD CLASS?  That means THE BEST in the world not
the top 8 or so in the NCAAs.

Let me point out that the top 30 individuals last year in the sprints ran
10.11 or faster for 100m, 20.31 for 200, 45.03 for 400, 13.44 for 110H, and
49.07 for 400H.  Think of this... Michael Johnson has a PR of 10.09 for
100m.  On last year's list that would have tied him for 24th fastest 100 in
the world.

Iverson is a world class basketball player.  But please, give our track guys
a little respect.

If you want me or anyone else to believe that Iverson could be "world class"
don't give me a bunch of football goofs stats.  Tell me how he lined up, on
the track, against the best in VA or the US as a high schooler.  Otherwise
it's absolute nonsense.

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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?


In a message dated 01-06-09 14:16:52 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I recently heard that Iverson ran sub 5 in a mile at a sixers practice.
Does
 this impress anyone else?
 I really doubt that he was doing any sort of running to get in shape for
 this.
 I've seen sub 47 400 guys that couldn't go sub 5 and none of them have
 Iverson's quickness.
 I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but
 could he have been a great runner as well?
 I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport
that
 he pursued.
 ___ >>

I agree with nad. We sometime tend to forget that just because a great
athlete chooses one sport that they will not be as good in another. Look at
all of the pro football players in the NFL that were all-american track
guys.
Even more the number of college players that were HS all-americans. Iverson
was the MVP in his state at the same time that Ronald Curry (UNC
football/basketball), Aaron Brooks (QB, Saints), and Michael Vick (1st
overall pick this year) were playing. If taken seriously, he probably
would've been a decent runner.


Larry A. Morgan

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[LOVE91397]

In a message dated 01-06-09 14:16:52 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I recently heard that Iverson ran sub 5 in a mile at a sixers practice. 
Does 
 this impress anyone else?
 I really doubt that he was doing any sort of running to get in shape for 
 this.
 I've seen sub 47 400 guys that couldn't go sub 5 and none of them have 
 Iverson's quickness.
 I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but 
 could he have been a great runner as well?
 I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport that 
 he pursued.
 ___ >>

I agree with nad. We sometime tend to forget that just because a great 
athlete chooses one sport that they will not be as good in another. Look at 
all of the pro football players in the NFL that were all-american track guys. 
Even more the number of college players that were HS all-americans. Iverson 
was the MVP in his state at the same time that Ronald Curry (UNC 
football/basketball), Aaron Brooks (QB, Saints), and Michael Vick (1st 
overall pick this year) were playing. If taken seriously, he probably 
would've been a decent runner.


Larry A. Morgan

t-and-f: times on NC state records

[david honea]

> At the North Carolina state meet a few yrs ago a team was credited with a
> time that established a new state record, 42 something.  Everyone knew an
> error had been made but all refused to chnage the time to the correct one
and
> the coach insusted his boys had run that fast even though their prior best
> was nowhere near the time they were credited for.  That mark still stands.

The time was actually 41.30. What really made it remarkable, or flat out
unbelievable (I learned about this when I saw it in this year's state meet
program and asked if it could possibly be true) was that it was in the 1A,
or smallest, division - schools of less than 500 or so students in grades
9-12. Maybe a school that size could run that fast in Texas, but not here,
and no way could a 1A school ever hold the overall state record in a relay.

Reliable people tell me that numerous hand-timers had it at mid-42, possibly
still state record calibre in that division. (Hard to say, since the real
state record is no longer on the books.) The timing was done by a pretty
reliable auto-timer, who has no idea how it happened, but no reasonable
person believes anything under 42.00 was run. This was pointed out
immediately, and repeatedly in the aftermath. I'm pretty sure the state
association, and possibly even the coach of the school concerned, accept
that a mistake was made. But the state accepted the argument from the school
that "it is unfair to take a state record away from those kids just because
somebody else may have made a mistake." Never mind the teams that previously
held the state records, or those that won't get credit for one in the future
because a bogus time is on the books.

So in North Carolina sometimes the state record is faster than anyone has
ever run. And sometimes - such as the boys 3200 - it is actually six seconds
slower than someone has run for a longer race in the state meet. (Old 2 mile
record 9:02; current 3200 record 9:08.) Hopefully they don't ever switch to
metric for measuring field events, or we'll have to retire all those records
too, including a couple by national record holders. (I think I'm kidding
there, but I'm not sure.)

david

RE: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[Ben Hall]

Are you absolutely nuts?  First, I've seen a 45.6 guy run 4:35 in the mile
(I'm quite sure he could have run faster on less strength/sprint training
and more endurance training).  And, come to think of it I've seen a 44.7 guy
and a 44.2 guy both break 5 minutes.  AND... all of those were at the end of
practice after some 500 or 600s.  I've seen it happen at least a couple
dozen of times.  So I'm not real sure your 47 guy is a good comparison to
Iverson.  47 ain't world class.  In fact, it isn't even national class.
Hell, I've seen high school tennis players and swimmers break 5 minutes with
no running specific training.  On to Iverson...

He is a great athlete, no doubt.  He's very quick and obviously fairly fit.
He can even play football at a pretty high level or could in high school.
However, there is no correlation between any of that and being able to run
45.0 (We'll call that world class for arguments sake.  It is basically #30
or better in the world last year.).  A 100 or 200... I *might* be persuaded
to believe that if Iverson was willing to train his ass off for a while
(meaning more than a year) he might be able to get down to 10.5 or 21.0, but
again, those are not world class times.

Let's give ourselves a little credit here.  Being world class in T&F is damn
hard.  In part this is because T&F is an international sport not just an
American game.  There have been very few athletes who have been truly world
class in multiple sports.  In T&F in the last 20 years there have been what-
two? three?  I can think of Michael Carter (1984 OG Silver in the Shot) and
Willie Gault (1983 WC 4x1 Gold + 110H finalist).  Who else?  Skeets wasn't.
Capel isn't.  Dailey Thompson wasn't.

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Subject: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?


I recently heard that Iverson ran sub 5 in a mile at a sixers practice. Does
this impress anyone else?
I really doubt that he was doing any sort of running to get in shape for
this.
I've seen sub 47 400 guys that couldn't go sub 5 and none of them have
Iverson's quickness.
I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but
could he have been a great runner as well?
I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport that
he pursued.
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t-and-f: Hazel Clark

[Ed Grant]

Netters:
    A 
question was raised here about Hazel Clark's condition looking into the USATF 
meet after her scratch at Eugene.
 
    I 
talked with her hS coach, Len Klepack, at the recent NJ AG meet, She is 
perfectly OK and looking forward to qualifying for the World's. The scratch at 
Eugene was just a precaution to be sure she is ready when the time 
comes.
 
    I 
also asked about the indoor incident. Len told me that she had taken the 
medicine a few days before the meet without tellng her brother-coach and 
evidently got bawled out for doing (and not doing) so. 
 
    
Ed Grant 

t-and-f: Ever wonder "what ever happened to ...?" -- Liz Mueller

[Donald Mcfarlin]

http://www.womenboxing.com/mueller.htm

t-and-f: Leaving no one behind

[Conning]

Olympic champion runner Cathy Freeman alters pace at the top of her game to 
help Portland's down and out
By Katy Muldoon
The Oregonian
Tuesday, June 5, 2001

http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/news/oregonian/lc_31free05.fram
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Keith Conning
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Vacaville, CA  95688-3509
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t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

[nad wilson]

I recently heard that Iverson ran sub 5 in a mile at a sixers practice. Does 
this impress anyone else?
I really doubt that he was doing any sort of running to get in shape for 
this.
I've seen sub 47 400 guys that couldn't go sub 5 and none of them have 
Iverson's quickness.
I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but 
could he have been a great runner as well?
I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport that 
he pursued.
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t-and-f: Andy Bloom and Michelle Johnson

[Conning]

http://www.thereporter.com/Current/daily.html#Vacan_fulfills_shot_at_dream

We can help our sport by working with the local media.  I let my local 
newspaper know that Andy Bloom and Michelle Johnson were competing at 
Stanford today.  They followed through with this story.
Keith

Keith Conning
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Vacaville, CA  95688-3509
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t-and-f: Results Sparkassen DLV-Meeting Dortmund

[Dirk Wagner]

Hi,

the results of the "Sparkassen DLV-Meeting" held this saturday in 
Dortmund, Germany can be founds at 
http://www.dlv-sport.de/ERGEBNISSE/2001/MEETING

in the "Ergebnisse" - Section.

ciao

dirk
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