t-and-f: Come on!!!
PAY ATTENTION!!! The email address is different and so are the initials. There is no excuse for making such a mistake. Darrell has said nothing on the subject of Iverson. Geesh! DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
Re: t-and-f: Golden West Results
www.dyestat.com has complete results... - | Bob Ramsak | TRACK PROFILE News Service | *Images, Features and Coverage of Track & Field, Road Racing and Olympic Sport |Cleveland, Ohio USA |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trackprofile.com | | Sign up for your FREE subscription to the TRACK PROFILE READER | at http://www.trackprofile.com/newsletter.html --- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 12:50 AM Subject: t-and-f: Golden West Results > Does anyone have complete results from Golden West? The results have > not been posted on their web site and I was wondering if there is a web site > with results or if someone was there and has some of the results. Thanks. >Marty Ogden
t-and-f: Golden West Results
Does anyone have complete results from Golden West? The results have not been posted on their web site and I was wondering if there is a web site with results or if someone was there and has some of the results. Thanks. Marty Ogden
Re: t-and-f: Let the Iverson thing go
I think Darrell was refering to exactly what you said, Webb is a 47.0 guy right now. That is a long way from 45. And yes, most of the top milers in the world can split 45, but spliting 45 and running 45 open are miles apart as well. I get tired of people throwing around the time of 45 seconds like it is a commonplace thing. 45.99 may not be the top time in the world, but it is still an amazing accomplishment. Equal in my book to 4:00/3:42. Barto --- Michael Contopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Web split 47.2... it wouldn't surprise me if he > splits 46.? while at > Michigan. Not quite 45, but not too shabby either. > William Chirchir runs > 1:43 in the 8 and 3:50 (faster) in the mile. I > bet he can run 45.? in a > split... you have to to be able to run 1:43. El G, > Ngeny, Morcelli in his > prime, Coe, all milers (for the most part) who I > would bet could all split > 45.?. > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: t-and-f: Let the Iverson thing go > >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:24:03 EDT > > > >"Allen Iverson's best > >event... probably the 400 or 800. I bet he could > be a 45-46 guy and a > >1:45-1:47 guy." > > > >You guys really don't understand how difficult it > is to run 45 seconds in > >the > >400. I see all of you throwing that number around > just because a 155 pound > >guy runs up and down the court with a bunch of 6'7 > + guys all weighing 260 > >and up??? Of course he is going to look fast and > BTW mile time doesn't tell > >you squat about running a 400 at the world calss > level or anywhere near it. > >Next thing you know I'll be hearing how Web is a 45 > second quartermiler. > > > >DMC > >While intelligent people can often simplify the > complex, a fool is more > >likely to complicate the simple. > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: Arrogant officials and decisions...
In a message dated 6/8/01 11:56:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >2. Appropriate training for officials, not just meeting to look at old >films or discuss how things used to be. > Is track the only sport where an official can be certified w/o ever having seen, much less worked, a meet? To pass the USATF test (at least in CT) you merely have to pass the written test, which is open book and untimed. Every other sport has a "rating session" where officials work at a pre-season scrimmage; newbies are guided by veterans, who themselves work on applying new rules. And once the season begins, the assigner generally puts novices under the wing of an experienced official, who can give pointers along the way. As far as I know, track does nothing along those lines. Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: John Crumpacker at Stanford
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t-and-f: Jeff Faraudo (The Oakland Tribune) at Stanford
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t-and-f: Announcement of XV ITFCA Congress
Dear listers: This is an announcement of XV Congress on behalf fo ITFCA President, G.G.Dales. Anyone who is interested in to take part the congress, please contact directly him to the following address: George G. Dales, ITFCA President 1705 Evanston Ave., Kalamazoo, MI 49008 USA Fax: 616/387-4461 Ph:616/349-1008 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Announcement of XV ITFCA Congress ~~ ~~ ~ XV International Track & Field Coaches Congress, Aug 8 - 10, 2001 at University of Alberta during the World Championships in Edmonton Approved by IAAF-USATF-Athletics Canada, Canada Inter-University Athletics Union Hosted by University of Alberta Presentations by world notable sport scientists Biomechanics - Excercise physiology Motor Behavior - Resistance & Hydro training Sport Management - Athletic administration & management Event specific symposia (Techniques-Training) Sprints - Hurdles - Relays - Middle & Long Distances Jumps - Throws - Multi-events Registration $150 USD or $65 per day (Limited Space) Advanced Reservations $50 before July 15, 2001 ___ Tentative Program of XV ITFCA Congress Wednesday, August 9, 2001 0800 - 0900 Registratiion / Exhibits 0900 - 0945 Opening (Weclocme) 1000 - 1130 Biomechanics Lecture 1130 - 1300 Lunch / Exhibits 1300 - 1430 Breakout Sessions: Sprints, Middle Distances Long Jump, Shot Put 14:30- 1500 Refreshment Break / Exhibits 15:00- 1630 Breakout Sessions: Relays, Steeplechase Triple Jump, Discus Throw 16:30- Exhibits Thursday, August 10, 2001 0800 - 0900 Registration / Exhibits 0900 - 1030 Exercise Physiology Lecture 1030 - 1100 Refreshment Break / Exhibits 1100 - 1230 Psycho/Motor Skills Lecture 1230 - 1330 Lunch / Exhibits 1330 - 1500 Breakout Sessions: High Hurdles, Distances & Cross Country, High Jump, Javelin Throw 1500 - 1530 Refreshment Break / Exhibits 1530 - 1630 Breakout Sessions: 400m Hurdles, Marathon, Multi-events, Pole Vault, Hammer Throw 1630 - Exhibits Friday,August 11, 2001 0800 - 0900 Registration / Exhibits 0900 - 1030 Resistance Training Lecture 1030 - 1100 Refreshment Break 1100 - 1230 Development / Promotions 1230 - 1330 Lunch / Exhibits 1330 - 1500 Sport Management / Hydro Training 1500 - 1600 Closing (Awards) Session Reception __ -- MURAKI Yukito, Prof. & Coach Institute of Sport Science, University of Tsukuba Tel(O):+81-298-532648 Fax(O):+81-298-536507 Tel/Fax(H):+81-298-515575 Mobile:+81-90-14577251 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: t-and-f: off topic
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:04:05 -0400, you wrote: >I train my runners to run with spikes during 200 m repeats or 300 m. . >My friend a coach dose not agree he feels they should use them only >during 30m , 60.m speed work. Need other opions on this matter. >Please , you may respond off list. >Thanks. Depends on what event(s) you're training for. However, there is one other consideration- I suspect that your question is dealing with the merits of spikes versus flats in these kinds of workouts. I can only speak from personal experience, but in all the years I trained as an 800m runner, the years I stayed HEALTHIEST were the years that I did all repeats between 200m and 600m BAREFOOT on a 400m grass track. When I moved to another state, new coach, and trained in flats on a reslite track, the nagging injuries returned. RT
t-and-f: off topic
I train my runners to run with spikes during 200 m repeats or 300 m. . My friend a coach dose not agree he feels they should use them only during 30m , 60.m speed work. Need other opions on this matter. Please , you may respond off list. Thanks.
t-and-f: Anyone know why Latasha Jenkins' scratched at Palo Alto?
Hi All, Wondering if anyone knows why Jenkins, the early 100/200 world leader, didn't run the Palo Alto 200. Any insight is greatly appreciated... -| Bob Ramsak| TRACK PROFILE News Service| *Images, Features and Coverage of Track & Field, Road Racing and Olympic Sport| Cleveland, Ohio USA| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.trackprofile.com| Sign up for your FREE subscription to the TRACK PROFILE READER and Ohio TRACK & RUNNING REPORT at http://www.trackprofile.com/newsletter.html---
re: t-and-f: times on NC state records
I might point out that under IAAF and USATF rules, if an automatic timing device is NOT started by the starter's pistol, the film or image itself is supposed to show that. (The two rules have slightly differerent wording but identical intent.) Bob H
RE: t-and-f: Yeah CBS
As long as the meet coverage stays like it is it only hurts the sport in my opinion. If you have bad coverage the average Joe changes the channel and say's "Track sucks". Bad coverage gives the average person the wrong idea about track. Today's coverage was boring, poor, horrible, etc I agree we should thank CBS for the coverage, which I did, but we also should give constructive critisism, which I did. Sitting around thanking people for a poor job is just as bad as giving an American runner a prize for being the first American when he finished 20th in the race. It just doesn't promote change. Greg HippHerbster Track and Fieldwww.xctrack.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]828 268-9578 www.asutrackandfield.com - Go Mountaineers! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John RhodesSent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 6:21 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: t-and-f: Yeah CBS While most of you will be busy complaining about the coverage, I am thankful to actually see two track meets in one day. Instead of everybody complaining about what they did not show, why not go to http://www.cbs.com and click on feedback at the bottom of the page, and thank them for showing two meets. Maybe we will get more in the future. John
Re: t-and-f: Let the Iverson thing go
Web split 47.2... it wouldn't surprise me if he splits 46.? while at Michigan. Not quite 45, but not too shabby either. William Chirchir runs 1:43 in the 8 and 3:50 (faster) in the mile. I bet he can run 45.? in a split... you have to to be able to run 1:43. El G, Ngeny, Morcelli in his prime, Coe, all milers (for the most part) who I would bet could all split 45.?. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: t-and-f: Let the Iverson thing go >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:24:03 EDT > >"Allen Iverson's best >event... probably the 400 or 800. I bet he could be a 45-46 guy and a >1:45-1:47 guy." > >You guys really don't understand how difficult it is to run 45 seconds in >the >400. I see all of you throwing that number around just because a 155 pound >guy runs up and down the court with a bunch of 6'7 + guys all weighing 260 >and up??? Of course he is going to look fast and BTW mile time doesn't tell >you squat about running a 400 at the world calss level or anywhere near it. >Next thing you know I'll be hearing how Web is a 45 second quartermiler. > >DMC >While intelligent people can often simplify the complex, a fool is more >likely to complicate the simple. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: TV Track Coverage?
In a message dated 6/10/01 5:47:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If today's broadcast of the Palo Alto meet is any indication of the > quality of the Edmonton Worlds, we are all better off watching reruns of > old sitcoms on Nickolodian TV. In the past 20 minutes of coverage, > there has been exactly 43 seconds of track action. The rest has been > comercials and "banter" from the commentators about up coming meets. Oh > well, network TV. Love it or leave it, it is the best (sorry to say) > that the U.S. can offer. In the 3 hours it takes to play a typical NFL football game there is probably 12 minutes of football.
t-and-f: Radcliffe has stroll in the park
The Electronic Telegraph Monday 11 June 2001 Tom Knight PAULA RADCLIFFE served notice of her intent this summer with victory in the New York Mini Marathon in the second fastest time recorded for a 10km road race. In her first major race since she won the world cross-country title in March, Radcliffe took the lead after two miles and crossed the line in Central Park in 30min 47sec, lowering Grete Waitz's 21-year-old course record by 47sec. The time was only eight seconds short of the world best, set in 1989 by Liz McColgan on a much flatter course in Florida and suggests that this could be the year when Radcliffe finally wins a world title over 10,000 metres on the track. She returns to competition later this month to run the 5,000m for Britain at the European Cup in Bremen, Germany. Marlon Devonish pushed his bid for a place in that British team by winning the 200m in 20.40sec at the Zywiec SA Cup meeting in Poznan, Poland. The Briton also beat Ato Boldon, the Olympic bronze medallist from Trinidad. In California, Stacy Dragila, the Olympic pole vault champion, twice broke her world record at the US Open meeting. Dragila, 30, cleared 4.71m to break her record by one centimetre then had the bar raised 10cm to 4.81m. It was the seventh outdoor world record of her career. Marion Jones, the triple Olympic champion, won the 200m before announcing her repertoire would not include the long jump this summer. Katharine Merry, Steve Backley and Colin Jackson are among the Britons promised perfect conditions for tonight's Tsiklitiria 2001 Grand Prix in Athens. The meeting also sees the first race in Europe this summer for the Olympic 100m champion, Maurice Greene, in the stadium where he won his first world 100m title in 1997 and, two years later, set his world record of 9.79sec. It emerged yesterday that Greene is unhappy with having to run in this month's US world championship trials in Eugene, Oregon. As the 100m and 200m champion, Greene has a wild card entry to the world championships but a recent amendment to the International Amateur Athletic Federation rule on defending champions means he has to compete at his national trials. According to Emmanuel Hudson, Greene's manager, the new arrangement is unfair. Said Hudson: "In a legal sense, the IAAF have breached the contract between themselves and the athletes they have invited to defend their titles." Eamonn Condon www.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Dwain's shock waves rock the world
The Electronic Telegraph Monday 11 June 2001 Owen Slot OKAY, so it may be a bit soon to start raving. It may be piling pressure on the lad, too. But after running a 10.01 seconds 100 metres on Friday he and his team were saying it themselves anyway, so we'll join in: Dwain Chambers is going to run very fast this season, considerably faster than ever before. Should Maurice Greene worry? Team Chambers says he should. Didn't Chambers say that last year? Well yes, he did. But if we can spare the cynicism for a young and hyperbole-friendly sprinter with more than his fair share of adrenaline running through his veins, the crucial words are: "I mean it more than last year." He has reason to. Remember, he is only just 23, so age alone suggests he should still be improving; two early season races suggest that he is. Times of 10.12 and 10.13 are very good, not mere cases of brushing off cobwebs; this time last year he was struggling to get under 10.30. So we followed him to Seville: a warm climate, fast track and a half-decent field would really show where he was. His semi-final certainly augured well. He so dominated it that he slowed considerably at the finish and yet still ran 10.12. The main competition in the final was the American Brian Lewis and Jason Gardener, a sub-10 British sprinter himself. Chambers got an average start and Gardener led until 40 metres, yet thereafter Chambers powered through to a very healthy victory. His smile when he saw the time was an indication of the sort of promises that were to follow. You see, sprinters simply aren't supposed to run so close to 10 seconds so early in the season. Greene, yes, but other mortals, no. They improve gradually and hope to be under 10 for mid-July and August. Chambers didn't even get near 10 seconds all last year. So there are two possible conclusions that can be drawn from this. Either he has completely mistimed his season and is peaking two months too early. This is something Ato Boldon is prone to: astonishing times in June that can't be sustained when it really matters. Or he is on the point of reaching levels of achievement beyond anywhere he has been before. "I can tell you it's the latter," said John Regis, the UK 200 metres record holder, sitting in the stands. "He is going to run very fast. I honestly think that sends a shockwave throughout the world, to the Maurice Greenes, to the Ato Boldons, to the guys who want to be world champion. Dwain has thrown his name in the mix and he means business." Now, these vibrations that shook the world on Friday evening may just have passed you by, but for Regis to be bearing witness to them is a statement in itself. It's for Chambers to get carried away in the post-race buzz; Regis, as his manager, should be the voice of authority and caution, but such is his confidence that there was none. Indeed, Regis went much further. "I don't think it's long until the British record is under real threat," he said, which means he believes Chambers, whose personal best is 9.97, will soon be breaking 9.87. Yet Regis wasn't in a wishful dreamworld of his own in thinking this. "That was a superb show," said Gardener. "If the situation is right, he could go low 9.90s." And Lewis? "It's a big statement. I know there's more to come. He's got a chance of going under 9.90." Where will all that improvement come from? Most obviously from his start, and that actually should be easy. The meeting in Seville on Friday was a dry run for a possible new rule, that if you false-start once, you are eliminated. Traditionally, it's two before you're out. Just one introduces a new element of caution on the blocks. "I wasn't even concentrating on the race properly," said Chambers. "I couldn't start because I was so afraid of false-starting. One twitch and you're out. That's why I procrastinated out of the blocks." So Chambers is a valuable commodity, not simply because he can go so fast and nor because he manages to produce such unlikely phrases as "procrastinating out of the blocks." The fact is we are lucky to have him with us at all. He may stand now on the verge of doing something very special in his sport, yet it was only two months ago that he was in a motorbike accident which could have been the end of him. Outside his Essex home on April 2, while demonstrating his new and powerful bike to friends - no helmet, leathers round his waist - he collided with his own car and was flung 30 metres along the road. "How I wasn't more seriously hurt, I don't know," he said. In the event, dislocations to his shoulder and fingers and several deep cuts to his face were enough for him to declare, some weeks later: "I must be Superman". The injuries may have hospitalised him and put paid to a training trip to California, but they do not seem to have had a negative effect on his speed. How Gardener wishes he were so lucky. Two years ago, he was the coming man of British sprinting, yet he has been hampered by injury almost ever sinc
re: t-and-f: times on NC state records
> At the North Carolina state meet a few yrs ago a team was credited with a > time that established a new state record, 42 something. Everyone knew an > error had been made but all refused to chnage the time to the correct one and > the coach insusted his boys had run that fast even though their prior best > was nowhere near the time they were credited for. That mark still stands. (whoops -- I was overzealous, and cut out most of what David H. said, but it essentially agreed with the above account written by someone else.) David H. wrote: > Reliable people tell me that numerous hand-timers had it at mid-42, possibly > still state record calibre in that division. (Hard to say, since the real > state record is no longer on the books.) The timing was done by a pretty > reliable auto-timer, who has no idea how it happened, but no reasonable > person believes anything under 42.00 was run. This was pointed out > immediately, and repeatedly in the aftermath. I'm pretty sure the state It is possible to make an error and get too fast a time, especially with the the older versions of FinishLynx. It the start signal was received because the starter bumped something (the sensor is very sensitive), and was reset by the operator at just the wrong instant (just after the real start signal was received), and the starter dropped the sensor after the race started providing another signal, one would end up with a time that is too fast. The newer versions of FinishLynx record all start signals received, so that if such a thing happened, one can look at the list of start signals and see if there was one a second of so before the one being used. With the older versions (the only ones for a Mac), it would have been an unrecoverable operator error. With the newer versions, the error is recoverable. This is a rare occurrence in any case, but in a half dozen years of working with the system, it happened once when I was sitting beside the operator. (We knew the time was too good, so we simply told them they would have to go with the hand times.) Pat Palmer
t-and-f: Let the Iverson thing go
"Allen Iverson's best event... probably the 400 or 800. I bet he could be a 45-46 guy and a 1:45-1:47 guy." You guys really don't understand how difficult it is to run 45 seconds in the 400. I see all of you throwing that number around just because a 155 pound guy runs up and down the court with a bunch of 6'7 + guys all weighing 260 and up??? Of course he is going to look fast and BTW mile time doesn't tell you squat about running a 400 at the world calss level or anywhere near it. Next thing you know I'll be hearing how Web is a 45 second quartermiler. DMC While intelligent people can often simplify the complex, a fool is more likely to complicate the simple.
t-and-f: Yeah CBS
While most of you will be busy complaining about the coverage, I am thankful to actually see two track meets in one day. Instead of everybody complaining about what they did not show, why not go to http://www.cbs.com and click on feedback at the bottom of the page, and thank them for showing two meets. Maybe we will get more in the future. John
Re: t-and-f: niyongabo?
Some problem with his foot, at least that was what I heard him saying to one of the managers immediately after the race. PANAYOTIS CHRISTOPOULOS - Original Message - From: "Joel Tetreault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Track&Field Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:18 AM Subject: t-and-f: niyongabo? > > anyone know what happened to niyongabo at chania? (he dnf'd) he has been > in and out of injury for the past three years, sad to see him go through > another year. > > joel > > [.sig] > AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu > Morceli Home Page: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/tetreaul/morceli.html >
t-and-f: TV Track Coverage?
If today's broadcast of the Palo Alto meet is any indication of the quality of the Edmonton Worlds, we are all better off watching reruns of old sitcoms on Nickolodian TV. In the past 20 minutes of coverage, there has been exactly 43 seconds of track action. The rest has been comercials and "banter" from the commentators about up coming meets. Oh well, network TV. Love it or leave it, it is the best (sorry to say) that the U.S. can offer.
Re: t-and-f: NCAA & USATF Champs in Same City
In a message dated Sat, 9 Jun 2001 9:01:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chas. L. Shaffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Dear Listers, Can any of you with full bookshelves dig up whether or not the NCAA Championships and the USATF (previously known as TAC and AAU) Championships were ever held at the same site in the same year before? I'm fairly sure that it hasn't happened in the years since 1960, if ever.>> Chicago, 1923, but the meets were hardly coincidental, since the NCs were on June 16 and the AAU was September 1 (!). "Chicago," 1933, although the AAU was held at Northwestern. gh
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
In a message dated 6/10/01 2:16:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > When Tiger Woods was six he said his son was going to be the best . He was > not > wrongand this was on the TV...when Tiger was six. hmmm > He probably scanned the competition at the time and figured the odds were pretty good for him.
t-and-f: Ryan Hall 1500
Hall's 3:42.70 at Stanford last night made him No. 3 prep ever in the 1500, and if you combine the 1500 and mile to get a more complete picture, he's No. 6 (behind Webb, Ryun, Danielson, Liquori and Sage). Splits: 59.2, 60.2 (1:59.4), 60.3 (2:59.7), 43.0. Last 400 was 57.6. Fell just short of the 3:41.80 needed to qualify for USATF (no idea if he wanted to run there should be so qualify). Thought he showed pretty good racing sense; just didn't quite have the strength of his older competitors on the last lap. gh
t-and-f: Recent women's vault progression
Stacey Dragila's recent domination of the women's vault and her world record bettering 4.81m yesterday at Palo Alto threaten to erase memory of other recent champions. This summary of record improvements and ties since 1995 might provide some perspective on their accomplishments. 4.12* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-06-18Duisburg, GER 4.13* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-06-24Wesel, GER 4.14* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-06-25Gateshead, ENG 4.15* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-07-05Ostrava 4.16* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-07-15Gisingen, AUT 4.17Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-07-16Gisingen, AUT 4.18Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-07-22Salzburg, AUT 4.18* Andrea Müller (GER)95-08-05Zweibrücken 4.20* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-08-18Köln, GER 4.21* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-08-22Linz, AUT 4.22* Daniela Bártová (CZE) 95-09-11Salgotarjan, HUN 4.23* Sun Caiyun (CHN) 95-11-05Shenzhen 4.25* Emma George (AUS) 95-11-30Melbourne 4.28* Emma George (AUS) 95-12-17Perth 4.30Emma George (AUS) 96-01-28Perth 4.41* Emma George (AUS) 96-01-28Perth 4.42* Emma George (AUS) 96-06-29Reims, FRA 4.45* Emma George (AUS) 96-07-14Sapporo, JPN 4.50* Emma George (AUS) 97-02-08Melbourne 4.55* Emma George (AUS) 97-02-20Melbourne 4.57Emma George (AUS) 98-02-21Auckland, NZL 4.58* Emma George (AUS) 98-03-14Melbourne 4.59* Emma George (AUS) 98-03-21Brisbane 4.60* Emma George (AUS) 99-02-20Sydney 4.60* Stacy Dragila (USA) 99-08-21Sevilla 4.60? Stacy Dragila (USA) 00-05-14Modesto 4.62Stacy Dragila (USA) 00-05-26Phoenix 4.63* Stacy Dragila (USA) 00-07-23Sacramento 4.66* Stacy Dragila (USA) 01-04-27Pocatello 4.70* Stacy Dragila (USA) 01-04-27Pocatello 4.81Stacy Dragila (USA) 01-06-09Palo Alto * - marks known to be ratified by the IAAF as world records. The list includes unratified marks recorded in apparently legitimate competitions, but does not include exhibition, "market square," and beach vault marks. I'd appreciate any information on whether the Modesto 4.60 was ratified, or why not. It can be seen that, while Bártová still has more record-breaking or -tying vaults than Dragila, Stacy's 21cm (8 1/4") improvement on the record already is double that of Daniela (10cm/4"). Emma still is well in the lead, with a dozen record-breaking performances and 35cm (13 3/4") in record improvements.
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
Sorry, I was thinking JT was referring to 3:53 as 1500 metre time! The mile isn't as prominent in these parts. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Eldredge-Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "phalford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner? > There is a huge difference between 3:53 guys and 3:45 1500m guys! > > -drew
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
When Tiger Woods was six he said his son was going to be the best . He was not wrongand this was on the TV...when Tiger was six. hmmm alan tobin wrote: > That's a big statement. Of course Tiger's dad probably thinks Tiger could > have beaten Ali in a boxing match and Tiger is bigger than MLK Jr. Tiger's > dad seems a bit off to me. I bet there's a whole skeleton army in that > family's closet. > > Alan > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner? > >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:34:59 EDT > > > >In a message dated 6/9/01 2:16:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but > > > could he have been a great runner as well? > > > I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport > > > that > > > he pursued. > > > > > > >Tiger Wood's Dad said if Tiger had concentrated on track (at which he was > >fairly good I think) he'd have beaten Michael Johnson in the 400m. > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
That's a big statement. Of course Tiger's dad probably thinks Tiger could have beaten Ali in a boxing match and Tiger is bigger than MLK Jr. Tiger's dad seems a bit off to me. I bet there's a whole skeleton army in that family's closet. Alan >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner? >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:34:59 EDT > >In a message dated 6/9/01 2:16:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but > > could he have been a great runner as well? > > I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport > > that > > he pursued. > > > >Tiger Wood's Dad said if Tiger had concentrated on track (at which he was >fairly good I think) he'd have beaten Michael Johnson in the 400m. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: Minnesota State Meet
800 Trent Riter1:49.76 - beats state meet record of Steve Holman, a few tenths behind all time state record set by Jason Owen Tom Schmidt1:51.82 - only junior in the field Bill Bowser1:52.98 Dan Knappmiller1:53.22 Zach Swartzendruber1:53.91 Ben Hanson1:54.21 Jon Gargano1:54.49 all of these times are in the top 50 all time in MN history, the last two years have seen a renaissance in half miling in MN, that's what happens when people start going out in 54 1600 Schneider4:08.51 - halfway in 2:04, last lap in 60, last 200 smoking Ben Hanson4:13.56 Mike Van Beusekom4:17.49 - sophomore 3200 Schneider9:12.42 - checking splits written on his hand every lap, totally unpressed 4x800 St. Paul Central7:51.50 Eden Prarie7:52.18 Wayzata7:54.09 Winona7:56.23
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
> > Uh, maybe I'm wrong butcan't most WC guys who run 3:53 and better run > at > > least 47-48? Just wonderin'. I assume you mean 3:53 for the mile not the 1500. I think it varies greatly. I bet at least half of the WC qualifiers can run 47 point (regardless of whether they actually have done it in a meet). But I've coached a number of 4:20-4:40 milers whose best quarter was only 7-8 seconds per lap faster than their mile pace, so I suspect that a few of the WC qualifiers might be around 50 or just under for their best. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Bannister
Phil is correct. The 4:53 that I gave as his freshman mile was run in October '46, at the start of his freshman year. That may have been his first mile race. The 4:24.6 was run in June 1947. Ed. - Original Message - From: "Philip J Wyckoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: t-and-f: Bannister > My reading of Bannister's career shows him running 4.24.6 in 1947, and he > came to Oxford in Fall of 1946. which I think makes him a Freshman. He > never ran on a track or wore spikes prior to Oxford. > > Phil Wyckoff > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
There is a huge difference between 3:53 guys and 3:45 1500m guys! -drew On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, phalford wrote: > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner? > > > > Uh, maybe I'm wrong butcan't most WC guys who run 3:53 and better run > at > > least 47-48? Just wonderin'. > > > I doubt it - otherwise you'd see 3:45 1500m guys representing their > countries at 4x4 relay legs. >
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner? > Uh, maybe I'm wrong butcan't most WC guys who run 3:53 and better run at > least 47-48? Just wonderin'. I doubt it - otherwise you'd see 3:45 1500m guys representing their countries at 4x4 relay legs.
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Uh, maybe I'm wrong butcan't most WC guys who run 3:53 and better run at >least 47-48? Just wonderin'. Probably. And even most American high school kids who have run 3:53 have also run 47 on a relay. Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: 100-800 double
Maybe it's old news, but an impressive 100-800 double at the Oregon HS State meet. malmo PLACE ATHLETE NAME YR SCHOOLTIME PTS = = == = === 1 Eli Markstrom 12 South Eugene 10.84 0.8 10 2 T Harris 11 Grant 10.96 0.8 8 3 Marc Benton 11 McMinnville 10.97 0.8 6 4 Jan Olszowy 12 South Eugene 11.01 0.8 5 5 Reggie Kerney 11 Benson11.03 0.8 4 6 Travis Ramme 10 Sheldon 11.15 0.8 3 7 Parker Lane 12 Grants Pass 11.18 0.8 2 8 Scott Coleman 12 Westview 11.19 0.8 1 Class 4A Boys 800 Meter Dash * State Meet: 1:50.73 Mike Miller, Tigard, 1979 : 1:46.45 Michael Granville, Bell Gardens HS, CA 1996 Finals - Results - Saturday 05/26/01 PLACE ATHLETE NAME YR SCHOOLTIME PTS = = == = = === 1 Jan Olszowy 12 South Eugene 1:50.74 10 2 Lauren Jespersen 10 Klamath Union 1:52.54 8 3 John Connolly 11 Jesuit1:54.05 6 4 Joaquin Chapa 10 Grant 1:54.42 5 5 Carlos Ontiveros 12 McKay 1:54.65 4 6 Dustin Lehman 11 McMinnville 1:55.20 3 7 Nick Ballard 12 Marshfield1:55.94 2 8 Bobby King12 Barlow1:58.56 1
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
Uh, maybe I'm wrong butcan't most WC guys who run 3:53 and better run at least 47-48? Just wonderin'. JT
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
In a message dated 6/9/01 2:16:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but could he have been a great runner as well? I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport that he pursued. Tiger Wood's Dad said if Tiger had concentrated on track (at which he was fairly good I think) he'd have beaten Michael Johnson in the 400m.
t-and-f: Peregrine MNS SP RESULTS
I'm sure the Stanford crowd liked the fast middle distance times but Godina and Dragila stole the show. Godina's series (thanks to flashresults.com): John Godina21.87 21.44 21.79 21.95 21.06 21.50 21.95 (72-0.25) 1. No fouls. All the other competitors had at least 1. 2. His worst mark 69-1.25 (21.06) beat 2nd place 68-3.25 (20.81) 3. I believe Nelson was throwing in his home circle.
t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: High School Runner Faces Some Unusual Challenges
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] / advertisement ---\ Let NYTimes.com Come to You Sign up for one of our weekly e-mails and the news will come directly to you. YOUR MONEY brings you a wealth of analysis and information about personal investing. CIRCUITS plugs you into the latest on personal technology. TRAVEL DISPATCH offers you a jump on special travel deals and news. http://email.nytimes.com/email/email.jsp?eta5 \--/ High School Runner Faces Some Unusual Challenges By DAVID BLOCK oyal Mitchell is a typical elite high school runner in many ways: He has run impressive races and he won his conference title in the 200 meters in April in 21.70 seconds, qualifying for the national Adidas Outdoor Championships next weekend in Raleigh, N.C. But there is something about Mitchell, who is from South Carolina, that sets him apart. Royal Mitchell is partially blind. Royal was born with myopia, a condition that impairs his vision, which is close to 20/200. He wears glasses, holds reading material close to his face and can see his coach only if he is within 30 feet; otherwise, he must follow his coach's voice. Nevertheless, the 6-foot-1, 160-pound Mitchell considers himself an athlete first, the same as his teammates at Spartanburg High. "My parents didn't teach me to be different," Mitchell said. "I don't see myself as different. I'm equal to everyone." Still, Mitchell's myopia can present problems on the track. At the state high school qualifying meet in Columbia, S.C., he finished sixth in the 400 meters in 49.58 seconds, primarily because he thought he had already crossed the finish line. "I know he would have run 48.97, but 10 meters before the finish line, he slowed up and three guys passed him," Spartanburg Coach Glover Smiley said. "I told Royal he could have broken 49 seconds." Smiley has told Mitchell, who was upset with himself after learning of the mistake, that he is to keep running until Smiley yells "Stop!" Mitchell attends both Spartanburg High and the South Carolina School for the Deaf and Blind, where he began running track in 1998. "Royal was a lot smaller and a lot skinnier then," said Jack Todd, one of the track coaches at the school for the deaf and blind, remembering when he first met Mitchell. "When he asked if he could join us, I said, `If you can keep up.' He kept up with us as we ran a two-mile loop, but he was exhausted." It was just the kind of challenge that inspires Mitchell, who joined the track team. At Todd's urging, Mitchell also joined the United States Association of Blind Athletes, and in the summer of 1998, at the Youth Games for the Blind in the Czech Republic, Mitchell won the 400 meters in 59.83. Then, in October 2000, Mitchell won the gold medal in the 400 at the Paralympics in Sydney, Australia, clocking 50.64 seconds. Todd then suggested that Mitchell join the Spartanburg High track team because it had a more rigorous training program. "At first Royal wasn't sure the other kids on the team would accept him," Smiley said, "but they accepted him right away. He brought so much enthusiasm and energy to the team." This past season, Mitchell was named the team's most valuable performer. Mitchell's ultimate goal is to run in the Olympic Games. Todd and Smiley believe it is possible because Mitchell's times are competitive with the best high school runners in the nation and his improvement curve has been sharp. The best high school time for the 100 meters this spring was 10.30 seconds, by Dabryan Blanton of Forney, Tex. Mitchell's best 100 is 11.04, which he ran at the Pan American Games for the Blind, which were held in Spartanburg last week. Blanton also has the fastest 200 meters this year, 20.37; Mitchell's best is 21.70. In the 400, Mitchell is farther off the pace; the season's best time is 46.12 by Darold Williamson of San Antonio; Mitchell's best time is 49.58. Mitchell said that his Olympic ambitions were his own and that he had not been influenced by Marla Runyan, the partially blind runner who reached the Olympic final in the 1,500 meters last September in Sydney. Mitchell, sounding much like Runyan, summed it up by saying: "I don't look at myself being disabled. Track is track, disabilities or no disabilities." http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/sports/10MITC.html?ex=993171432&ei=1&en=7a0d2de7cb712e56 /-\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-/ HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York
t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Marion Jones Joins NBC as a Reporter
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] / advertisement ---\ Let NYTimes.com Come to You Sign up for one of our weekly e-mails and the news will come directly to you. YOUR MONEY brings you a wealth of analysis and information about personal investing. CIRCUITS plugs you into the latest on personal technology. TRAVEL DISPATCH offers you a jump on special travel deals and news. http://email.nytimes.com/email/email.jsp?eta5 \--/ Marion Jones Joins NBC as a Reporter By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS arion Jones, the first woman to win five track and field medals in a single Olympics, is becoming a television reporter in basketball. Jones has joined NBC Sports as a sideline reporter for Women's National Basketball Association games. She was a standout point guard for two years at the University of North Carolina before turning to track and field full time. Her first game will be today, when the Houston Comets play the Phoenix Mercury. "Journalism and basketball have always been a passion of mine," said Jones, a journalism major in college. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/sports/10WNBA.html?ex=993181660&ei=1&en=b2b19397fe7de245 /-\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-/ HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
Re: t-and-f: Peregrine WMNS PV RESULTS
In a message dated 6/9/01 10:56:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Back to reality and the inhuman efforts of Stacy Dragila! 1. Stacy Dragila, USA 4.81m (15-09.25); 2. Kellie Suttle, USA 4.41m (14-05.50); 3. Mary Sauer, USA 4.31m (14-01.75); 4. Melissa Mueller, USA 4.31m (14-01.75); >> And she had at least one reasonable attempt at 16-0! Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: best mile improvements since high school
It is true that the first sub 4-minute mile was at Oxford and it is true that Roger Bannister attended Oxford University. However, he had already left Oxford University when he ran the 3:59.4. He, along with Chris Brasher and Chris Chataway, were running for the AAA (the English t/f association at the time) in the then annual dual match AGAINST Oxford University. David Dallman On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Steve Grathwohl wrote: > At 07:36 AM 6/8/01 -0700, Tim Willis wrote: > >List members: > > > >A few days ago, there was talk about the best improvements since high school > >in the mile. One name that was not mentioned was Dick Buerkle. I went on a > >run with him this morning and he mentioned that his high school best was > >4:28, his senior yerar. His Senior year was his first year of competitive > >running. I believe his official best ever ended up being 3:54 indoors. > > > >Just curious to know if the person that was compiling that list had Dick > >Buerkle anywhere on it? > > > >Tim Willis > >(770) 939-7669 > > I don't have "The Four-Minute Mile" with me, but if Roger Bannister broke > 5 minutes in "high school" (before he got to Oxford) then it wasn't by much. > > Steve > > > -- > Steve Grathwohl * [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "I cannot see how to refute the arguments for the subjectivity of ethical > values, > but I find myself incapable of believing that all > that is wrong with wanton cruelty is that I don't like it." > -- Bertrand Russell > >
