t-and-f: Make it stop
No offense to Monti and RRW but the IAAF really shouldn't propagate this kind of NYRRC/RW nonsense. Even at age 50, he could do much better than this. I'm surprised Rojo would promote the piece without some kind of editorial comment. Coghlan will compete seriously in the New York City Marathon for the first time since 1991... Coghlan's stated intention is to finish in approximately 2:55-3:00... Those 2 sentences do not belong in the same story. http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=19909.html Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: NYC coverage
In a message dated 10/23/02 2:12:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As most of you probably already know, it appears the only NYC Marathon TV coverage will be a pared-down, one-hour highlights show after the event, that afternoon on NBC. The NBC affilliate in New York (WNBC) will have coverage from 10am-4pm. Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Make it stop
In a message dated 10/25/02 7:39:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No offense to Monti and RRW but the IAAF really shouldn't propagate this kind of NYRRC/RW nonsense. What nonsense? What's wrong with a harmless PR release concerning one of the sport's legends? Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Did Paula see Jesus?
In case you missed it, an excerpt from Paula Radcliffe's appearance on the Oprah show yesterday: Oprah: You know, after my marathon--I've only run one, and I think I will only run one in my lifetime--I always say, when you get to around 22 miles, no matter what your religion, you see Jesus. Did you see Jesus? Paula: No, I didn't see him, but I knew he was helping me. Your marathon was tougher than mine, because the weather was much worse.
t-and-f: Radcliffes best, is record best!
http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=19897.html Radcliffes best, is record best! Wednesday 23 October 2002 Paula Radcliffe's Marathon World best time is statistically the greatest women's running mark in the record book at all distances currently contested at senior international championship level. The Hungarian Scoring Tables (2001), used by the International Association of Athletics Federations to assist in allocating prize money and World Rankings, award Radcliffe 1302 points for her time of 2hrs 17min 18sec in the Chicago Marathon. These points equate to women's running times of 10.42sec for 100m and Griffith-Joyner's World records of 10.49sec and 21.34sec. Radcliffe's run is also accorded equivalence to 47.14sec for 400m. The 400m World record is 47.60sec by East Germany's Marita Koch, while reigning Olympic champion Cathy Freeman's best is 48.63sec and she ran 49.11sec for gold in Sydney. Other scoring values (in brackets) and World record comparisons include: 800m (1min 51.89sec) WR 1:53.28, 1500m 3min 48.94sec) WR 3:50.46, 5000m (13min 58.14sec) WR 14:28.09, 10,000m (29min 26.10sec) WR 29:31.78, 100m hurdles (11.91sec) WR 12.21sec, 400m hurdles (50.81sec) WR 52.61sec. By Mike Hurst (Daily and Sunday Telegraph, Australia) for the IAAF
Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best!
It's really a false honor though because the tables above the 1500m are generally weak. What they'd want us to beleive is that a clean Paula put together a performance that greatly overshadows performances that drug-era (not that I think that people are a whole lot cleaner now) athletes couldn't even touch -- 1:51, 10.42, 47.14. It's obviuous that either the distance event point scales are farily soft. there's no way. --Kebba From: Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best! Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:34:22 -0500 http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=19897.html Radcliffe?s best, is record best! Wednesday 23 October 2002 Paula Radcliffe's Marathon World best time is statistically the greatest women's running mark in the record book at all distances currently contested at senior international championship level. The Hungarian Scoring Tables (2001), used by the International Association of Athletics Federations to assist in allocating prize money and World Rankings, award Radcliffe 1302 points for her time of 2hrs 17min 18sec in the Chicago Marathon. These points equate to women's running times of 10.42sec for 100m and Griffith-Joyner's World records of 10.49sec and 21.34sec. Radcliffe's run is also accorded equivalence to 47.14sec for 400m. The 400m World record is 47.60sec by East Germany's Marita Koch, while reigning Olympic champion Cathy Freeman's best is 48.63sec and she ran 49.11sec for gold in Sydney. Other scoring values (in brackets) and World record comparisons include: 800m (1min 51.89sec) WR 1:53.28, 1500m 3min 48.94sec) WR 3:50.46, 5000m (13min 58.14sec) WR 14:28.09, 10,000m (29min 26.10sec) WR 29:31.78, 100m hurdles (11.91sec) WR 12.21sec, 400m hurdles (50.81sec) WR 52.61sec. By Mike Hurst (Daily and Sunday Telegraph, Australia) for the IAAF _ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
Re: t-and-f: NYC coverage
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:09:37 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (track list) Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYC coverage It's safe to say that were it not for the NYC Marathon telecasts, I wouldn't be as involved in the sport to the extent I am now. There might be some 11-year-old kid out there now who would become a fan of the sport if he/she were only exposed to such exciting races on network TV. No wonder my life became one big Huckleberry Hound cartoon! :-) gh
Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best!
From: Kebba Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Kebba Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:08:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best! It's really a false honor though because the tables above the 1500m are generally weak. What they'd want us to beleive is that a clean Paula put together a performance that greatly overshadows performances that drug-era (not that I think that people are a whole lot cleaner now) athletes couldn't even touch -- 1:51, 10.42, 47.14. It's obviuous that either the distance event point scales are farily soft. there's no way. Amen to that: these calculations are a benchmark of bad science. Gh
RE: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best!
Note also the phrase distances currently contested at senior international championship level in the IAAF release. Wang's 8:06.11 for 3000 meters -- incidentally a championship distance in 1993 when she ran it -- rates 1308 points on these scoring tables. Radcliffe would have needed a 2:16:47 to top that one. -Original Message- From: Kebba Tolbert [mailto:kebba_t;hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best! It's really a false honor though because the tables above the 1500m are generally weak. What they'd want us to beleive is that a clean Paula put together a performance that greatly overshadows performances that drug-era (not that I think that people are a whole lot cleaner now) athletes couldn't even touch -- 1:51, 10.42, 47.14. It's obviuous that either the distance event point scales are farily soft. there's no way. --Kebba From: Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best! Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:34:22 -0500 http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=19897.html Radcliffe?s best, is record best! Wednesday 23 October 2002 Paula Radcliffe's Marathon World best time is statistically the greatest women's running mark in the record book at all distances currently contested at senior international championship level. The Hungarian Scoring Tables (2001), used by the International Association of Athletics Federations to assist in allocating prize money and World Rankings, award Radcliffe 1302 points for her time of 2hrs 17min 18sec in the Chicago Marathon. These points equate to women's running times of 10.42sec for 100m and Griffith-Joyner's World records of 10.49sec and 21.34sec. Radcliffe's run is also accorded equivalence to 47.14sec for 400m. The 400m World record is 47.60sec by East Germany's Marita Koch, while reigning Olympic champion Cathy Freeman's best is 48.63sec and she ran 49.11sec for gold in Sydney. Other scoring values (in brackets) and World record comparisons include: 800m (1min 51.89sec) WR 1:53.28, 1500m 3min 48.94sec) WR 3:50.46, 5000m (13min 58.14sec) WR 14:28.09, 10,000m (29min 26.10sec) WR 29:31.78, 100m hurdles (11.91sec) WR 12.21sec, 400m hurdles (50.81sec) WR 52.61sec. By Mike Hurst (Daily and Sunday Telegraph, Australia) for the IAAF _ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe?s best, is record best!
And the Hungarian tables can be found where? is there a website address?
RE: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
How about Bannister breaking the 4 minute mile?
1982 Boston Marathon: Salazar vs. Beardsley
Carl Lewis' 4 gold medals at the '84 Olympics
Or Carl Lewis winning 4 consecutive gold medals in the long jump ('84, '88,
'92, '96)
Mary Decker getting tripped by Zola Budd in the '84 Olympics (not a great
moment, but certainly memorable).
-Jeff
-Original Message-
From: Jack Pfeifer [mailto:pfeiferj;nytimes.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame
i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked
to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the
top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the
World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to
have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for
Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no
particular order):
Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo
Beamon's LJ in Mexico City
FloJo's 10.49
Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang
Wilma Rudolph in Rome
Jesse Owens in Berlin
1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US
Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k
US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis
Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72
Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo
Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia
...
What else?
JP
aka, what happens when the public gets involved:
Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of
baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's
an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved.
The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100
years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years.
How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I
wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it
I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this
year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were
nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest.
If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your
time, then don't vote.
gh
Re: t-and-f: Did Paula see Jesus?
I did see Jesus at the 22 mile mark of Boston in 1975. His name was Jose DeJesus and he beat me by 2 seconds. Earlier in the race we had passed a drop-in religious person wearing a run with Jesus t-shirt. Tom Derderian, who saw Jesus, chased him, but couldn't catch him. - Original Message - From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: t-and-f: Did Paula see Jesus? In case you missed it, an excerpt from Paula Radcliffe's appearance on the Oprah show yesterday: Oprah: You know, after my marathon--I've only run one, and I think I will only run one in my lifetime--I always say, when you get to around 22 miles, no matter what your religion, you see Jesus. Did you see Jesus? Paula: No, I didn't see him, but I knew he was helping me. Your marathon was tougher than mine, because the weather was much worse.
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
How about Carl vs. Ben in 87'? That makes my top 10. Barto --- Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
At 12:23 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, Jack Pfeifer wrote: i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP Zatopek's Olympic distance triple in 1952 Bill Bahnfleth
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
In terms of the most memorable for me: -both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991 -2002 London marathon - KK, Geb, Tergat There are also two other performances that stick in my mind, although they don't deserve all-time recognition - one of them isn't even a victory: -Ngugi's 5K gold in Seoul -Aouita's bronze at 800m in Seoul I am too young to remember anything before about 1985, but the above are the ones from my era that I remember the most. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
Message text written by Jack Pfeifer What else? The Tokyo '91 long jump. Perhaps the greatest field event competition ever. And not just the WR, but the whole competition. Just amazing.
t-and-f: Top Kenyans in battle against registration
Athletics-Top Kenyans in battle against registration By Isa Amok NAIROBI (Reuters) - Top Kenyans Paul Tergat and Moses Tanui are leading a battle against their governing federation Athletics Kenya over a requirement that all the country's runners be registered. Athletics Kenya has given a January 31 deadline for all names to be registered at its headquarters. They must do that or we won't enter them in international competitions next year, Isaiah Kiplagat, Athletics Kenya chairman, told Reuters on Thursday. This is a globally-accepted practice which all the athletes must abide by or they lose Athletics Kenya's recognition, Kiplagat added. We want to monitor our athletes so that wherever they run, we follow their performance. But five-times world cross country champion Tergat and former Boston Marathon winner Tanui oppose the idea if it will restrict them. If they want to know our numbers in order to set up a scheme that will help athletes in retirement or when in problems, then we welcome the idea, said Tergat. But we won't accept the requirement if it is to restrict athletes' free movement. He added: The athletes' effort must be appreciated by all. They have surmounted great hurdles to attain world-class status, yet there is no reciprocal effort by the Government or the federation to motivate and recognise this effort. Tanui said the idea, tried previously, had failed because the federation had tried to demand part of athletes' earnings. If that is the purpose for which it has been revived, we shall oppose it to the bitter end, said Tanui. He added: If Athletics Kenya want to know our numbers in order to compensate us for training costs or award us when we win abroad, then well and good, but we see ulterior motives. Kenyan officials and athletes have a lengthy history of conflict.
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
Some ageism here but Eamonn's face in 83(pre marathon career) on the home stretch and Joannie winning shortly after her knee surgery, Regards, Martin Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: In terms of the most memorable for me: -both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991 -2002 London marathon - KK, Geb, Tergat There are also two other performances that stick in my mind, although they don't deserve all-time recognition - one of them isn't even a victory: -Ngugi's 5K gold in Seoul -Aouita's bronze at 800m in Seoul I am too young to remember anything before about 1985, but the above are the ones from my era that I remember the most. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:23:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). Thomson '51 has been overwhelming choice of all the baseball fans I've talked to (and is what SF paper defined as best ever as well). I'd go w/ Yogi Berra jumping into Don Larsen's arms myself, even as much of a Yankee hater as I am. gh
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big, but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens, Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle running down Arzanov in cold war 1972. Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
t-and-f: The name game
Netters, Today in the mail I received a reply from a high school coach in Cincinnati concerning athletes who might be interested in competing for our school. It is interesting to note the name of the coach replying: Regina Jacobs Keith Whitman Head Coach Cross Country/Track Field Muskingum College http://www.muskingum.edu (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax Galations 2:20
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:23:53 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia Bannister probably has to be No. 1. Jesse Owens 6-WR hour Nurmi's '24 Oly 15/5 double in a little more than an hour Zatopek's triple in '52 Dorando Pietri's DQ Jim Peters gruesome marathon finish in the '54 BCG (although Schiess-Andersen took some of the uniqueness off that with her '84 stagger) Any post-meet party Wilt ever went to :-) Gh
Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....
I'd throw in the 10K @ Munich and the the W3K @ Helsinki. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big, but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens, Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle running down Arzanov in cold war 1972. Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
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how 'bout a barefoot bikila? landy's 'look' vs. bannister. coe vs. ovett in '80. two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a. freeway. wilma rudolph. -toby From: Colleen Rorick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Colleen Rorick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Track Posts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:06:39 -0700 I'd throw in the 10K @ Munich and the the W3K @ Helsinki. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big, but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens, Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle running down Arzanov in cold war 1972. Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory kicking in. How about Walter George, 4:12 3/4 mile, '86? As in 1886. Altho there was a 4:12.6 mile in 1915, George's time wasn't significantly bettered until Nurmi ran 4:10.4 in 1923, 37 years after George. -Original Message- From: Jack Pfeifer [mailto:pfeiferj;nytimes.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
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Except there are some (not me) that say that isn't even PR's best performance of the year so that sends it way down the food chain. Regards, Martin (bad science follower) Post, Marty wrote: Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory kicking in.
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At 03:37 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, toby - wrote: how 'bout a barefoot bikila? landy's 'look' vs. bannister. coe vs. ovett in '80. two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a. freeway. wilma rudolph. -toby I'll add: the Montreal 5,000; Clarke blowing the doors off 28 minutes essentially solo in Oslo, 1965; Boit/Juanto in the 77 World Cup 800. Juanto called it great competition. Indeed! -- Steve Grathwohl * [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to have a compulsive relationship with the music.You have got to like human beings, even if you despise the human race, because other people are going to make the noises, and you aren't going to do a damn thing. ---Sir Colin Davis on conducting
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Bob Hersh wrote: The Tokyo '91 long jump. Perhaps the greatest field event competition ever. And not just the WR, but the whole competition. Just amazing. And it was telecast virtually in its entirety. Just riveting. What a series by Lewis! I've still got it on tape along with a lot of other stuff from the early 80's onward. Field events just do not get this kind of coverage any more. More favorites: 5000m in Munich...the anticipation leading up to Pre's race was amazing. I had been in Atlanta to see a concert (I think Santana) and made a point of driving home in the middle of the night so that I could be home to watch it on TV. Coe's 1500m in LA, defeating Cram and shaking his fist at the British press, with Steve Scott fading and consoled by his wife after the race. Carl Lewis' 200m in Indianapolis in '83, easing up significantly in the homestretch, yet still running 19.75 to almost break Mennea's WR. (I got to see this one in person). And what about Michael Johnson's 19.32 200m in Atlanta, surpassing the significant hype for that race? bob
t-and-f: USATF News Notes: October 25, 2002
Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF News Notes Volume 3, Number 102October 25, 2002 Athletes spread the word in Boston Olympic gold medalist Allen Johnson and former Boston high school superstar and 2001 World Indoor Championships team member Tasha Downing had a full day on Wednesday, October 23 as they promoted USA Track Fields announcement that the 2003 and 2004 USA Indoor Championships will be held at the Reggie Lewis Track Athletic Center in Boston. The pair began the day at a breakfast meeting with USATF CEO Craig Masback, Boston TV and radio personality Coach Willie Maye and hotel management at the Marriott Copley Place, which will serve as the official meet hotel for the Indoor Championships. They then traveled with Masback and Reggie Lewis Center Director Keith McDermott to Dearborn Middle School, located less than 800 meters from the Reggie Lewis Center in Roxbury. Speaking at the invitation of physical education teacher Jaime Moody the Boston University record holder in the indoor 55m dash who has started a track program at Dearborn Middle School they spoke to students about the positive impact track and field has had on their lives, the importance of dedication and continuing education before taking questions from the audience. Among the questions posed to Downing were How fast can you run? Have you ever raced Allen Johnson? and Can you beat Marion Jones? Johnson fielded questions about the height of the hurdles, his basketball playing skills and whether he can beat Michael Johnson in a race. The reply: Yes, because Michael Johnson cant run hurdles. After a spirited autograph session, Johnson and Downing spoke at the USATF press conference announcing the Indoor Championships, attended by more than 60 media, track and field supporters and Boston-area business, athletic and political luminaries. Johnson expressed his astonishment and appreciation for the support he felt at the Boston announcement and throughout the day, declaring before ever stepping on the track that Boston is clearly the place for the Indoor Championships. Johnsons and Downings day concluded at the studio of WILD 1090 AM, where they were on the air live with Willie Maye during the 2 p.m. hour. It was a return appearance to the show for Downing, who had been interviewed by Maye many times during her years at Boston Technical High School from 1985-88, when she was the top indoor track athlete in the country. For more on USATFs Indoor Championships announcement and more information on the meet, visit www.usatf.org. Boston Mayors Cup series begins Sunday The 13th annual Mayors Cup Cross Country series, hosted by the Boston Athletic Association, will begin Sunday at Bostons Franklin Park. Sundays competition is headlined by U.S. Olympian Mark Coogan of Exeter, N.H., in the mens Championship 8K. Irish Olympian Sinead Delahunty of West Newton, Mass., and former U.S. 15K champion Kristin Chisum of Wayland, Mass., are the featured entrants in the womens Championship 5K. Each has been a member of his or her countrys world cross country team. The Franklin Park 5K also will be held on Sunday, which gives local runners, especially road racers, an opportunity to compete in cross country. Separate boys and girls 1.1-mile races will also be held. Interested runners may sign-up on race day at Franklin Park. For more information on the 2002 Mayors Cup, visit www.bostonmarathon.org. Houle sets coaching record The boys cross country team at Mountain View High School in Orem, Utah won the class 4A state championships Wednesday, giving head coach Dave Houle a U.S. record 57th state title and 20th in a row, Runners World Online reported. His brother Scott coached his first girl's state title as Orem HS edged Mountain View by two points. Former college runner chases down suspected bank robber According to the Associated Press, Brad McCorkle, a former University of Iowa track athlete, played a key role in the capture of a man who held up a bank Tuesday in Davenport, Iowa. The robbery occurred while McCorkle was waiting at a bank to meet a friend for lunch, when he saw someone rob the bank. After the suspect left the bank, McCorkle began his pursuit. McCorkle paused when the individual he was chasing suddenly turned and pretended to have a gun in his pocket. When McCorkle realized that the ploy was a fake, the chase resumed. After flagging down a police car, McCorkle followed the suspect over a fence into a yard, where the individual offered him half of his take to let him go. The suspect then continued to run, but was apprehended a short while later by police. The suspect is being held on first-degree robbery charges. Track publications available no charge! A variety of track field publications and posters are
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Did anyone suggest the Billy Mills 10k win in Tokyo, in light of upstaging the world's best and most dominant at the time? Wes Cook, George Fox University
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the W3K Helsinki. I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a dramatic but vain dive), but that was the specific moment that changed me from being a football fan who ran track in spring to an all-out rabid distance runner. For years afterward, I had a Nike poster of that moment that I snagged from a shoe store. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html
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How about worst races in track history? I nomiate the Michael Johnson/Donovan Bailey fiasco, or Jesse Owens racing a horse. BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on field events (other than Beamon, of course). -Original Message- From: Steve Grathwohl [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame At 03:37 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, toby - wrote: how 'bout a barefoot bikila? landy's 'look' vs. bannister. coe vs. ovett in '80. two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a. freeway. wilma rudolph. -toby I'll add: the Montreal 5,000; Clarke blowing the doors off 28 minutes essentially solo in Oslo, 1965; Boit/Juanto in the 77 World Cup 800. Juanto called it great competition. Indeed! -- Steve Grathwohl * [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to have a compulsive relationship with the music.You have got to like human beings, even if you despise the human race, because other people are going to make the noises, and you aren't going to do a damn thing. ---Sir Colin Davis on conducting
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Well, the most exciting field event I ever saw (in person) was Tiina Lillak's last-throw-in-the-last-event win in Helsinki '83. It was Finland's only gold medal and came shortly after Arto Bryggare got them their first medal (period), barely losing to Greg Foster. Before that it had looked as though the hosts were going to be shut out completely, which would have been a major disappointment in Finland. There were a LOT of happy Finns in the stands after her throw. David Lesley -- From: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 3:06 PM BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on field events (other than Beamon, of course).
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In a message dated 10/25/02 1:38:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cram vs. Aoutia 85 @ Nice Can anything be more thrilling than Dave Wottle's stretch run in Munich. The others all looked like they were moon walking What about Lance Deals silver in the hammer? And who can forget that great point-to-point run by Pheidippides in 490 BC, from Marathon to Athens, or that awesome 'stade' victory by Corebus in the Games of 776 BC! I wasn't there (at least in this life), but here-tell the crowds were enthusiastic. Jack Shepard
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From: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:06:37 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on field events (other than Beamon, of course). That's not surprising to me, even aside from the fact that most people inherently prefer track events. I think to really appreciate a good field event (something as numbing as a Beamon not included) you have to be there. I'm not sure I wouldn't rate Mac Wilkins' 3 WRs in the discus in one afternoon as the greatest thing I've ever seen, yet surely anybody who was in Germany the year before and saw Karl-Hans Riehm break the hammer mark 3 times (and end up with all 6 throws over the previous WR) would say that had to be far more exciting. Yet I don't even think of it. I can remember from the days of my infancy, though, that the breaking of the 7ft and 16fot barriers were the kind of thing that made front-page news, ranking almost right up there with Bannister and 4:00. Gh
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Let me add two memorable races to the list. The men's 400mH at the Rome World Championships the women's 100mH at the US Olympic Trials in 1984. The latter was the closest four-person finish I've ever seen. And that obviously mattered, because only the top three could make the team. In the solo race department, I'll nominate Filbert Bayi's 3:51.0 World Record mile in Kingston in 1975. I don't believe anyone has ever run a faster mile without a rabbit to this day. And although I've seen other world records, before and since, I don't know if any ever got me quite as excited. (Well, maybe 19.32 did, but in a different way.) Finally, as a long-time fan of indoor track, I have to mention the unforgettable 600y race in which Martin McGrady beat Lee Evens to win the 1970 US National Indoor Championships. McGrady set a world indoor best of 1:07.6 that lasted for more tan two decades. Evans was the reignint 400m Olympic champion, but he was no match for McGrady, whose mastery of the boards was extraordinary. Bob H
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Bloomquist, Bret wrote: How about worst races in track history? Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials 200m, where both MJ and Maurice Green pulled! \ Or the 1992 10,000m travesty with Khalid Skah and Richard Chelimo, where lapped runner Hammou Boutayeb paced Skah over the last three laps. bob
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I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a dramatic but vain dive) I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker outkicked Soviets in both races. She also ran from the front in both races, and in the 3K she battled Kazankina down the stretch. Decker found another gear a pulled away with a surge. The West German Brigette Kraus passed Kazankina for second place after Decker had put her away. A few days later in the 1500m final, all three Soviet runners took turns in the last 200m challenging for the lead from the front-running Decker. Mary held off the first two bids, but the top Soviet 1500m runner of the moment, Zamira Zaitseva, passed Mary off the final turn and pushed into the lead. Mary didn't give up but dug down and battled back, step for step, all the way down the stretch passing the Russian just before the line. Zaitseva desperately dove in an attempt to hang on to the win but failed and painfully skinned her face on the track surface. This was one year before Mary's prickly personality became publicly known, and many years before she tested positive, so her reputation was unsullied in those days. So that Little Mary had twice turned back the Big Bad Soviets caused the crowd to go absolutely nuts. The wild cheering went on and on. The crowd was still buzzing 20 minutes later. Those were the days Kurt Bray _ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
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Moses-Harris-Schmid, Rome, 1987 Lillak, last throw, Helsinki, 1983 But nothing tops US-USSR 1962, Bill Allen - Original Message - From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a nasty article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of TFN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
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Buddy Edelen's 2:14.28 at the Polytechnic.A pioneer for the great American marathoners. - Original Message - From: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame Let me add two memorable races to the list. The men's 400mH at the Rome World Championships the women's 100mH at the US Olympic Trials in 1984. The latter was the closest four-person finish I've ever seen. And that obviously mattered, because only the top three could make the team. In the solo race department, I'll nominate Filbert Bayi's 3:51.0 World Record mile in Kingston in 1975. I don't believe anyone has ever run a faster mile without a rabbit to this day. And although I've seen other world records, before and since, I don't know if any ever got me quite as excited. (Well, maybe 19.32 did, but in a different way.) Finally, as a long-time fan of indoor track, I have to mention the unforgettable 600y race in which Martin McGrady beat Lee Evens to win the 1970 US National Indoor Championships. McGrady set a world indoor best of 1:07.6 that lasted for more tan two decades. Evans was the reignint 400m Olympic champion, but he was no match for McGrady, whose mastery of the boards was extraordinary. Bob H
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Jonathon Edwards 60+ foot TJ was the most amazing Field event for me, and MJ's 200m in Atlanta still gives me chills. My greatest sports moment (as a spectator (I know its off topic!!)) was the Game 6 in 1986. Mookie would have beat them to 1st even if he had fielded that ball. This just beats being there at Game 7. MJR
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Category: Best Race Called (radio style) But NOT Seen in USA: 1-800-94-TRACK (Vic Holchak): Marc Davis kicking down Khalid Skah in a 2M race with European fans going crazy. Bob Duncan wrote: Bloomquist, Bret wrote: How about worst races in track history? Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials 200m, where both MJ and Maurice Green pulled! \ Or the 1992 10,000m travesty with Khalid Skah and Richard Chelimo, where lapped runner Hammou Boutayeb paced Skah over the last three laps. bob
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Mary's 1500/3000 in Helsinki are very high on my list. I remember watching one of the races in a bar on the South Side of Chicago. We talked the bar owner - who supported a few of us runners with pizza and beer - in to showing the WC on the big projection screen, and we promised to bring in about 20 other runners who would actually pay for their pizza and beer. The crowd normally consisted of out-of-work steel mill workers who were diehard Chicago Bear/Chicago Blackhawk/Chicago White Sox fans (that's American football/hockey/baseball.) None were distance runner. But there was not a soul sitting or not screaming at the screen. Most of these guys had no clue what the event was, just that some American girl beat the Russians. Kurt Bray wrote: I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a dramatic but vain dive) I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker outkicked Soviets in both races. She also ran from the front in both races, and in the 3K she battled Kazankina down the stretch. Decker found another gear a pulled away with a surge. The West German Brigette Kraus passed Kazankina for second place after Decker had put her away. A few days later in the 1500m final, all three Soviet runners took turns in the last 200m challenging for the lead from the front-running Decker. Mary held off the first two bids, but the top Soviet 1500m runner of the moment, Zamira Zaitseva, passed Mary off the final turn and pushed into the lead. Mary didn't give up but dug down and battled back, step for step, all the way down the stretch passing the Russian just before the line. Zaitseva desperately dove in an attempt to hang on to the win but failed and painfully skinned her face on the track surface. This was one year before Mary's prickly personality became publicly known, and many years before she tested positive, so her reputation was unsullied in those days. So that Little Mary had twice turned back the Big Bad Soviets caused the crowd to go absolutely nuts. The wild cheering went on and on. The crowd was still buzzing 20 minutes later. Those were the days Kurt Bray _ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
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IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently exciting event in recent Olympics: - 1988, Ingrid Kristiansen expected to win easily, pulls out around halfway with an injury. Liz McColgan front-runs desperately trying to put distance on Olga Bondarenko, who blows by her on the final lap. - 1992 - The great mystery - Elana Meyer - in her first major championship. She tries to run away from the field only to be dusted by Derartu Tulu's 60.something final lap. And Lynn Jennings finishing third! - 1996 - A pretty brutal pace in the Atlanta heat, IIRC, then Fernanda Ribeiro, after being passed on the start of the final lap by Wang Junxia, catches her on the straightaway. Was fortunate to see this live on BBC at about 4:00 GMT. - 2000 - Never saw it, but we know about Paula Radcliffe. I think the 1984 womens' marathon was one of the all-time great Olympic moments, for a lot of reasons other than the competition itself. Marko Velikonja __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
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Tommie Smith in Mexico City in '68. His race was beautiful but it was his courage and dignity - with black gloved fist raised and head bowed - that gave me chills. I still get them when I see that photo. For an older distance runner, Mills in Tokyo in '64 showed Americans could compete. Shorter taking gold in Munich and Rodgers first Boston win - in his white gloves and hand-lettered shirt - inspired thousands - millions? And, for younger guys who didn't know it - Shorter's win was especially memorable since ABC cut-off live coverage when he was at about 22 miles (they'd covered the whole race until then). We had to wait two hours - from noon until 2:00 (Eastern time) as I recall - to see if he'd held on. He had a big lead but his breakaway at 9 miles was scary - like Joan's in LA. even earlier in the race. The most exciting race I ever saw in person was the Trials 10K in '76 when Gary Bjorklund ran the last 3 miles with one bare foot and managed to outkick Rodgers for 3rd behind Shorter and Virgin and make the team. The Eugene crowd was incredibly loud. Geoff Pietsch _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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In my twenty or so years of watching the sport a couple that stick in my mind that haven't been mentioned. Joaquim Cruz and his four races of front running to win the 800 in LA 84. I just love that sort of tactic. Burrell vs Lewis in the 100 at US Champs 91. Almost more memorable than the fact that Burrell broke the record is just how quickly Lewis seemed to close on everyone at the end of the race to finish in 9.93 (to Burrells 9.90). I got to see this one in person. David Donley
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IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently exciting event in recent Olympics: - 1996 - A pretty brutal pace in the Atlanta heat, IIRC, then Fernanda Ribeiro, after being passed on the start of the final lap by Wang Junxia, catches her on the straightaway. Was fortunate to see this live on BBC at about 4:00 GMT. Yes, you were fortunate -- because here in America, this gets my award for worst, or at least most annoying (watch out, I sense another new thread starting), television coverage. I waited until 10pm our time for the race. And waited. And waited. And waited some more, watching gymnastics or something. And finally, I thought it was coming on -- they were doing one of those damned annoying soft and fuzzy profiles that we all hate so much. It was on a Kenyan runner (I ought to remember which one, but can't). But then they told me the results, and I realized they were showing ONLY the soft and fuzzy, and NOT THE ACTUAL RACE ITSELF! AAAGGGHHH! It still makes me mad. And the Kenyan they chose to profile wasn't even the winner -- she came in sixth. Who actually won was almost an afterthought. I went to bed pretty pissed off that night, praying for the horrible, painful deaths of NBC executives. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html
