Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version
That is not accurate, I am afraid. Every Tour De France winner is held in high appreciated and a multiple winner - all the more. UG == - Original Message - From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED]; t-and-f [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version I'm surprised Lance is that high. Makes the case. They don't like him there-because he is so good. Regards, Martin(admitted Lancophile) Robert Hersh wrote: As an interesting postscript to our recent AOY thread, I thought I'd pass along the results of the 2002 Champion of Champions poll of the editorial staff of the French sports daily, L'Equipe. In spite of his Tour de France exploits, Lance Armstrong was only tied for eighth with Serena Williams. Here are the top ten. Note that they have just one list for both men and women--I believe Flo-Jo is the only woman who has ever won. 1. Michael Schumacher (Germany, auto racing)144 pts 2. Janica Kostelic (Croatia, alpine skiing)117 3. Roberto Carlos (Brazil, soccer) 85 4. Tim Montgomery (USA, athletics) 84 5. Ole-Elnar Bjorndalen (Norway, biathlon) 69 6. Ronaldo (Brazil, soccer) 65 7. Ellen MacArthur (GBR, yachting) 60 8. Serena Williams (USA, tennis)57 Lance Arrmstrong (USA, cycling)57 10. Dejan Bodiroga (Yugoslavia, basketball) 49 No Barry Bonds. No surprise. Schumacher won this last year as well, but Americans won the two years before that--Tiger Woods (2000) and Andre Agassi (1999). Bob H
Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version
Don't believe everything you read in SI. As for not liking an American coming over and winning- this is childish. Come to the Tour and see for yourself. Or come to a Grand Prix track meeting in france (Gaz de France?) and see how they applaud Marion Jones, Allen Johnson and others. Come to the next World champs in August in the Paris suburb of Saint Denis, for that matter. UG - Original Message - From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version I'm surprised he made the list at all. According to the SI AOY article about Lance, the French generally have a very low opinion of him. He gets jeered as he rides by in the French countryside. They view his achievements as impossible without drugs, therefore he must be a cheating doper. Plus the French never do like Americans of any sort to come over and win their sporting events. Kurt Bray As an interesting postscript to our recent AOY thread, I thought I'd pass along the results of the 2002 Champion of Champions poll of the editorial staff of the French sports daily, L'Equipe. In spite of his Tour de France exploits, Lance Armstrong was only tied for eighth with Serena Williams. Here are the top ten. Note that they have just one list for both men and women--I believe Flo-Jo is the only woman who has ever won. 1. Michael Schumacher (Germany, auto racing)144 pts 2. Janica Kostelic (Croatia, alpine skiing)117 3. Roberto Carlos (Brazil, soccer) 85 4. Tim Montgomery (USA, athletics) 84 5. Ole-Elnar Bjorndalen (Norway, biathlon) 69 6. Ronaldo (Brazil, soccer) 65 7. Ellen MacArthur (GBR, yachting) 60 8. Serena Williams (USA, tennis)57 Lance Arrmstrong (USA, cycling)57 10. Dejan Bodiroga (Yugoslavia, basketball) 49 No Barry Bonds. No surprise. Schumacher won this last year as well, but Americans won the two years before that--Tiger Woods (2000) and Andre Agassi (1999). Bob H _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
t-and-f: Open Track Field Meet
UD OPEN TRACK FIELD MEET JANUARY 19, 2003 @University of Delaware, Newark DE $5.00/individual event - $10.00/relay Field House doors open at 10:30am. FIELD EVENTS Noon Long Jump 4 Jumps Open Pit Triple Jump 4 Jumps Open Pit (Follows Long Jump) Noon Weight Throw Open Circle Shot Put Open Circle (Follows Weight Throw) Noon High Jump Women, then Men Noon Pole Vault Women, then Men RUNNING EVENTS Women, then Men 12:30pm 60m High Hurdles 60m Dash 1 Mile Run 400m Dash 3000m Racewalk 800m Run 200m Dash 3000m Run 4 x 400m Relay
t-and-f: Open Track Field Meet
---BeginMessage--- UD OPEN TRACK FIELD MEET JANUARY 19, 2003 @University of Delaware, Newark DE $5.00/individual event - $10.00/relay Field House doors open at 10:30am. FIELD EVENTS Noon Long Jump 4 Jumps Open Pit Triple Jump 4 Jumps Open Pit (Follows Long Jump) Noon Weight Throw Open Circle Shot Put Open Circle (Follows Weight Throw) Noon High Jump Women, then Men Noon Pole Vault Women, then Men RUNNING EVENTS Women, then Men 12:30pm 60m High Hurdles 60m Dash 1 Mile Run 400m Dash 3000m Racewalk 800m Run 200m Dash 3000m Run 4 x 400m Relay ---End Message---
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Mascot name game continues
It just seems to me the natural mascot could have been Mercury. A mascot that denotes speed seems to be what the sport is about. I'm sure kids would have loved a muscular fella with wings on his head, the Warriors have a similar fella for their mascot. Joe ghill wrote: From: Jones, Carleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jones, Carleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:15:11 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: USATF Release: Mascot name game continues Over 90% of those polled at the TFN site thought the mascot sucks, and this is the oblivious, sunny-day spin we get from USATF. My god, no wonder the PR side of track is in the tank. While my head, too, is spinning from the deft work done in the release referred to, Craig tackled the subject head-on in the January issue of TFN (which should be arriving on people's doorsteps even as we speak). His straightforward reaction to the 9-1 drubbing: ³I love the controversy concerning the mascot. All of the people responding negatively are outside of the demographic group to whom the mascot is supposed to appeal: 6- to 11-year-old kids. ³I have no idea if kids will love Spike/Zoom/Speedy or whatever name is ultimately chosen (Craig Mascot, Craig Is A Stupid Moron, and Dopey are among my favorites), but the entire enterprise has been fun and cost-free. ³Part of the appeal of the whole thing is that we obtained the mascot at no cost whatsoever, and made no attempt to hide that fact. ³As I have said to many in the office, had I been in college at the time the mascot was introduced, I would have voted hundreds of times against it in the TFN poll and would have come up with names even more extreme than have been offered (more than 2500 names in all have been proposed). ³People who are so concerned and so offended by what is a simple attempt to add some interest to some of our events for families with younger children should use the advent of the new year to reexamine their lives and relax a little bit. ³My comments are just as heartfelt as those who wrote in to propose, Asinine, Big Furry Idiot, Ben Johnson, Craig C¹Mon, Dismal Failure, Fatsu, Flash, Git Rid of Me, Globo The Idiot, Hop, Mascotzilla, Jeff Galloway, Nandro, Please Kill Me, Speed, Streak, Swifty, U.G.L.Y., Waste Of Everyone¹s Membership Fees, Victor-E, Whatizit II, Worldo, Zip, etc.¹ ² When I go to local hockey games (San José Sharks), nothing pisses me off more than when the goon in the suit (which makes him Shaq-sized) blocks my view of the ice. But I've got to admit that since reading this copy from Craig, I've stepped back and taken a dispassionate view of Sharkie the last couple of games (lotsa kids in attendance during Xmas vacation time) and you know what, Craig's right on about the 6-11 (or 3-14 even) demographic. Every one of those kids that got anywhere close to the mascot went home from the game with a far warmer feeling (npi) than had they had to sit through just a hockey game. So much for role as Mr. Nice Guy: while I think Craig is spot-on in his analysis of the value of the mascot, I still think the sport was done a disservice by picking up a hand-me-down symbol. gh
RE: t-and-f: AOY - French version
That is not accurate, I am afraid. Every Tour De France winner is held in high appreciated and a multiple winner - all the more. UG Maybe the American media likes to play up the put-upon Yankee angle, but over and over again we read about French fans screaming Dopay, dopay! (doped, doped) at him. He was the subject of an apparently baseless drug investigation by French police that went on for a year and a half and found zero evidence. The French media is constantly writing headlines insinuating he is on drugs despite nothing to back that up. Then, after completely dominating their national event for the fourth year in a row, he finishes ninth in their athlete of the year voting. I was under the impression, however, that the French did appreciate LeMond, partly because he was on a French team.
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Mascot name game continues
That, of course, would take someone with real vision spearheading the effort. What does the borrowed retread we now have tell us about that? Herb It just seems to me the natural mascot could have been Mercury. A mascot that denotes speed seems to be what the sport is about. I'm sure kids would have loved a muscular fella with wings on his head, the Warriors have a similar fella for their mascot. Joe
RE: t-and-f: AOY - French version
Didn't I read in Armstrong's biography that he had a contract with one of the French teams at the time that his cancer was diagnosed and they walked away from him? Bill Bahnfleth At 12:16 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, Bloomquist, Bret wrote: That is not accurate, I am afraid. Every Tour De France winner is held in high appreciated and a multiple winner - all the more. UG I was under the impression, however, that the French did appreciate LeMond, partly because he was on a French team.
Fwd: Re: t-and-f: USATF - athlete of the week
X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote And while we're ragging on USATF, does anybody else think this athlete of the week stuff borders on just silly? Not to diss those among the athletes who may actually be deserving, but as long as we're diluting the value of things by dredging up someone, anyone, every week, why not just have athlete of the day to dilute the value even further? Then we could start including USATF bureaucrafts who jog and they could congratulate themselves even more. Score one against the above opinion. Seems like every college conference and sport has a flavor of the week now, and it usually gets some attention in newspapers. They may also include rookie of the week along with player of the week. They'll always recognize someone and won't hold out because this week no one did anything of note - the releases are regular during the season and an outlet will always be expecting some press from that conference. The major papers might just note the name in the agate along with league standings, but a round-up column on the sport may elaborate more on them. When these releases get to the smaller local dailies or weeklies, they usually get a few inches of ink - that's what the local papers look for and do best. The New Tribune doesn't care that the Average 10 Conference named Bud Tugley athlete of the week for running the league's fastest mile of the year when Average University ran the first meet of the year before anyone else. it's a local athlete that was honored, and track got coverage. If the papers give some attention to the sport because a local athlete got an award, all the better for the sport; it might be more than they cover otherwise.
Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version
In making what is probably the biggest mistake in sports business history, the French Codifis team dropped him like a rock when they found out about his illness-no insurance as a result. It's a wonder he is as polite to the country as he is. I know which finger I would be waving at them if I were him each time he crosses the line in Paris. Regards, Martin William Bahnfleth wrote: Didn't I read in Armstrong's biography that he had a contract with one of the French teams at the time that his cancer was diagnosed and they walked away from him? Bill Bahnfleth At 12:16 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, Bloomquist, Bret wrote: That is not accurate, I am afraid. Every Tour De France winner is held in high appreciated and a multiple winner - all the more. UG I was under the impression, however, that the French did appreciate LeMond, partly because he was on a French team.
t-and-f: Breathing Technique?
I just happen to catch a show the other night on discovery. It featured a fellow learning to do deep single depth dives. With just a few days practice he went from just being able to hold his breath for 50 seconds to well over 3 minutes. This improvement all came about just from exhaling really hard (using abs as well as the diaphragm) and them inhaling really deep before taking the plunge. The narrator claimed dolphins did deep exhales before their deep dives right after super saturating their bodies with oxygen. When I was a kid I recall running with a 2-1-2-1-2-2 rhythm (exhales first) with exhales coming out as short puffs, and the inhale being deep. This is not something I consciously developed but it is a rhythm that I noticed. The only thing I have read on this matter is that the diaphragm works the inhale, but for a great exhale you really have to use your abs as well. This is the only way to get rid of excess waste products in the lungs. I have heard that people that grow up a very high altitudes appear to just naturally exhale and inhale deeper than sea level folks. Have any of you working on breathing technique that resulted in a performance gain? Boy speaking of deep inhales check out the picture of Khalid Khannouchi chest on a very deep inhale on page 17 of the Jan edition of Runners World.
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Mascot name game continues
From: Herb Finkelstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Herb Finkelstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:09:14 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Mascot name game continues And while we're ragging on USATF, does anybody else think this athlete of the week stuff borders on just silly? Not to diss those among the athletes who may actually be deserving, but as long as we're diluting the value of things by dredging up someone, anyone, every week, why not just have athlete of the day to dilute the value even further? Then we could start including USATF bureaucrafts who jog and they could congratulate themselves even more. Thanks for saving me the time of having to create the parody I was going to do after last week's who? choice. I was going to create a phony release from MLB noting the choice of some 82-year-old grandmother as baseball player of the week for batting .166 in the old-folks-league, with a quote from Bud Selig about sorry, they're the only people on the planet who played this week. Speaking from my traditinoal elitist-pig stance, I think this foolishness does nothing but tear the sport down in the eyes of the mass media. We look like a bunch of weekend warriors who belong in the community section of the newspaper rather than sports. I've got nothing against recognizing the mainstream--indeed, it's good for the sport if the Poughkeepsie Palaver notes that ole Jim Smith from up the road was USATF AOW for whatever. But USATF needs to realize it's in a bigger game here. Capturing the hearts and minds of the nation's joggers is fine, but if it wants to be a big-time sport, it has to position itself as such for the media. Choose all the shlubs you want, but make that a totally different thing from the elite athletes, who should have their own award--one that can marketed nationally--during the season. If nobody gets an award for much of the year, nothing is lost. Been a while since we had one for baseball, as I recall, and that hasn't diminished the concept. Indeed, only makes it shine brighter. There's a lesson there for USaTF. gh
t-and-f: Multi event
Pretty sure that the event they used to run in Michigan? didn't have this many miles. www.ENDURrun.com Regards, Martin
RE: t-and-f: AOY - French version
I believe one reason why the French don't particularly like Lance is that he has not made much of an effort to learn French (they still think it's the internatioinal language!), while Lemond was based there and spoke it fluently. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: Breathing Technique?
The amount of air you can breathe in and out is NOT a limiting factor in running. What matters is how much blood you can pump to your lungs and then to the working muscles. That's not to say that developing a consistent breathing pattern that makes an athlete comfortable isn't important, but consciously trying to breathe in more air will only hurt you. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year
- Armstrong is praised as being unique among cyclists to be training for the TdF 7 months beforehand. Are all cyclists such wimps that such training seems arduous? If a long distance runner isn't training virtually year round, they're either not successful or considered a freak of nature. I also remember another story about how Armstrong was the first to use training techniques already common among runners 20 years ago. I think Armstrong might be the Ron Clarke of cycling, lifting the sport out of its tradition ridden roots that prevent truly hard training. I don't think other cyclists are losing to Lance in Le Tour because they're not training hard. Apart from being the best cyclist in the world, Lance points toward the Tour more than anyone else, it seems. Has he done the Giro (Tour of Italy) at all before the previous four Tours? Lance will be the first to name Eddy Merkcx (sp?) as the greatest of all time, because he won everything, not just 5 Tours. He won the Giro, the Vuelta (Tour of Spain), the winter classics, the fall classics, the World Championships, etc. Sure, the Tour is the biggest and best, but I think it's a shame when the top athletes only point toward the one big race. Ron Clarke was so great because he raced everywhere and anywhere all year. I did read an interesting article about how Lance's higher pedaling cadence is being adopted by other riders and has been shown by research to be more effiicent. A slower cadence (on a tougher gear) builds up more occlusion (intra-muscular) pressure, making it harder for oxygen to enter and wastes to leave the muscles. sideshow Richard McCann
Re: t-and-f: Breathing Technique?
This is of great interest to me personally right now (not for my own use but for my son)- he is 16, and a cross country runner for 3 years with track interest as well. Modest top third-of-the-pack accomplishments, not a superstar or anything. He just suffered two collapsed lungs (same lung) just 3 weeks apart, and underwent a lung resection last Friday, and came home from the hospital last night. Both occurances resulted in a chest tube being inserted between the ribs, to introduce a vacuum to the chest cavity, so as to suck out the oxygen/nitrogen that shouldn't be there, the pressure differential then allowing the lung to reflate. The resection was to remove two small areas of lung tissue where the surgeon thought a 'blem' was located- a lung leak. Internal surgical staples where the tissue was resectioned will dissolve on their own. The surgeon also did some kind of 'abrasing' of the chest wall (in the back) so that scar tissue would form to the lung to help keep in inflated. My son is 5'11, but only 119 lbs- very skinny. I was also 5'11 and skinny at his age, but weighed about 135 at that time, and never had any lung problems. Cause of the lung collapses is currently unknown. Doctors say it is not too uncommon for tall thin males to suffer a 'spontaneous' collapse, or partial collapse (first time for my son was 30%, second time three weeks later was 20%). At the large medical center hospital where he was admitted (in a large urban area), they said they get 5 or 6 of these a year. They are now testing for allergies and stuff- an initial screening for asthma was negative- to see if they can figure out any cause or 'trigger'. My casual observation is that his normal breathing 'at rest'- like when watching TV- seems to be shallow- he doesn't inhale or exhale nearly as deeply as I do. My son is also now worried about getting back into training, although the doctors say there shouldn't be anything to be worry about, after a couple of weeks of post-op recovery. Do any you have any experience with athletes you've coached, or teammates, who've had collapsed lungs? Is there anything special to keep in mind in training? You can e-mail me either off-line, or on-line if you have something that you think others might benefit from hearing. RT
Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version
But he has. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe one reason why the French don't particularly like Lance is that he has not made much of an effort to learn French (they still think it's the internatioinal language!), while Lemond was based there and spoke it fluently. sideshow
RE: Re: t-and-f: USATF - athlete of the week
Thanks, Steve. Just to elaborate further, Athlete of the Week releases have resulted in at least one Faces in the Crowd feature in Sports Illustrated each year - usually junior or masters athletes - in addition to generating local coverage of track. (This forum might be surprised at which of our AOWs have been chosen by SI, a magazine I haven't heard criticized for diluting the world of sport.) AOW remains one of the most popular and oft-used features of the Communications Department. On an amusing note, at our Annual Meetings, Athlete of the Week certificates - which include a color photo of the athlete - are displayed and are regularly stolen, by elite athletes and Association delegates alike. This t-and-f email list of course is focused on elite track and field, and the vast majority of USATF releases are focused on our elite athletes. The Athlete of the Week releases serve a number of constituencies, in keeping with USATF's Mission Statement, which is ... to promote the pursuit of excellence from youth to masters, from grassroots to the Olympic Games. Best, Jill Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Vaitones Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: t-and-f: USATF - athlete of the week X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote And while we're ragging on USATF, does anybody else think this athlete of the week stuff borders on just silly? Not to diss those among the athletes who may actually be deserving, but as long as we're diluting the value of things by dredging up someone, anyone, every week, why not just have athlete of the day to dilute the value even further? Then we could start including USATF bureaucrafts who jog and they could congratulate themselves even more. Score one against the above opinion. Seems like every college conference and sport has a flavor of the week now, and it usually gets some attention in newspapers. They may also include rookie of the week along with player of the week. They'll always recognize someone and won't hold out because this week no one did anything of note - the releases are regular during the season and an outlet will always be expecting some press from that conference. The major papers might just note the name in the agate along with league standings, but a round-up column on the sport may elaborate more on them. When these releases get to the smaller local dailies or weeklies, they usually get a few inches of ink - that's what the local papers look for and do best. The New Tribune doesn't care that the Average 10 Conference named Bud Tugley athlete of the week for running the league's fastest mile of the year when Average University ran the first meet of the year before anyone else. it's a local athlete that was honored, and track got coverage. If the papers give some attention to the sport because a local athlete got an award, all the better for the sport; it might be more than they cover otherwise.
Re: t-and-f: Multi event
Pretty sure that the event they used to run in Michigan? didn't have this many miles. www.ENDURrun.com A true test of endurance? Maybe a true test of recovery ability. They are doing 160K over a week's time while the world record for 100 miles ( which is just over 160K) is about 11:30. The word record for 6 days of continuous running is over 650 miles - now that's a true test of endurance. I should also note that close to 650 miles was accomplished in 6 days back in the 19th century as well. It sounds like fun to compete in but it's hardly a superhuman situation. I bet some elite marathoners run more than 160K in a regular training week faster than the winner of this race will do. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Breathing Technique?
The amount of air you can breathe in and out is NOT a limiting factor in running. What matters is how much blood you can pump to your lungs and then to the working muscles. That's not to say that developing a consistent breathing pattern that makes an athlete comfortable isn't important, but consciously trying to breathe in more air will only hurt you. sideshow Stroke volume and improved hemoglobin/red blood count are two of the top items to target for training to achieve the largest performance gains. I recently read of a book by Cordner Nelson, Advanced Running Book. Maybe it is outdated science. He spends three pages on the subject. This is something he suggests an athlete work on for that last 2-3 percent gain. He concludes the topic by stating we just don't normally exhale hard or deep enough. He points out a good many studies and expert opinions. Now that I have reread it, he suggests what I came to naturally as a kid, 2-3 shallow inhales followed by a single hard fast exhale. He spends 6 pages on stroke volume and improvement of the blood solids. Jerry
RE: Re: t-and-f: USATF - athlete of the week
I agree with Steve on this one. We need more good promotional tools and not less. One thing I thought of at the convention as I looked at the display (and the sign asking people not to steal the pictures-lol) was that the award covered the many categories under which track and cc is contested. There were masters and other age group competitors and that (as much as some list members bemoan it) is part of what should make the sport marketable. You see this with basketball and soccer-leagues of all sorts for all ages and since we already do this why don't we continue to use it toward our advantage. Maybe we could get over the mascot thing if it helps kids get fired up for our sports? Will a mascot you don't agree with really lessen you enjoyment of the sport? I hope not, to me it's the best thing(s) going. Instead of pissing and moaning over such trivial things, why don't you folks make a New Years resolution that you will actually DO something to promote the sport. Volunteer to officiate an age group, or junior high, hs, or collegiate meet. Better yet, put one on (you'll definitely appreciate the efforts of others then) or volunteer to help coach a team or start a summer or even year round club. It's easy to take the pot shots, but much more difficult, but meaningful, to get involved. Get involved with your local USATF association, I can hardly think of one that would turn down your help. Attend meets! I am constantly amazed at my former collegiate teammates who won't drive 10 miles to see a good college or hs meet, but will take vacations in Las Vegas every year-put your money where your mouth is and realize that it takes grass roots efforts by those of us who profess to care to get this thing where we would all like to see it. GET INVOLVED OR QUIT BITCHING!! Keith Whitman Head Coach Cross Country/Track Field Muskingum College New Concord, Ohio http://www.muskingum.edu (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax Galations 2:20
t-and-f: mascot theft
Some of you may already be aware of this, but in light of USATF's mascot borrowing and upcoming name finalization, we at Run-Down have chosen to give it an honorary 3rd home (for the second time): http://run-down.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1032 If you haven't gotten tired of ripping on the furball, feel free to chime in to that thread. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year
I don't think other cyclists are losing to Lance in Le Tour because they're not training hard. Apart from being the best cyclist in the world, Lance points toward the Tour more than anyone else, it seems. Has he done the Giro (Tour of Italy) at all before the previous four Tours? Lance will be the first to name Eddy Merkcx (sp?) as the greatest of all time, because he won everything, not just 5 Tours. He won the Giro, the Vuelta (Tour of Spain), the winter classics, the fall classics, the World Championships, etc. Sure, the Tour is the biggest and best, but I think it's a shame when the top athletes only point toward the one big race. Ron Clarke was so great because he raced everywhere and anywhere all year. I did read an interesting article about how Lance's higher pedaling cadence is being adopted by other riders and has been shown by research to be more effiicent. A slower cadence (on a tougher gear) builds up more occlusion (intra-muscular) pressure, making it harder for oxygen to enter and wastes to leave the muscles. sideshow First of all, regarding some previous comments, Lance's french is fairly decent, at least for the past year or two he has been making an effort to speak to the french press (in french) after stages, often before giving interview to OLN crew. I think that while there was some initial resentment (how would americans feel if french beat them in basketball or baseball?), the attitude has shifted towards positive in the past couple of years. The anti-Lance french sentiment has been over-reported, perhaps simply because it makes a great story (A Texan vs. snobby french). He may never be as popular as Jalabert, but he is still a hero to many french fans - and you can see it in tour coverage by reaction from french spectators. Lance is certainly better accepted than most spanish or italian riders over there. As to Dopey comments - I feel that incident has been over-hyped as well. There will always be some crazy fan yelling something and there will be some doping accusations - amazingly enough most recent ones came from 60 minutes, does it mean he is universally hated in US? I am not buying the argument that Lance has to win Giro and Vuelta before he is considered one of the greats. It often comes from the same people who would argue that it's Lance's devotion to details (such as riding over key mountain stages of upcoming Tour in training many times before he gets it right) that makes him so great at the Tour and that other riders should try to copy this single-focused training from Lance, instead of simply riding themselves into shape over spring classics. There was a number of different reasons for why Lance's TdF wins are some sort of a fluke - first the favorites weren't present, then they were all there, but he didn't win the stage, well, not until the very end, then he won a bunch of stages but now we also want him to win other key Tours. You don't see that many podium finishers at the Tour aiming for a podium in Vuelta or Giro - the Tour is hard enough nowadays. In track and field, it's like asking Khannouchi to set world records year-around at all kinds of distances, instead of peaking for one (or two) marathons a year (and would he still be the best marathoner of the year if he didn't race Chicago - based solely on his London win over Tergat and Geb in a world best?) or claiming that Gebrselassie should never be considered as great as Nurmi or Zatopek unless he can win 5,000m, 10,000m and a marathon in the same Olympics, or that ElGuerrouj should set WRs in 800 to be as great as Coe. Oleg.
Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version
It's my understanding that Lance speaks French and conducts interviews in French. I've heard him speak it on the OLN coverage during the Tour. At least briefly. Jim Boughter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe one reason why the French don't particularly like Lance is that he has not made much of an effort to learn French (they still think it's the internatioinal language!), while Lemond was based there and spoke it fluently. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: Breathing Technique?
The amount of air you can breathe in and out is NOT a limiting factor in running. What matters is how much blood you can pump to your lungs and then to the working muscles. Which is why those silly-looking breathe right nose strips are bogus. Mechanically flairing you nostrils 10% wider is going to account for only a minute increase in the amount of air in your lungs - air that was already in excess. Any benefit gained from those devices is purely psychological. Kurt Bray _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: t-and-f: Breathing Technique?
Have any of you working on breathing technique that resulted in a performance gain? See http://www.breathplay.com/magazines.html for articles about a technical approach to breathing invented by Ian Jackson (author of Yoga and the Athlete from 1975, former marathoner, now a coach/consultant) that some triathletes and cyclists swear by. The article from Runner's World by Jackson on the 2nd row of magazine covers tells how he stumbled onto the technique. I can recall seeing at least one testimonial someplace on this site several weeks ago that claimed significant success dealing with a child's asthma, also. The technique is controversial, of course, as you would expect, lauded by some, scoffed at by others, but interesting to read about. Herb
t-and-f: USATF News Notes: January 3, 2003
Contact: Melvin Jackson II Communications Coordinator USA Track Field (317) 261-0478 x322 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF News Notes Volume 4, Number 1January 3, 2003 === In this edition: === - Bowling Green track coach remembered === Bowling Green track coach remembered Bowling Green State University's (BGSU) former track and cross country coach, Mel Brodt, passed away Tuesday at his home in Florida after a long battle with cancer. He was 76. Brodt was the national coach of the year in 1972 after leading the Falcons to a second-place finish in the NCAA Indoor Track Field Championships. In serving 25 years as BGSU's cross country coach and 20 seasons as men's track coach, Brodt mentored 53 Division I All-Americans, one Olympic champion (Dave Wottle), one world record holder, three American event record holders and the 1992 Mid-American Conference (MAC) champions. Brodt was inducted into the U.S. Track Coaches Hall of Fame last month, and has been in the Ohio Association of Track Coaches Hall of Fame for more than 30 years. Brodt's cross country accomplishments included four consecutive top 10 NCAA Championship finishes (1969-72), the 1969 MAC cross country championship, and runner-up finishes seven other times. Under Brodt's leadership, BGSU won the NCAA District IV Regional Championship in 1972, and took four Ohio Intercollegiate titles, two Central Collegiate Championships and four Notre Dame Invitational titles. Brodt's track teams won seven major championships, including the 1972 MAC title. Brodt was a four-year letterman in track and a two-year letterman in cross country at Miami University of Ohio. He began his coaching career in 1950 at John Adams High School in Cleveland, Ohio. Brodt led John Adams High to two state track and field championships and two state cross country championships within a 10-year period. A memorial service will be held in Bowling Green, Ohio later in the spring. # # # PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE: If you would like to respond, please direct your e-mail to the Contact person listed at the top of the text of this message. To be removed from this mailing list or to notify us of a change in your e-mail address, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
Hello all, This is not a test or competition, I am just curious... Who do you think is the best American track and field athlete to compete in the trials, but never make an Olympic Team? Maybe even break it down by sector (thrower, jumper, middle distance, Long distance, sprinter, hurdler, male, female) Thanks, -Valerie
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
Did David Patrick ever qualify for an Olympic Team?
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
Great question! Did Adolph Plummer ever compete in the Trials--say '64? The spirit of the question seems to demand that the individual had a reasonably long and accomplished career but just didn't make the team. Good excuse to go through some old TFNs!
t-and-f: The French Team and Lance
Here is the gist of what happened. After he signed his contract with Codifis, the Codifis guy came over to the US when he got sick and was undergoing chemo. Lance thought that he wanted to get a look at him and how sick he really was. Once he saw him, he said to Carmichael that the French wouldn't understand the concept of someone getting paid and not working(this is the same country that has legislated 28 hour work weeks-please) and he said that he wanted to renegotiate the contract. He also said that if he wouldn't accept the new terms then they would force him to take a medical which, of course, the bald Lance with no white blood cells unable to stand would not pass which means no money. Carmichael said ***-I don't think it's too difficult to interpret that. Lance, however, ended up eating crow and taking 125,000 per year because at that point he didn't know that Oakley, a good old American company, would step up to the plate with respect to his medical costs with their insurer. Guess what, he still is with Oakley. How about Codifis? No love lost. Read the book. It's just bidness, right? Regards, Martin Didn't I read in Armstrong's biography that he had a contract with one of the French teams at the time that his cancer was diagnosed and they walked away from him? Bill Bahnfleth At 12:16 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, Bloomquist, Bret wrote: That is not accurate, I am afraid. Every Tour De France winner is held in high appreciated and a multiple winner - all the more. UG I was under the impression, however, that the French did appreciate LeMond, partly because he was on a French team.
t-and-f: Re: TF Multi event
whatever happened to the ultimate runner challenge/pentathlon? I remember seeing it in Runners World from the 1980's. Starts off in the AM with a 10K road race, followed by (spread out) 100m, 400m, the mile; and ends with a late afternoon 26.2 mile marathon? Points are used to determine the overall winner. Jimson - Original Message - From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pretty sure that the event they used to run in Michigan? didn't have this many miles. www.ENDURrun.com
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
Steve Williams is a good candidate off the top. In top form he would have whupped Hasely Crawford to win the '76 100, gotten no worse than silver behind Don Quarrie in the 200 and added another gold in the 4x1. From: Valerie Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Valerie Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:01:42 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? Hello all, This is not a test or competition, I am just curious... Who do you think is the best American track and field athlete to compete in the trials, but never make an Olympic Team? Maybe even break it down by sector (thrower, jumper, middle distance, Long distance, sprinter, hurdler, male, female) Thanks, -Valerie
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
depends on how you want to define the word Olympian. The USOC considers Skeets (and the rest of the high Eugene finishers) as the '80 Olympic Team. TFN splits hairs and calls them Olympic Team members, but reserves the term Olympian for somebody who actually goes to the Olympics. gh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:06:09 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? How about Renaldo Nehemiah Dan Doherty Original Message: - From: Valerie Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:01:42 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? Hello all, This is not a test or competition, I am just curious... Who do you think is the best American track and field athlete to compete in the trials, but never make an Olympic Team? Maybe even break it down by sector (thrower, jumper, middle distance, Long distance, sprinter, hurdler, male, female) Thanks, -Valerie mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
The '64 OT is a bit of a strange bird. That was the year where they had SFOT in July, then ran the OT as finals-only in September. (If you think NCAA Regionals are a good idea, there's something to be said for a killer 2-day meet.) Plummer ran 55.9 in his heat in July, didn't make that final, so obviously wasn't at the OT. gh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 17:57:28 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Valerie Manning), [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? Great question! Did Adolph Plummer ever compete in the Trials--say '64? The spirit of the question seems to demand that the individual had a reasonably long and accomplished career but just didn't make the team. Good excuse to go through some old TFNs!
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
DISTANCE: Mark Nenow, Lisa Weidenbach Ryan Lamppa
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
In a message dated 1/3/2003 5:01:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Valerie Manning[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello all, This is not a test or competition, I am just curious... Who do you think is the best American track and field athlete to compete in the trials, but never make an Olympic Team? Maybe even break it down by sector (thrower, jumper, middle distance, Long distance, sprinter, hurdler, male, female) Steve Williams was ranked #1 in the world in the 100 in 1973 and 1975(#2 in 1974), but was hurt at the 1976 Trials and didn't make it out of the 2nd round. In 1960, Charlie Tidwell (Kansas) won the NCAA 100 and 200 and equalled the 100 record 0f 10.1 3 weeks prior to the Trials, but pulled up in the final of the Trials 100. Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
In a message dated 1/3/2003 5:23:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did David Patrick ever qualify for an Olympic Team? David Patrick the 400-hurdler finished 8th at the 1992 Games in Barcelona Dave Patrick the 1500 man from Villanova got screwed in 1968 after thinking he had secured a berth on the U.S. team after winning the first Trials race in L.A. The selection rules were changed before the second set of Trials were held in Lake Tahoe, where a frustrated Patrick finished a non-qualifying 4th behind Jim Ryun, a young Marty Liquori, and Tom Von Ruden. Patrick had beaten Ryun in the 1/2-mile(and set a world record) at the 1967 NCAA Indoor Championships. Walt Murphy Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Charley Fonville...
Charley Fonville of U of Michigan was world record holder in shot put heading into 1948 Trials...he didn't get to London Elliott Denman...
Re: t-and-f: Charley Fonville...
Gil Dodds was America's greatest miler early in 1948...he ran world indoor record 4:05.3 that was an incredible front-running performance and left a huge impression on this then-lad in the balcony of the old Madison Sq. GardenAnd Gil Dodds didn't get to London, either Elliott Denman..
Re: t-and-f: Charley Fonville...
Elliott Denham beat me to Fonville. But how about Dick Attlesey as the high hurdles representative? Bill Allen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: t-and-f: Charley Fonville... Charley Fonville of U of Michigan was world record holder in shot put heading into 1948 Trials...he didn't get to London Elliott Denman...
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
John Uelses, the first 16-foot vaulter, competed in the Randalls Island semi-final trials in 1964. Bill Allen - Original Message - From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? The '64 OT is a bit of a strange bird. That was the year where they had SFOT in July, then ran the OT as finals-only in September. (If you think NCAA Regionals are a good idea, there's something to be said for a killer 2-day meet.) Plummer ran 55.9 in his heat in July, didn't make that final, so obviously wasn't at the OT. gh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 17:57:28 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Valerie Manning), [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? Great question! Did Adolph Plummer ever compete in the Trials--say '64? The spirit of the question seems to demand that the individual had a reasonably long and accomplished career but just didn't make the team. Good excuse to go through some old TFNs!
t-and-f: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:08:52 -0800
Netters: The uestion of who was the best US athlete to compete in the trials and not make the Olympics is, of course, a complex one: There are really three categroies: 1) Those great athletes who had the Olympics taken away from them by war 2) Those who qualified in 1980 and were denied the chance to compete 3) Those who just had an off day in the trials I don't know enopugh about the 1916 hopefuls to offer an opinion there, but the 1940-44 group included some of the finest the U.S. has ever had, among them giants like Cornelius Warmerdam, Al Blozis and Harold Davis. Obviously, I would put Skeets at the head of those who fell victim to the 1980 boycott. The final category has a legion of candidates, among them George Varoff who set a PV WR a week before the final trials in 1936, then was the odd man out at Randalls island. And there were all those 100M men who fell by the weyside in 1952, though most of them never got to the trials because of injuries. Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
Three high jumpers who held the world record at one time or another (in addition to team members Cornelius Johnson and Dave Albritton) qualified for the 1936 trials, and at least two of them competed but did not make the team--Mel Walker and Walter Marty, a little after his time. The third is Les Steers, then a high-school sophomore. Anybody know whether he actually came east to compete at Randalls Island? Eulace Peacock also qualified for those trials. Did he compete or was he hurt? And another, later, high jumper is a candidate -- Ernie Shelton was about the most consistent jumper around at the time of the 1956 trials but finished fifth. Bill Allen - Original Message - From: Valerie Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? Hello all, This is not a test or competition, I am just curious... Who do you think is the best American track and field athlete to compete in the trials, but never make an Olympic Team? Maybe even break it down by sector (thrower, jumper, middle distance, Long distance, sprinter, hurdler, male, female) Thanks, -Valerie
Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian?
no sign of Steers in Richard Hymans' definitive work on the OT. Peacock was last in his heat of the 100, was 9th in the LJ (23-3). From: Bill Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Bill Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 23:03:35 -0500 To: Valerie Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? Three high jumpers who held the world record at one time or another (in addition to team members Cornelius Johnson and Dave Albritton) qualified for the 1936 trials, and at least two of them competed but did not make the team--Mel Walker and Walter Marty, a little after his time. The third is Les Steers, then a high-school sophomore. Anybody know whether he actually came east to compete at Randalls Island? Eulace Peacock also qualified for those trials. Did he compete or was he hurt? And another, later, high jumper is a candidate -- Ernie Shelton was about the most consistent jumper around at the time of the 1956 trials but finished fifth. Bill Allen - Original Message - From: Valerie Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: t-and-f: The best NON-olympian? Hello all, This is not a test or competition, I am just curious... Who do you think is the best American track and field athlete to compete in the trials, but never make an Olympic Team? Maybe even break it down by sector (thrower, jumper, middle distance, Long distance, sprinter, hurdler, male, female) Thanks, -Valerie
