t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Contopoulos

OK, why is distance running not popular in the US but fly fishing gets great 
ESPN time?  Why can't the general public watch a 13 minute 5k, but I have 
co-workers (in NYC, not down south) getting amped to work half a day so they 
can sit on their couch and watch machines speed around a track 500 times?  
Its all about advertising.  Television advertising.  Now, I tried a few 
years ago to e-mail Craig Masback about this and all I kept getting in 
response was: USATF's budget is only a million dollars, we can't do 
anything about it.

Well, my first issue is, if USATF's budget is really only a million bucks, 
Masback and his crew SUCK!  I could probably raise a million dollars given a 
year's time for something much less interesting than the development of 
America's Track and Field athletes.  Come on!  Having said that, once 
someone, ANYONE, raises enough money to air commercials for USATF, I have a 
great idea to help promote the support.  It will help sponsors like Nike, 
Adidas and Fila, too, because the whole point of the campaign would be to 
get American Distance runners exposure.  The more people who know who Tim 
Broe is, the more runners who are likely to buy adidas shoes, and the more 
likely people are to go watch meets on TV, and the more likely people are to 
pay money to actually go and sit in the stands of a competition.  OK... so 
here is my idea:

You take about 7 athletes...

Krumenacker
Ritz
Webb
Broe
Meb
Goucher
Kennedy

and you have a split screen on the TV.  Half of the screen is the person 
from the chest on up talking, the second half of the screen is a clip of him 
in his event... preferably a clip of him winning a race, beating an African, 
setting a record, etc.  These are things the general public can relate to.

The clip would go something like this:

My name is Bob Kennedy, I'm 32 years old and the American Record Holder in 
the 3000 and 5000 meters.  When I'm hot, I can run with anyone in the world, 
Kenyans, Moroccans, American's.  Some people think I'm too old to continue 
at this level... well, they have a lot to learn.

My name is Tim Broe, I'm 24 years old and the American Record Holder in the 
indoor 3000 meters.  Bob Kennedy better realize, the torch of American 
Distance Running has been passed, only this time, I'm bringing home a medal 
in 2004

My name is Alan Webb, I'm 19 years old and the High School mile record 
holder.  In 3 years time, I'm going to be chasing gold in Greece.

Etc etc etc.

I know, perhaps my clips aren't very original or engaging enough, but I'm 
not an advertising exec... I just think its a good idea to try and get the 
public to know who these guys are and to build up some rivalries even if 
they don't really exist.  Have Goucher come on and shoot his mouth about 
being the best until being dethroned (a clip of him beating Kennedy would be 
a good one).  Have them all talk about beating Kenyans and how they have 
done it (Ritz at 3k Cross for example, or Webb chasing down the WR holder 
El G at Pre) a number of times and how they are closing the gap.  Steal one 
of Nike's advertising geniuses, I'm sure they could put together an exciting 
and somewhat controversial commercial.  Something as small as this, run on a 
few prime time stations, would stir up National interest immensely.  Why has 
this not happened yet?  What is Craig waiting for?  And what do you all 
think about the idea?

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Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Contopoulos

Also, as I was so politely reminded, this is a co-ed sport, and I would love 
to see the same idea with America's top women distance runners.  Between 
Suzy, Deena, Hazel Clark, Rudolph, etc, there are plenty of women who can 
run with the best of the world.

Mike


From: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:19:10 -0500

OK, why is distance running not popular in the US but fly fishing gets 
great
ESPN time?  Why can't the general public watch a 13 minute 5k, but I have
co-workers (in NYC, not down south) getting amped to work half a day so 
they
can sit on their couch and watch machines speed around a track 500 times?
Its all about advertising.  Television advertising.  Now, I tried a few
years ago to e-mail Craig Masback about this and all I kept getting in
response was: USATF's budget is only a million dollars, we can't do
anything about it.

Well, my first issue is, if USATF's budget is really only a million bucks,
Masback and his crew SUCK!  I could probably raise a million dollars given 
a
year's time for something much less interesting than the development of
America's Track and Field athletes.  Come on!  Having said that, once
someone, ANYONE, raises enough money to air commercials for USATF, I have a
great idea to help promote the support.  It will help sponsors like Nike,
Adidas and Fila, too, because the whole point of the campaign would be to
get American Distance runners exposure.  The more people who know who Tim
Broe is, the more runners who are likely to buy adidas shoes, and the more
likely people are to go watch meets on TV, and the more likely people are 
to
pay money to actually go and sit in the stands of a competition.  OK... so
here is my idea:

You take about 7 athletes...

Krumenacker
Ritz
Webb
Broe
Meb
Goucher
Kennedy

and you have a split screen on the TV.  Half of the screen is the person
from the chest on up talking, the second half of the screen is a clip of 
him
in his event... preferably a clip of him winning a race, beating an 
African,
setting a record, etc.  These are things the general public can relate to.

The clip would go something like this:

My name is Bob Kennedy, I'm 32 years old and the American Record Holder in
the 3000 and 5000 meters.  When I'm hot, I can run with anyone in the 
world,
Kenyans, Moroccans, American's.  Some people think I'm too old to continue
at this level... well, they have a lot to learn.

My name is Tim Broe, I'm 24 years old and the American Record Holder in 
the
indoor 3000 meters.  Bob Kennedy better realize, the torch of American
Distance Running has been passed, only this time, I'm bringing home a medal
in 2004

My name is Alan Webb, I'm 19 years old and the High School mile record
holder.  In 3 years time, I'm going to be chasing gold in Greece.

Etc etc etc.

I know, perhaps my clips aren't very original or engaging enough, but I'm
not an advertising exec... I just think its a good idea to try and get the
public to know who these guys are and to build up some rivalries even if
they don't really exist.  Have Goucher come on and shoot his mouth about
being the best until being dethroned (a clip of him beating Kennedy would 
be
a good one).  Have them all talk about beating Kenyans and how they have
done it (Ritz at 3k Cross for example, or Webb chasing down the WR holder
El G at Pre) a number of times and how they are closing the gap.  Steal one
of Nike's advertising geniuses, I'm sure they could put together an 
exciting
and somewhat controversial commercial.  Something as small as this, run on 
a
few prime time stations, would stir up National interest immensely.  Why 
has
this not happened yet?  What is Craig waiting for?  And what do you all
think about the idea?

Mike

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t-and-f: Peter Maher

2002-01-30 Thread Martin J. Dixon

A couple of Can listers were wondering what ever happened to former Can
marathon runner and 30km world record holder Maher. He was supposed to be
living and coaching some runners in Florida. Does anyone know?
Regards,


Martin







t-and-f: Looking a gift horse (was USATF Advertising idea...)

2002-01-30 Thread JimRTimes

I've heard that Omega/Swatch timing offered to PAY $25,000 to USATF to time 
the indoor nationals at the Armory in March. Apparently someone at USATF felt 
that figure wasn't high enough, turned them down, and now someone else is 
doing the timing, and - get this - USATF is PAYING for it.

If true, that's great economic sense. Someone offers you a free steak dinner 
but you turn it down because it's not filet mignon, and you wind up paying to 
eat at MacDonalds. Brilliant!

Jim Gerweck
Running Times



Re: t-and-f: NYT - U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements

2002-01-30 Thread Harold Richards

Chris,
The hypocracy goes deeper than just the USOC.
We have Runner's World featuring a story on the cover to run farther with a 
banned drug. The best known coffee shop sells tea containing a banned 
substance.
Watch out for your Mac-N-Cheese, it may be next.
Harold


From: Christopher Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Christopher Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Worldwide Track  Field Listserv [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: NYT - U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:42:26 -0500

From today's New York Times...

   U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements

   American Olympic officials send their athletes contradictory
   and, to some critics, hypocritical messages about
   nutritional supplements.
   http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/30/olympics/30OLYM.html?todaysheadlines





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Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Contopoulos

Alan, I can't disagree with you more... on just about everything you said.  
To begin with, being a northerner, I can tell you that NASCAR is beginning 
to bridge the gap between the redneck south and north.  I work at a Hedge 
Fund, full with people who drive porche's, not a '75 Corvette propped up on 
blocks, who are going home, I think tomorrow, or maybe Friday, to watch 
NASCAR.  In addition, many of my friends in college have started watching it 
as well.  I went to a northern university and many of these friends are New 
Yorkers.

Second, perhaps the first reason people ever watched NASCAR was to see a 
crash.  Once popularity builds, and you understand the drivers, the cars, 
the rivalries, it becomes more about the race and the competition between 
the athletes and their machines than witnessing a wreck.  A perfect 
example of this is me.  I'll give NASCAR a chance, as my friends did, not 
because I want to see another Dale Ernhardt catastrophe, but because I see 
my boys getting amped at the competition and rivalry.  A crash is the last 
thing on my mind... if anything I hope they DON'T happen.  Who wants to see 
Booby Labonte out of the race on the second lap because of a crash.  Its 
like seeing El G go down in the last lap of the 1996 Olympic Final.  NO FUN!

As for running.  We need less fluff pieces about all the hardships runners 
endure, and more action.  What would you rather see... Tim Broe talk about 
how he lost his cat in 5th grade and that's why he decided to start running? 
  Or 7:39 seconds of dueling it out with Leonard Mucheru... changing leads 
and splitting 4:01 for the last mile?  The announcers should have bios on 
each athlete and let them talk about those interesting tidbits as the race 
goes on... no reason to pull away from the action.  And if you think John Q 
Public will go away feeling cheated cause Broe got outkicked by Mucheru, 
you're crazy.  No way, no how.  Same with when BK took the lead in the 
Olympic 5k... I don't think any American would really come away from that 
race thinking it sucked.  My non-runner friends hate watching track BECAUSE 
of all the downtime where there is no action.  Show 1-2 hours of races and 
end it.  No more FLUFF!
Mike

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Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Harold Richards

Wow!
I think that you are on to something.
Let's start WWT.
We'll capture their interest with the wacked out stuff and then once they 
catch on we'll have them for the real stuff.
I can picture something like the roller derby 400. Helmets, shin 
guards,elbow pads-all included.
The mile team race could take on a whole new meaning.
The fans could have dart guns and try to hit the pole vaulters.
Acuff could wear the same outfit that she had in Rolling Stone.
I can't wait.
Harold


From: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:16:33 -0500

Alan, I can't disagree with you more... on just about everything you said.
To begin with, being a northerner, I can tell you that NASCAR is beginning
to bridge the gap between the redneck south and north.  I work at a Hedge
Fund, full with people who drive porche's, not a '75 Corvette propped up 
on
blocks, who are going home, I think tomorrow, or maybe Friday, to watch
NASCAR.  In addition, many of my friends in college have started watching 
it
as well.  I went to a northern university and many of these friends are New
Yorkers.

Second, perhaps the first reason people ever watched NASCAR was to see a
crash.  Once popularity builds, and you understand the drivers, the cars,
the rivalries, it becomes more about the race and the competition between
the athletes and their machines than witnessing a wreck.  A perfect
example of this is me.  I'll give NASCAR a chance, as my friends did, not
because I want to see another Dale Ernhardt catastrophe, but because I see
my boys getting amped at the competition and rivalry.  A crash is the last
thing on my mind... if anything I hope they DON'T happen.  Who wants to see
Booby Labonte out of the race on the second lap because of a crash.  Its
like seeing El G go down in the last lap of the 1996 Olympic Final.  NO 
FUN!

As for running.  We need less fluff pieces about all the hardships 
runners
endure, and more action.  What would you rather see... Tim Broe talk about
how he lost his cat in 5th grade and that's why he decided to start 
running?
  Or 7:39 seconds of dueling it out with Leonard Mucheru... changing leads
and splitting 4:01 for the last mile?  The announcers should have bios on
each athlete and let them talk about those interesting tidbits as the race
goes on... no reason to pull away from the action.  And if you think John Q
Public will go away feeling cheated cause Broe got outkicked by Mucheru,
you're crazy.  No way, no how.  Same with when BK took the lead in the
Olympic 5k... I don't think any American would really come away from that
race thinking it sucked.  My non-runner friends hate watching track BECAUSE
of all the downtime where there is no action.  Show 1-2 hours of races and
end it.  No more FLUFF!
Mike

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t-and-f: Know what is in your body

2002-01-30 Thread Harold Richards


Every athlete in our sport knows that he/she has the responsibility to know 
what is in their body.

Ignorance is no excuse.

Everyone makes a leap of faith every day.

You trust the water in most areas.
You trust the milk on your cereal.
You trust the hot dog.
Do you trust your multi vitamin?
Do you trust the brand name grocery store protein drink?

Where does it get grey?
Harold


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RE: t-and-f: NYT - U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements

2002-01-30 Thread Mcewen, Brian T

 We have Runner's World featuring a story on the cover to run farther with
a 
banned drug. The best known coffee shop sells tea containing a banned 
substance. 


Pipe down.

Every grocery, drug and convenience store in the U.S. sells cold remedies
with pseudoephedrine in them.  Professional athletes should know to avoid
coffee, ginseng, ma huang, ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, among other common
and not-so-common substances.  This awareness is part of being professional.
This has been covered many times on the list.  Starbuck's and Runner's World
have nothing to do with athletic performance or any athletes good enough to
be drug-tested.

/Brian McEwen

-Original Message-
From: Harold Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYT - U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements


Chris,
The hypocracy goes deeper than just the USOC.
We have Runner's World featuring a story on the cover to run farther with a 
banned drug. The best known coffee shop sells tea containing a banned 
substance.
Watch out for your Mac-N-Cheese, it may be next.
Harold


From: Christopher Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Christopher Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Worldwide Track  Field Listserv [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: NYT - U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:42:26 -0500

From today's New York Times...

   U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements

   American Olympic officials send their athletes contradictory
   and, to some critics, hypocritical messages about
   nutritional supplements.
   http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/30/olympics/30OLYM.html?todaysheadlines





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Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Mike Prizy

No, three words brought back the NBA from near death: Magic, Larry, and Michael. Zippy 
the Chimp
could have written that advertising campaign.

Michael Contopoulos wrote:

 Glen,

 Nominate me to head USATF and I'll do better than that.  I will prove your
 assertations false while raising millions of dollars and developing a core
 set of distance and middle distace runners capable of running with and
 beating anybody on the scene.  I'm a man with little tolerance for
 incompetence, and sadly, that is all I see in USATF.  Being 24 years old
 with nothing more than a bachelor's degree and 2 years work experience, I
 don't think I am in the best position to make an impact like I would like to
 someday.  HOWEVER, I can tell you this much, given the authority and power
 to surround myself with knowledgable people, older and wiser than myself, I
 am 100% confident I can out lead Craig Masback and bring this sport to a new
 level.  Look at soccer: a sport similar to t-n-f in that there is wide high
 school participation, it is huge in Europe, but the post college domestic
 scene was seriously lacking.  It is still not where it wants to be, but
 soccer is surely worlds ahead of track and field in this country.  And you
 are wrong about advertising... the NBA was about to go broke when an
 agressive advertising campaign and restructuring plan under commssioner
 David Stern brought it back from the dead.  You are underestimating the
 power TV.

 Mike

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...
 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:21:53 EST
 
 In a message dated 1/30/02 8:23:59 AM Central Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
   OK, why is distance running not popular in the US but fly fishing gets
 great
   ESPN time?  Why can't the general public watch a 13 minute 5k, but I
 have
   co-workers (in NYC, not down south) getting amped to work half a day so
   they
   can sit on their couch and watch machines speed around a track 500
 times?
   Its all about advertising.  Television advertising.
 
 Michael... it is NOT all about television advertising. In fact, I would
 posit
 that the popularity (or lack thereof) of distance running in the U.S. has
 little to do with the sport's TV exposure. Heck, they can show baseball 24
 hours a day on TV and I still won't like it, or watch it. Same goes for
 beer... surely the most advertised product on primetime sports TV, but I
 still am not remotely interested in it. And NASCAR? Heck, I live in the
 south and I wouldn't watch that garbage if it was the ONLY thing on TV.
 
 People like what they like for odd reasons, and no amount of slapping them
 in
 the face with endless cute or touching or cool ads will change that
 much.
 
 As for your assertion that you could easily raise millions of dollars for
 an
 ad campaign... then just do it (sorry, Nike...). Talk is cheap. Once you
 get
 that first million, come back and share with us how easy it was. And by the
 way, you'll have to operate under the same restrictions as USATF, i.e. no
 ownership of athletes and their images.
 
 Glen McMicken

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Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Contopoulos

And have you seen 3 guys marketed any better?  Why can't Broe and Goucher or 
Alan Webb be marketed similarly?  And don't say because they aren't the 
best in the world... because the general public need not know that right 
now.  And hyping them up may instill, God forbid, some confidence in these 
guys that will propell them to super stardom.  You have to think a bit 
outside the box here, otherwise we're stuck in the same old rut we have 
been.  Whining how it will never happen is just exasberating the problem.  
You don't think my idea will work, that is fine.  Lets hear something 
else... just not the same old tired tune about how no one cares about track 
but us.  I call BS!  Obviously there is interest... track and field has to 
be the sport most participated by high schoolers.

Still searching for meaningful comments,
Mike


From: Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:50:51 -0600

No, three words brought back the NBA from near death: Magic, Larry, and 
Michael. Zippy the Chimp
could have written that advertising campaign.

Michael Contopoulos wrote:

  Glen,
 
  Nominate me to head USATF and I'll do better than that.  I will prove 
your
  assertations false while raising millions of dollars and developing a 
core
  set of distance and middle distace runners capable of running with and
  beating anybody on the scene.  I'm a man with little tolerance for
  incompetence, and sadly, that is all I see in USATF.  Being 24 years old
  with nothing more than a bachelor's degree and 2 years work experience, 
I
  don't think I am in the best position to make an impact like I would 
like to
  someday.  HOWEVER, I can tell you this much, given the authority and 
power
  to surround myself with knowledgable people, older and wiser than 
myself, I
  am 100% confident I can out lead Craig Masback and bring this sport to a 
new
  level.  Look at soccer: a sport similar to t-n-f in that there is wide 
high
  school participation, it is huge in Europe, but the post college 
domestic
  scene was seriously lacking.  It is still not where it wants to be, but
  soccer is surely worlds ahead of track and field in this country.  And 
you
  are wrong about advertising... the NBA was about to go broke when an
  agressive advertising campaign and restructuring plan under commssioner
  David Stern brought it back from the dead.  You are underestimating the
  power TV.
 
  Mike
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...
  Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:21:53 EST
  
  In a message dated 1/30/02 8:23:59 AM Central Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
OK, why is distance running not popular in the US but fly fishing 
gets
  great
ESPN time?  Why can't the general public watch a 13 minute 5k, but I
  have
co-workers (in NYC, not down south) getting amped to work half a day 
so
they
can sit on their couch and watch machines speed around a track 500
  times?
Its all about advertising.  Television advertising.
  
  Michael... it is NOT all about television advertising. In fact, I would
  posit
  that the popularity (or lack thereof) of distance running in the U.S. 
has
  little to do with the sport's TV exposure. Heck, they can show baseball 
24
  hours a day on TV and I still won't like it, or watch it. Same goes for
  beer... surely the most advertised product on primetime sports TV, but 
I
  still am not remotely interested in it. And NASCAR? Heck, I live in 
the
  south and I wouldn't watch that garbage if it was the ONLY thing on 
TV.
  
  People like what they like for odd reasons, and no amount of slapping 
them
  in
  the face with endless cute or touching or cool ads will change 
that
  much.
  
  As for your assertion that you could easily raise millions of dollars 
for
  an
  ad campaign... then just do it (sorry, Nike...). Talk is cheap. Once 
you
  get
  that first million, come back and share with us how easy it was. And by 
the
  way, you'll have to operate under the same restrictions as USATF, i.e. 
no
  ownership of athletes and their images.
  
  Glen McMicken
 
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Re: t-and-f: Know what is in your body

2002-01-30 Thread Dan Kaplan

This is a little off topic, but somewhat related to Harold's questions.  I
am allergic to wheat, among other things.  I was buying corn pasta in bulk
for a while, but I was always a bit suspicious of the labling:  100% corn
pasta...  Every other bulk food was labled with everything in it, no
triple dot action.  After some time, I started feeling increasingly
unwell, and eventually began throwing up after dinner.  I stopped eating
that pasta, thinking that may have been the culprit.  Next time I went
back to the store and checked, sure enough, they had relabled it to 100%
wheat flour.  :-(

Just one little example of how ludicrous it is to expect athletes to know
everything that goes into their bodies.  I've had issues with other
products I eat regularly change their ingredients without changing the
packaging, catching me off-guard.  Eventually, the packaging does change,
probably due to consumer outrage.  So, even if someone means well, we
can't really assume what they are consuming is correctly or consistently
labled.  Just finding something good and sticking with it may mean you get
stuck with an unlucky change in ingredients come random testing day.

One more reason I say drug testing cannot possibly help the sport.

Dan

--- Harold Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Every athlete in our sport knows that he/she has the
 responsibility to know what is in their body.
 
 Ignorance is no excuse.
 
 Everyone makes a leap of faith every day.
 
 You trust the water in most areas.
 You trust the milk on your cereal.
 You trust the hot dog.
 Do you trust your multi vitamin?
 Do you trust the brand name grocery store protein drink?


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t-and-f: USATF as Enron: Rethinking the hiring of CEO?

2002-01-30 Thread TrackCEO

Y ask:

Go easy on Brother Michael. He has some good ideas about juicing up interest 
in the sport. But the key issue we're dancing around needs to be addressed as 
well:

Has USATF CEO Craig Masback performed as expected?

Given the incredible hole he was in from the start, Craigo's done some 
relatively miraculous things to jump-start USATF, erase its deficit, create 
the Golden Spike Tours, raise the sport's profile a bit, etc.

But keep in mind that he came out of a lawyer-TV-commentator-athlete 
background. He's not a professional sports administrator. (Yes, he was on 
TAC's marketing and media committee, but didn't have a lot to show for it.) 
He has his limitations.

So let's return to 1997 for a moment. Ollan Cassell has been CEO for 32 
years. USATF is casting about for a succcessor to remove Cassell's bad taste. 
It hires Korn/Ferry, a Washington, D.C., search firm to screen applicants.

Korn/Ferry comes up with some remarkable finalists besides Masback:

One is H. Thomas Chestnut of Merion Station, Pa., a former executive vice 
president of the NBA's Philadelphia 76ers.  A member of two Ivy League 
basketball championship teams at Princeton, Chestnut played pro hoops in the 
Netherlands, France and Italy for four years. Held marketing positions at 
three companies and served as a SportsChannel executive. Chestnut also worked 
for the Cleveland Cavaliers. 

The other is Robert C. Vowels Jr., Naperville, Ill., an assistant 
commissioner for the Big Ten. (He's now the commissioner of the Southern 
Intercollegiate Athletic Conference). Vowels played football at Duke and 
received a law degree from North Carolina Central. After working for human 
services agencies in Tennessee, he became an assistant athletic director at 
Vanderbilt University. In the Big Ten,  his responsibilities at conference 
headquarters included sponsorship, licensing and marketing.

So when the 23-member USATF exec board met in San Francisco in May 1997 to 
choose a winner, it had a hard choice to make. The board decided to go with 
the Guy Everyone Knew, as opposed to the Guy Nobody Knew Who Could Get the 
Job Done.

A personal anecdote:

Back around 1978, I was a finalist for the staff writer opening at TFN 
(replacing Tom Jordan, as it were).  My competition was another young man 
named John B. (I'll protect his identity here, but U can ask for it 
privately). He was the son of a longtime track official who knew track up and 
down. He had relatively poor journalism skills.

I knew track pretty well, but not as well as John. My journalism skills were 
far superior. 

TFN, of course, hired John.  Six months later, he was gone.

Here's the lesson: Hire someone with the key skills, then teach them the 
niche.  

Corporate America does this all the time -- hiring a CEO who knows business 
inside out but doesn't have experience in a given industry.  It's a lot 
easier to teach someone the industry (track  field) than the business 
(sports administration and promotion).  

In hindsight, I'm grateful I didn't get hired by TFN.  Too little room for 
advancement and I wouldn't have had some of the opportunities that later came 
my way.  But USATF shouldn't be so happy with its decision to hire a 
relatively amateur track insider than a professional sports guy.

Craig has done some great things at USATF. But now I'm wondering if Vowels or 
Chestnut could have done even greater things.

Ken Stone
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t-and-f: Molly Huddle

2002-01-30 Thread Ed Grant

Netters:

Too bad Molly doesn;t go to a NJ school.

In our state, a school does not have to have a :formal indoor team
for its athletes to participate.  Case in point this year: Lindsay Van
Alstine of Hawthorne Christian, a one-girl team in CC ran in our state meet
recently (as well as in the Passaic County meet and several invitationals)

The rule here is that, as long as the principal signs the entry and
she is accompanioed by a coach, (Lindsay;s coach is her father), it's OK

But we have gone even further than that. When Jodie Bilotta was in
school she was not a mebre of the Hunterdon central team indoors, yet
competed in both the Millrose Mile and the 1K at the old Meadowlands meet on
a principal's signature---even though NH had a team (of which Anne Marie
Letko was a member).

SAnd there was the year when NH had a club team for girls, but no
boys team. The girls oach brought Andy martin and Brad Hudson to the state
meet, they went 1-2 in the 3200 and then went home. When the meet was over,
those points were enough to win the team title.

New York, both on the state and PSAL level, has always been a
stickler about these things. When Bill McClellon was at De Witt Cointo,
clearing 7 feet in HS meets, he was invited to the Millrose Games, but the
PSAL refused to allow him to compete. (That rule has since been eased to
accommodate specian case, of which the PSAL unfortunately has so few these
days.

Meanwhile, as many as a dozen NJ athletes have so competed over the
years: Milt Campbell, the late Aubrey Lewis, Marty Liquori,  Bill gaines
(who won two national AAU 55M titles when in HS and this in the idst of the
NCAA-AAU battle), Renaldo Nehemiah, Carol Lewis, Wendy Vereen, Dawn Bowles,
to name just a few.


Ed Grant




Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread alan tobin

Hey, I just had an idea. Anyone remember the running scenes from Endurance? 
They were spectacular. Copy that. Maybe people can watch 15-30 minutes of 
straight race coverage if packaged right. Track needs a chase camera going 
all the way around the track. Even better would be to somehow mic the 
athletes during competition. Come on now, I know the technology is out there 
somewhere. A very very small remote camera? Somehow mic the athletes 
footsteps around the track. We need to hear these guys breathe and run.

Alan
http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004

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Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Contopoulos

Thank you Kurt.  I agree.  How can any of us (including Mr. Masback) make 
changes in this sport if the few who try and suggest alternatives are 
continually shot down?  Find the flaws and lets try and fix them.  That's 
how ideas become plans that work.  I threw out one idea.  Lets hear some 
others.

Mike


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Still searching for meaningful comments,

Okay, here are my comments - you can decide for yourself how meaningful 
they are.

1. I like the advertising idea.  Getting the general public to know who the 
track athletes are beyond Carl Lewis (fading from the public mind), Michael 
Johnson (soon to be fading from the public mind), and Marion Jones can only 
be a good thing.

2. However (there is always a however), Marketing focusing personalities 
has it's pitfalls.  Remember the Dan and Dave ad campaign from 1992?  It 
worked magnificently in terms of getting these guys some name recognition 
leading up to the Barcelona OG.  But the whole thing quickly turned into a 
laughing stock when Dan no-heighted at the trials and whole premise of the 
ads promptly turned into ashes.

A Broe vs. Gaucher ad campaign could crater just as easily when one of them 
doesn't live up to the hype in some way.  And the whole thing could turn 
into an even bigger laughing stock when Broe and Gaucher do their best but 
end up finishing in 11th and 12th place in the big showdown race (OG or 
whatever) behind a big flock of north and east Africans.  People are gonna 
say What was that all about?.

3.  The answer: I'm sure I don't know.  I don't pretend know anything about 
sports marketing.  My best guess would be to promote the personalities but 
try to do so in way so that people won't feel lied to if it doesn't all 
work out.

Kurt Bray








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Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Runtenkm

Kurt touches on an important point - in other sports marketing a personality works 
because, for the most part, the personalities end up competing for whatever title is 
up for grabs. Tiger would not be Tiger with a long series of 10th place finishes. 

Right now marketing Adam Goucher or Tim Broe is a poor investment because when it 
comes to OG or WC they ain't gonna be doin' it come the last lap. 

Marketing a foreign personality in the US has not worked all that well because 
Americans love to see Americans win. Thus we get all of the focus on the events the 
Americans traditionally do well in or in
an event you can label such as the decathlon or heptathlon. 

Steve S



2. However (there is always a however), Marketing focusing personalities 
has it's pitfalls.  Remember the Dan and Dave ad campaign from 1992?  It 
worked magnificently in terms of getting these guys some name recognition 
leading up to the Barcelona OG.  But the whole thing quickly turned into a 
laughing stock when Dan no-heighted at the trials and whole premise of the 
ads promptly turned into ashes.

A Broe vs. Gaucher ad campaign could crater just as easily when one of them 
doesn't live up to the hype in some way.  And the whole thing could turn 
into an even bigger laughing stock when Broe and Gaucher do their best but 
end up finishing in 11th and 12th place in the big showdown race (OG or 
whatever) behind a big flock of north and east Africans.  People are gonna 
say What was that all about?.




Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Contopoulos

Agreed.  However, why do the OG have to be the be all and end all of 
competition.  Sure, to us it is, but to the general public, the USATF 
Championships can hold the same weight... and its better because they are 
held every year too.  We CAN market Adam Goucher and Tim Broe as the next 
great thing on US soil and they ARE going to be doing it on the last lap at 
the US Championships.  We need to get people (including the athletes) into 
the domestic aspects of the sport.  Then once we have a huge fan base here, 
and top athletes that can legitimately compete with the world's best, we can 
begin to market international competition.  One follows the other.  As it 
becomes a bigger sport in the US we will have more kids participate and 
train harder, making better runners that can compete internationally.  Its 
cyclical, and in my opinion, it starts with getting the public interested by 
marketing these guys as winners of the US Champs and possessors of American 
Records.  I'm not saying lie to the American people... but at this point I 
feel as though it is more beneficial and more exciting for them to think of 
our sport as a US thing... not an international one.  Market it as such, and 
guys like Adam Goucher suddenly become super stars and Matt Lane that one 
guy just on the fringe.


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:23:24 EST

Kurt touches on an important point - in other sports marketing a 
personality works because, for the most part, the personalities end up 
competing for whatever title is up for grabs. Tiger would not be Tiger with 
a long series of 10th place finishes.

Right now marketing Adam Goucher or Tim Broe is a poor investment because 
when it comes to OG or WC they ain't gonna be doin' it come the last lap.

Marketing a foreign personality in the US has not worked all that well 
because Americans love to see Americans win. Thus we get all of the focus 
on the events the Americans traditionally do well in or in
an event you can label such as the decathlon or heptathlon.

Steve S



2. However (there is always a however), Marketing focusing personalities
has it's pitfalls.  Remember the Dan and Dave ad campaign from 1992?  It
worked magnificently in terms of getting these guys some name recognition
leading up to the Barcelona OG.  But the whole thing quickly turned into a
laughing stock when Dan no-heighted at the trials and whole premise of the
ads promptly turned into ashes.

A Broe vs. Gaucher ad campaign could crater just as easily when one of them
doesn't live up to the hype in some way.  And the whole thing could turn
into an even bigger laughing stock when Broe and Gaucher do their best but
end up finishing in 11th and 12th place in the big showdown race (OG or
whatever) behind a big flock of north and east Africans.  People are gonna
say What was that all about?.





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t-and-f: National Depth--Hammer/Javelin

2002-01-30 Thread Roger Ruth

The charts that follow summarize the number of athletes each country placed
in the world top-100 rankings for 2001 (plus ties) and the highest-ranked
of these for each event. Since one or two placings may represent only
exceptional individuals, rather than national program strength, I've
truncated the lists to countries with three placings or more. The data base
drawn upon is the world list from Mirko Jalava's web site
http://www.tilastopaja.com/.


MEN'S Hammer 2001   WOMEN'S Hammer 2001
Country  Top 101  Highest   Country  Top 100  Highest

Hungary  9   2  United States   16   5
Russia   8   8  China   11  19
Belarus  7   4  Belarus  7   9
United States7  57  Germany  6  13
Ukraine  6   5  Russia   5   1
Italy6   5  Hungary  5   3
Finland  6  12  Cuba 4   4
Germany  6  24  Finland  4   8
Poland   5   3  Ukraine  4  18
France   5   9  Poland   3   2
Great Britain4  35  Australia3   7
Czech Republic   3  16  Italy3  11
Greece   3  20  Great Britain3  12
China3  62  Greece   3  34

33 countries represented29 countries represented
100th = 70.19m = 230' 3100th = 60.64m = 198' 11

Because it happens infrequently, a distribution where each athlete of the
top 10 represents a different country. In the women's hammer, it was each
of the top 13; respectively, RUS, POL, HUN, CUB, USA, FRA, AUS, FIN, BLR,
SVK, ITA, GBR, GER.


MEN'S Javelin 2001  WOMEN'S Javelin 2001
Country  Top 101  Highest   Country  Top 100  Highest

Finland 19   2  China   13  16
Germany 10   5  Cuba 7   1
China6  32  Russia   7   4
Great Britain5   4  Germany  7  11
Russia   5   7  Romania  5   7
South Africa 4  38  Japan5  17
Greece   3   3  Poland   5  19
United States3   8  Ukraine  5  36
Latvia   3  12  United States5  53
Poland   3  13  Italy4  10
Japan3  51  Belarus  4  29
India3  72  Greece   3   2
France   3  22
Korea3  61

35 countries represented29 countries represented
100th = 75.87m = 248' 11   100th = 54.51m = 178' 10

There are several oddities to remark in these distributions. I always
expect Finland to be over-represented in the men's javelin, and it's always
satisfying to see an expectation confirmed. The national pride of Finland
in their javelin excellence goes all the way back to their sweep of the
Olympic medals in the Antwerp games of 1920 and has been rewarded with six
Olympic golds in the years since. I believe this is the first time India
has had the three top-100 athletes in an event necessary to make the charts
and it's the first time I can remember any Pakistan athlete making a top
100, Zahid Hussein's NR 78.75m ranking 64th.

And how about those Cuban women? Seven in the top 100, including #1! To put
that in some perspective, Cuba has half as many throwers in the top 100 as
China, although China's population is 114 times that of Cuba and its
relative national wealth (gross domestic product per capita) is double that
of Cuba.













t-and-f: USATF Release: 2002 Verizon Millrose Games preview

2002-01-30 Thread Usatfcom99

Contact:Jill M. Geer
Director of Communications
317-261-0500 x360
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.usatf.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, January 30, 2002

International superstars to compete at Verizon Millrose Games


NEW YORK – Coming off the most successful start in its four-year history,
USA Track  Field’s 2002 Indoor Golden Spike Tour continues Friday night at
the most prestigious indoor invitational track meet in the world, the
Verizon Millrose Games.

Adding to the prestige in 2002 is a field of international superstars. On
the women’s side, Olympic gold medalist, world champion and world record
holder Stacy Dragila looks to defend her Verizon Millrose Games title in the
Visa women’s pole vault after setting a world record here last year
(4.64m/15 feet, 2.75 inches). Regina Jacobs also defends her 2001 Millrose
title in the Fred Lebow women’s mile after running the fastest indoor 2 mile
by a woman in history last week at the adidas Boston Indoor Games, the first
stop on the Golden Spike Tour.

Two-time Olympic 100m champion Gail Devers is scheduled to compete in the
women’s 60m dash, Olympic bronze medal hurdler Melissa Morrison will run the
60m hurdles, and the woman who owns the fastest indoor 800m time ever on
U.S. soil, Jolanda Ceplak of Slovenia, will duel American outdoor record
holder Jearl Miles-Clark.

The women’s competition also will feature a fast-paced new format in the
women’s high jump. Literally jumping in the spotlight on Madison Square
Garden’s infield, Amy Acuff, Tisha Waller and Erin Aldrich each will have 45
seconds for each attempt, will be allowed three misses for the entire
competition, and must attempt each height. The change was designed to bring
added excitement and attention to the event, which in past years has been
held in front of a sparse crowd before Millrose elite competition began, due
to time and space limitations brought on by reconfiguring MSG’s track for
sprints and distance events. Now held during  “prime-time” in the event
schedule, the women’s high jump will be a featured event of the meet.

The men’s field for the Verizon Millrose Games features the world’s best as
well. Three-time world champion and ‘96 Olympic gold medalist Allen Johnson
competes against a strong field in the 60m hurdles for the first time since
2000. The Fred Schmertz men’s pole vault will be a near-reprise of the
adidas Boston Indoor Games, with World Indoor champion and defending
Millrose winner Lawrence Johnson, World Indoor silver medalist Tye Harvey,
Goodwill Games gold medalist Tim Mack and American outdoor record holder
Jeff Hartwig in the field.

The Verizon men’s 60m could be the marquee event of the night, with Tim
Montgomery, Terrence Trammell, Tim Harden, J.J. Johnson and Shawn Crawford
to take the starting line. Between them, the group has seven medals from
2001 World Championships events. Montgomery is the World Outdoor 100m silver
medalist and World Indoor 60m silver medalist. He also anchored Team USA to
a win in the 4x100m relay at World Outdoors; Trammell is the 2001 World
Indoor 60m hurdles champion; Harden is the defending World Indoor 60m gold
medalist; Shawn Crawford is the defending World Indoor 200m champion, World
Outdoor bronze medalist and U.S. outdoor champion; and J.J. Johnson had the
fastest 200m time in the world last year.

The Wanamaker Mile will provide the drama and exciting finishes the historic
event is known for. Top Kenyans Bernard Lagat, Laban Rotich, Leonard Mucheru 
and Paul Bitok can’t overlook young U.S. upstart Bryan Berryhill, the 2001 
NCAA champion and a sub-3:58 miler.

Held at New York City’s Madison Square Garden, the Verizon Millrose Games is
the second stop on the Golden Spike Tour. The Tour began January 27 at the
adidas Boston Indoor Games, where one world best and two American records
were broken. Ceplak ran her U.S. all-comers record at Boston as well.

For more information on the 2002 Indoor Golden Spike Tour, including
rankings of top performances and full results from the adidas Boston Indoor
Games, visit the USATF Web site, www.usatf.org

Verizon Millrose Games Preview
Fields subject to change; all nationalities USA unless otherwise noted

Men

60m: Timothy Montgomery, Nike; Terrence Trammell, Mizuno; Tim Harden, Nike;
Julian Dunkley, East Carolina University/Jamaica; J.J. Johnson, Nike; Shawn
Crawford, Mizuno
THE SCOOP: The Verizon Millrose Games will reach its grand finale with
perhaps the strongest field in the meet. Montgomery is the World Outdoor
100m silver medalist and World Indoor 60m silver medalist. He also anchored
Team USA to a win in the 4x100m relay at World Outdoors; Trammell is the
2001 World Indoor 60m hurdles champion; Harden is the defending World Indoor
60m gold medalist; Shawn Crawford is the defending World Indoor 200m
champion and U.S. outdoor champion; and J.J. Johnson had the fastest 200m
time in the world last year.

60mHH: Allen Johnson, Nike; Mark Crear, God 

t-and-f: Jone story

2002-01-30 Thread Kebba Tolbert


Jones turns back clock to find way forward
  Gene Cherry (Reuters)
  30 January 2002 - Raleigh, North Carolina - This is the year 
Marion
full story at:
http://www.iaaf.org/news/index.asp?Filename=/news/Articles/getnews.asp?Code=4512

Jones wants to turn back the clock so her sprinting career can go
forward.

“We want to push it to another level like we did in ‘98,” the triple Olympic 
champion said in an interview, recalling the summer she ran six of the 11 
fastest 100 metres ever and the third-fastest 200 metres.

“Those world records are still out there and I think they’re still possible 
to be broken by myself,” said Jones of Florence Griffith Joyner’s world 
marks of 10.49 seconds in
the 100 metres and 21.34 in the 200.


Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Men's and Women's Jumps  Multis Coach
Syracuse University Track  Field


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t-and-f: re: Molly Huddle

2002-01-30 Thread Michael J. Roth

This decision is typical of the asinine rules makers in NY.  These
people continually make decisions, in all sports, that have noting to do
with the best interests of the student-athletes they supposedly
represent.  A basketball exhibition to raise money for Lupus was almost
canned for similar reasons, even when it was completely out of season
and had nothing to do with kids competing for their HS, it was an
all-star game.

These people really need to retire!

MJR




t-and-f: Gift Horses, Omega and Advertising

2002-01-30 Thread Usatfcom99

Regarding Jim Gerweck's post on Omega, as well as general postings on USATF 
advertising (only some of which I have had to opportunity to read):

The short version of my response to Jim would be simply, Huh? I don't know 
where this generated, nor do I know why a journalist would post this kind of 
ridiculous rumor to a public forum. To quote Jim, himself, Brilliant! 

If anyone does know of a timing company who is willing to pay USATF for 
providing their services, I'm sure we'd be thrilled to pay a substantial 
finders fee! Just in case I wasn't clear enough: USATF has never had any 
discussions with Omega regarding Indoor Nationals.

Regarding advertising, readers of the Sports Business Journal know that USATF 
has hired an ad agency to spearhead a branding campaign beginning this year 
and leading up to the next Olympics. The proposed budget for this campaign is 
$2 million. (Because the campaign is not yet a reality we have refrained from 
issuing a formal announcement ourselves.) We have seen preliminary plans for 
TV advertising that is young and hip and evocative of ESPN's ads for 
Sportscenter. I can tell the staid members of this forum that I, in E-terms, 
LOL'd when I saw some of the story boards. I was very nearly ROTFLOL, but 
since I was in a public space at the time, I didn't want to embarrass my 
companions or any innocent bystanders.

Donations to the branding campaign are gladly accepted. :)

Best,
Jill Geer
Director of Communications
USATF

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 Subj: t-and-f: Looking a gift horse (was USATF Advertising idea...)
 Date:  1/30/02 10:44:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time
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 I've heard that Omega/Swatch timing offered to PAY $25,000 to USATF to time 
 the indoor nationals at the Armory in March. Apparently someone at USATF 
felt 
 that figure wasn't high enough, turned them down, and now someone else is 
 doing the timing, and - get this - USATF is PAYING for it.
 
 If true, that's great economic sense. Someone offers you a free steak dinner 
 but you turn it down because it's not filet mignon, and you wind up paying 
to 
 eat at MacDonalds. Brilliant!
 
 Jim Gerweck
 Running Times 



t-and-f: re: USATF Advertising

2002-01-30 Thread Michael J. Roth

For all the people bashing USATF history of not having a
marketing/advertising plan, please stay tuned to your TV and other
media.  When the Winter Games end, things will start moving.  I haven't
actually seen the stuff they're going to do, but in speaking with their
Marketing Mgr, it will be good  just the beginning.

MJR




t-and-f: Question

2002-01-30 Thread William H. Allen

Who can tell me what LOL and ROTFLOL mean?  And, whoe er can, would he or
she do so.  Thank you.

Bill Allen




Re: t-and-f: Question

2002-01-30 Thread koala

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:43:04 -0800, you wrote:

Who can tell me what LOL and ROTFLOL mean?  And, whoe er can, would he or
she do so.  Thank you.

Bill Allen

Try this codebreaker tool:
http://www.abbrevguide.com/index.php


RT



Re: t-and-f: USATF as Enron: Rethinking the hiring of CEO?

2002-01-30 Thread Edward Koch

Ken,

   The USOC went the route you suggest in picking their previous CEO with
disastrous results. He lasted less than a year. Their new CEO at least has
some background as a college basketball player and high school quartermiler.
The difference between USATF and a typical business corporation is that it
is a non-profit organization that must be structured a certain way because
of federal law. As a result, it is a hybrid. It needs to raise money and
have successful operations, but it also has to represent and meet the needs
of its varied constituents - a mix between a pure business model and a pure
political model. The skills its CEO require are thus also a mix which Craig
has clearly demonstrated he has. I was not on the Executive Committee at the
time of the vote but I do not think the other two candidates could have
matched what he has done.

Ed Koch


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Y ask:

Go easy on Brother Michael. He has some good ideas about juicing up
interest
in the sport. But the key issue we're dancing around needs to be addressed
as
well:

Has USATF CEO Craig Masback performed as expected?

Given the incredible hole he was in from the start, Craigo's done some
relatively miraculous things to jump-start USATF, erase its deficit, create
the Golden Spike Tours, raise the sport's profile a bit, etc.

But keep in mind that he came out of a lawyer-TV-commentator-athlete
background. He's not a professional sports administrator. (Yes, he was on
TAC's marketing and media committee, but didn't have a lot to show for it.)
He has his limitations.

So let's return to 1997 for a moment. Ollan Cassell has been CEO for 32
years. USATF is casting about for a succcessor to remove Cassell's bad
taste.
It hires Korn/Ferry, a Washington, D.C., search firm to screen applicants.

Korn/Ferry comes up with some remarkable finalists besides Masback:

One is H. Thomas Chestnut of Merion Station, Pa., a former executive vice
president of the NBA's Philadelphia 76ers.  A member of two Ivy League
basketball championship teams at Princeton, Chestnut played pro hoops in
the
Netherlands, France and Italy for four years. Held marketing positions at
three companies and served as a SportsChannel executive. Chestnut also
worked
for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

The other is Robert C. Vowels Jr., Naperville, Ill., an assistant
commissioner for the Big Ten. (He's now the commissioner of the Southern
Intercollegiate Athletic Conference). Vowels played football at Duke and
received a law degree from North Carolina Central. After working for human
services agencies in Tennessee, he became an assistant athletic director at
Vanderbilt University. In the Big Ten,  his responsibilities at conference
headquarters included sponsorship, licensing and marketing.

So when the 23-member USATF exec board met in San Francisco in May 1997 to
choose a winner, it had a hard choice to make. The board decided to go with
the Guy Everyone Knew, as opposed to the Guy Nobody Knew Who Could Get the
Job Done.

A personal anecdote:

Back around 1978, I was a finalist for the staff writer opening at TFN
(replacing Tom Jordan, as it were).  My competition was another young man
named John B. (I'll protect his identity here, but U can ask for it
privately). He was the son of a longtime track official who knew track up
and
down. He had relatively poor journalism skills.

I knew track pretty well, but not as well as John. My journalism skills
were
far superior.

TFN, of course, hired John.  Six months later, he was gone.

Here's the lesson: Hire someone with the key skills, then teach them the
niche.

Corporate America does this all the time -- hiring a CEO who knows business
inside out but doesn't have experience in a given industry.  It's a lot
easier to teach someone the industry (track  field) than the business
(sports administration and promotion).

In hindsight, I'm grateful I didn't get hired by TFN.  Too little room for
advancement and I wouldn't have had some of the opportunities that later
came
my way.  But USATF shouldn't be so happy with its decision to hire a
relatively amateur track insider than a professional sports guy.

Craig has done some great things at USATF. But now I'm wondering if Vowels
or
Chestnut could have done even greater things.

Ken Stone
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RE: t-and-f: Question

2002-01-30 Thread malmo

They are facetious forms meaning Laughing Out Loud and Rolling On The
Floor Laughing Out Loud.

malmo

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Who can tell me what LOL and ROTFLOL mean?  And, whoe er can, would he
or she do so.  Thank you.

Bill Allen






Re: t-and-f: USATF as Enron: Rethinking the hiring of CEO?

2002-01-30 Thread koala

I remember when USATF was doing the exec search that's been discussed
here.
One of the observations at that time was that exec searches for top-notch
talent (example: the NBA Donald Stern model) are a VERY competitive
endeavour.  In other words, USATF would have to compete ($) with
large corporations like Lockheed and Walmart and on and on, for that
kind of talent.  A competition which non-profits are very badly financed
to pursue- they usually get terribly mauled and have to settle for
talent that the big corporations pass over.  Scraps.
Or they can take a different tack, and go for the cross-breed kind of
talent who already has knowledge of the business along with some savvy of
what it takes to solve problems inherent in the job at that time.

Remember that at the time, USATF was very deep into the doping allegations
of coverup, having to operate in two very contradictory worlds- U.S. legal
system versus IOC/IAAF standards, with neither side willing to give and
USATF caught in the middle.  Those lawyer skills certainly came with the
Craig M. package, and I think he's led USATF skillfully along a very
delicate path, keeping them out of trouble, and eventually into a very sane solution-
that is, get out of the testing business completely and turn it over to somebody
else.  So who knows, maybe now USATF doesn't need a lawyer at the helm,
they now need a savvy marketer.  We'll see whether Craig can make that
transition.  He's pulled off some positive moves in that arena, so we'll
see.

By the way, if the NBA advertising/marketing model was all that great,
why has it not been able to sustain and build on itself year after year
after year?  Instead, when the last of the mentioned big three (MJ)
retired, the NBA's earnings went into crash dive.  Yes, they're still
way, way above USATF, but if the NBA were publicly traded, based on
their recent trends, every broker in the country would be yelling sell!
That's the danger of pursuing the 'build on a celebrity' model to the
detriment of your core business product.

Smart investors look for long sure, steady, sustained growth patterns,
rather than the dot-com/Enron skyrocket/nose-dive model.
Craig has USATF on the right path.  And his continuance in office should,
like any leadership position, be based on continuance along the steady
growth path, and not yesterday's or last year's results.
I say that most if not all of USATF's indicators are pointing the right
direction, so no need to make drastic knee-jerk yank-the-CEO moves without
any sound reason to do so.

RT