t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: 7 Officers of U.S.O.C. Press Its President to Resign
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7 Officers of U.S.O.C. Press Its President to Resign January 22, 2003 By RICHARD SANDOMIR Seven officers of the United States Olympic Committee yesterday demanded the resignation of the organization's president, Marty Mankamyer, saying that she had interfered improperly in the investigation into whether Lloyd Ward, the organization's chief executive, had violated its ethics code. She no longer has our support and doesn't have the necessary leadership skills to continue, Bill Stapleton, one of five vice presidents of the Olympic committee who publicly demanded that Mankamyer step down, said in a conference call with reporters. The seven officials, all of whom are members of the organization's executive committee, said that if Mankamyer did not step down, they would initiate the process of firing her, starting at a meeting of the executive committee Feb. 8 and 9. Mankamyer, who said none of the officials had called her to request her resignation, said she would not quit. We approach things in a different way, she said. I think as we move forward we can work together. She said the more pressing issue for her was a meeting in Washington next week between Olympic committee officials and Senators Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska, and Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Republican of Colorado. The senators demanded the meeting last week as discord engulfed the Olympic committee over accusations of a conflict of interest by Ward; they said then that changes to the Amateur Sports Act of 1978 might be required to mend the organization's governance problems. I think that's going to be a turning point, Mankamyer said. The unrest on the committee prompted David F. D'Alessandro, the chairman of John Hancock Financial Services, which is a worldwide Olympic sponsor, to raise serious questions yesterday in a seven-page letter to Ward and Mankamyer about how the committee raises and spends money, and how sponsorship fees are used. It is no longer possible to overlook the seemingly nonstop turmoil and controversy that afflict your organization, D'Alessandro wrote in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times. In an interview, D'Alessandro said of the Olympic committee: It's a dysfunctional family that keeps electing the daft cousin or uncle to the top job. Their bureaucracy must be blown up and restructured. Mankamyer is the organization's third president since 2000; Ward is its fourth chief executive in three years. The ultimatum to Mankamyer, who was elected only six months ago, was related to the investigation of Ward, who was accused of having helped his brother's company try to secure a contract for the coming Pan American Games. After the 10-person ethics panel ruled that Ward's action created the appearance of a conflict of interest, the executive committee concurred, saying the only punitive action would involve the possibility of reducing Ward's annual bonus, which comes to several hundred thousand dollars if he meets certain performance targets. In the aftermath, one Olympic committee board member, Brian Derwin, resigned, followed by the resignations of the organization's ethics compliance officer and three ethics committee members. Derwin, a supporter of Mankamyer and a former Olympic weight lifter, yesterday called the demand for her resignation an example of politics over integrity. I hope she stays, Derwin said. I think she's right. The demand for Mankamyer to step down came from Ward's powerful backers: the five vice presidents of the Olympic committee and the chairmen of its athletes advisory council and national governing bodies council. The seven officials said yesterday that while Ward had violated the Olympic committee's ethics code, he did not deserve to be dismissed. Stapleton said the officials believe Mankamyer's behavior put Lloyd Ward in a very unfair situation. In a what amounted to an indictment of Mankamyer's brief presidency and her involvement in the Ward inquiry, the officers issued a five-page statement that was bolstered by their remarks during the subsequent conference call with reporters. They said in their written statement that Mankamyer had orchestrated an anti-Ward campaign to present the most damaging information and to present it in a way that would encourage the executive committee and the public to prejudge Mr. Ward as unfit for continued employment. They contended that Mankamyer had used her position to undermine the ability of the ethics committee to conduct a fair review of Ward. The group said she used her control over executive committee meetings and agendas, along with the identification of select documents to present to the 21-person executive committee, to undermine Ward. They also said in the statement that Mankamyer had repeatedly raised questions about Mr. Ward's character, his performance of his obligations as U.S.O.C. chief executive
RE: t-and-f: UW Indoor Meet Attendance Error
They did have outdoor meets, UG
t-and-f: Drug study
Of the 400 former Serie A and Serie B players who died between 1960 and 1996, Guariniello is treating 70 of the deaths as manslaughter. http://waymoresports.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=waymoresports/Layout/Article_Type1c=Articlecid=1035776908778call_page=WM_Columnistscall_pageid=980137871627call_pagepath=Columnists/Columnists Regards, Martin
RE: t-and-f: It's not fair...
Hello to you also Elliott. Elliott is TOTALLY RIGHT, here is a man who Here is a man who knows T F especially in NJ. With his work with the Asbury Park press to the Nationally Ranked Shore AC Track Club Elliott knows what he is talking about. NJ really needs to do something about this problem. NJ has consistently proven year after year that they have some of the best HS athletes in the nation, without a venue where they can shine, the future of T F in NJ is bleak! Bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:57 PM To: Berry,Bruce Subject: Re: t-and-f: It's not fair... Hi Bruce::: AND PLEASE TRY TO RELAY THIS MESSAGE TO EVERY NJ TRACK EPRSON YOU CAN THINK OF::: 1. It is more than high time that NJ high schools, as well as colleges and open athletes, had a decent place of their own to conduct indoor track meets each year from December to March... 2. It is truly time for all of us to band together to get something done!! 3. A few suggestions: (a) Refurbish and rebuild an existing building...best candidate perhaps being the Jersey City Armory...and build it up to NY Armory Track Center standards... (b) Work something out with one of the state colleges, preferably one with a strong track program) to get a campus track building builtwith adequate dates set aside annually and guaranteed for the NJ HS program... 4...And this is the idea I feel most strongly about... In all the talk of building a Newark Arena - with our money - for people to pay huge prices to see zillionaire hockey and basketball players cavort, there is no talk of any collateral benefit to real people whose primary interest may not be watching these athletes play their games... I suggest we follow the great example of Prince George's County in Landover, Md. which, in providing land and roads, etc. to the NFL Redskins' for the construction of their magnificent FedEx Stadium, also insisted the Redskins give something back to the real people. And so - as I understand it - the magnificent Prince George's Athletic and Learning Center was built on adjacent land and is now a truly great facility... It has a marvelous 200m indoor track stadium (with seating for several thousand) which is site of Nike Indoor Scholastic meet in March...and many more meets all winter long...and next to the track building are marvelous swimming and gymnastics facilities, etc My bottom line strong feeling:: Before the state of NJ or the city of Newark or the Devils or Nets or YankeeNets or whoever it is...before they get a single cent of public funds, they ought to be made to pledge to give something back and the type of facility I mentioned is the best possible way to do just that... 5...Please let us petition the governor and every major political leader in the state and every member of the NJ Sports and Exposition Authority...demanding that something like this be built NOW As the Newark project discussion continues, it is time now to get this most important word out to those who hold power and make decisions... Track and field involves thousand and thousands of people...we are voters and taxpayers...We need to be heard!!! Sincerely, Elliott Denman West Long Branch, NJ USA..
t-and-f: 2003 u.s. winter cross interactive course tour
listers, etc.: for the benefit of any who will be running in this meet, or who know others who will be running or who will be spectating, an online interactive preview tour of the course has been posted: http://www.mensracing.com/news/2003/houstonxccourse.html _ Sign up for a 6mb FREE email from http://www.spl.at Join the buzz, chat with us! http://chat.spl.at _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag
RE: t-and-f: re It's not fair
The money aspect is very true. As the former Head Coach at Elizabeth HS I was spending indoors and outdoors (not XC), boys and girls, including indoor relays approx. $1,300 - $1,500 (per team/meet) a year in entry fees to the NJSIAA. Out of the 300+ schools in NJ lets say that 150 of them spent the same $13,000 - $15,000 per year then add half those amounts for the other schools in the state. Subtract a pool of officials paid very well, there is still A LOT of loot that is there. Bruce -Original Message- From: Ed Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:51 PM To: track net Subject: t-and-f: re It's not fair Netters: The situation in NJ is more complicated than either Larry Morgan or Bob Kiessling has indicated in their posts What they did not say is that the NJSIAA reaps a huge profit each e=year from track and field entries in the three seasons---CC, indoor and out. The indoor profit is the smallest because of the heavy costs in renting Provecton, but still considerable. The total for the three seasons is well into six figures and tis has been going on for years/. What's wrong with this? Two things. 1) It means that the track and field budgets at state high schools are used to subsidize other state tournaments on which the state loses money; 2) the other profitable sports---football, baseketball, wrestling---earn their money from the gate, not from heavy entry fees. (In football, for example, the NJSIAA takes all the gate from playoff games after expenses have been paid; the schools get nothing). Princeton has no obligation to host the championships. It is a private institution. In fact there would hardly be an indoor season at all in New Jersey were it not for private schools and colleges; the only public facitilites are a 160M track at Red Bank Regional (now used exclusively by Shore area schools; the onetime open invitation meets have disappeared, partly because the NJISIAA does not allow the indoor season to begin util the third week in December, and the totally inadequate 12-lap-to-a-mile board track painted around the basketball court at Elizabeth HS, a facility used only for Union County meets (which several county schools will not enter because ot the facility). A third public facility has recently reopened and will be improved greatly by next winter---the Jersey City Armory where the state program was resuscitated 40 years ago. A 200-meter Mondo track is due to be installed there following this indoor season.In time, it could be suitable again for the state meets. There is no chance that the state meet would ever cross the river to the NY Armory even if dates were available there--this would be too much of an embarrassment, not only for the NJSIAA, but for NJ politicians as well. The press must take part of the responsibility for the present situation. The Star-Ledger, for example, is totally in the lap of the NJSISAA and has been for years. The other papers simply ignore the situation for the most part---most of the sports editors, frankly, would like track and field (particularly the indoor variety, to disappear. And track and field parents, for the most part, do not have the clout to change this situation On another subject which larry Morgan recently raised, New Jersey has had a four-event rule since it was adopted by the national Federation, but until this year, athletes had to divide them between track and field on either a 3-1 or 2-2 ratio. The first athlete to gain four golds in a single meet with largely individual medals was Megs Didario of Berkeley Heights last Friday night in the Mountain Valley Conference meet. Several others had done it in earlier relay meets. It will be a lot more common outdoors for two reasons: more short events and a two-day state meet (as well as several two-day county and league meets). Running four events on a very occasional basis in a two-day meet should pose no problem, but I'm afaraid that some coaches will make a regular thing of it in one-day meets, just as they have overrun athletes in the past when the limit was three events. Ed Grant.
t-and-f: National Depth--Shot/Discus
The following tables summarize the number of athletes each country placed in the world top-100 rankings for 2002 (plus ties) and the highest-ranked of these for each event. Since one or two placings may represent only exceptional individuals, rather than national program strength, I've condensed the lists to countries with three placings or more in the top 100. The data base drawn upon is the world list from Mirko Jalava's web site http://www.tilastopaja.com. MEN'S SHOT PUT 2002 WOMEN'S SHOT PUT 2002 Country Top 102 Highest Country Top 101 Highest United States 26 1 China 17 10 Finland 10 9 United States 16 9 Russia 6 34 Russia 9 1 Germany 5 14 Germany 7 4 Poland 5 51 Belarus 5 5 Ukraine 4 8 Italy4 27 Italy3 13 Romania 3 12 Czech Republic 3 27 South Africa 3 32 India3 39 Japan3 48 Croatia 3 41 France 3 54 33 countries represented33 countries represented 100th = 18.93 (62'1 1/4} 100th = 16.38m (53'8 3/4) NEN'S DISCUS THROW 2002 WOMEN'S DISCUS THROW 2002 Country Top 100 Highest Country Top 100 Highest United States 21 13 United States 15 1 Germany 8 6 China 13 19 Russia 7 2 Russia 8 2 Finland 7 12 Germany 6 13 Hungary 4 1 Greece 5 6 Great Britain4 28 Romania 5 9 Cuba 4 29 Belarus 4 3 Argentina4 30 India4 10 South Africa 3 3 Poland 3 23 Spain3 7 Ukraine 3 16 China3 58 Great Britain3 41 Cuba 3 50 37 countries represented32 countries represented 100th = 59.72m (195' 11 1/4) 100th = 55.33m (181'6 1/4)
Re: t-and-f: tf extinct
From: Tom Borish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tom Borish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:10:21 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: tf extinct On another note -- we were shot down from the NCAA and ESPN to provide a live webcast from the 2003 NCAA Indoor Track Field Championships as a part of Tracksharkmedia.org. Back to the drawing board... And I can tell you that anybody who wants to do the same at an IAAF Championships will run into similar resistance. It's important for governing bodies not to compromise the product they sell to TV for big bucks, which provides such a huge portion of the cash that keeps the sport going. gh
t-and-f: J Peters has sent you an article from NPR Online
This NPR article was sent to you by J Peters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the following message: An aside, somewhat in the '6 degrees' realm, Charles Forest was the Zatopek of Jeopardy many years ago, winning 5 games and the champions tournament going away. He returned once more for a super-champions tournament, and was introduced as executive of a human rights organization. (Kurt, do I have that right?) The article title is NPR : Iraqi Olympic Athletes and can be found at http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/segment.jhtml?wfId=930754
t-and-f: Re: UW attendance error
At 04:51 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote.. A professional tour stop (anyone else remember the old ITA besides me and Garry Hill and Bob Hersh?) reported crowds using a dart board, which obviously weren't connected to reality. Bill Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360/734-8892 voice 734-8820 fax I ran the sophomore high school mile in the 1974 version of that meet, thanx mostly to my connections with (pestering of?) Bill Richard McCann
t-and-f: Charles Forest/Iraqi Athletes
I haven't listened to the NPR piece due to firewalls on my work computer. I'll have to catch it tonight at home. But I don't think that this Charles Forest is the same Chuck Forrest who starred on Jeopardy, because their last names are spelled differently. I heard from insiders who were present at the special Million Dollar Jeopardy Tournament that during the interview segment Alex asked Chuck Forrest if the internet rumors about him being a CIA agent were true. He gave some evasive answer and then during the next break he complained that this was an inappropriate question and made them re-shoot the interview segment sans CIA questions. Despite his fearsome Jeopardy reputation, Chuck Forrest was well beaten in the first round of that special tournament by Rachael Schwartz - the same woman who defeated me in semi-finals of the 1994 Jeopardy Tournament of Champions. Kurt Bray This NPR article was sent to you by J Peters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the following message: An aside, somewhat in the '6 degrees' realm, Charles Forest was the Zatopek of Jeopardy many years ago, winning 5 games and the champions tournament going away. He returned once more for a super-champions tournament, and was introduced as executive of a human rights organization. (Kurt, do I have that right?) The article title is NPR : Iraqi Olympic Athletes and can be found at http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/segment.jhtml?wfId=930754 _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: t-and-f: Workout Revolution: Is Eight Minutes of Weights all You Need?
No offense to the vertically challenged types but you have to wonder if the guy promoting the 8 minutes a week workout program has shares in the company that sells this product: http://amplestuff.safeshopper.com/53/cat53.htm?545 Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All you people training your asses off clearly would appear to have it all wrong. More of the easy way out crap that pervades society. Workout Revolution: Is Eight Minutes of Weights all You Need? January 19, 2003 By ALEX KUCZYNSKI Strength-training evangelists are claiming they have people losing fat while keeping hearts healthy with only 20 minutes of weight-lifting a week. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/fashion/19FLEX.html?ex=1044084997ei=1en=8a09b9d585b8d960
Re: t-and-f: Charles Forest/Iraqi Athletes
First, my apoligies. I thought the NPR site would include some more information about the clip. It's an interview with Charles Forest, of Indict, a London-based organization, about torture of Iraqi Olympic athletes by the head of the Iraqi Olympic Committee, Hussein's oldest son. Kurt Bray wrote: I haven't listened to the NPR piece due to firewalls on my work computer. I'll have to catch it tonight at home. But I don't think that this Charles Forest is the same Chuck Forrest who starred on Jeopardy, because their last names are spelled differently. That's assuming NPR spelled it correctly. *shrug* I heard from insiders who were present at the special Million Dollar Jeopardy Tournament that during the interview segment Alex asked Chuck Forrest if the internet rumors about him being a CIA agent were true. He gave some evasive answer and then during the next break he complained that this was an inappropriate question and made them re-shoot the interview segment sans CIA questions. I distinctly remember him being introduced at the beginning as working in London for an unnamed human rights organization, and wondering if it was Amnesty International and why it was unnamed. (This was shortly after I graduated from college, and a couple of my classmates went to work for AI.) I suppose that doesn't rule out CIA connections. (a la Chuck Barris, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind) Despite his fearsome Jeopardy reputation, Chuck Forrest was well beaten in the first round of that special tournament by Rachael Schwartz - the same woman who defeated me in semi-finals of the 1994 Jeopardy Tournament of Champions. So, you're in elite company. :-) Was Rachael Schwartz a dark-haired marine biologist? (I met such a Jeopardy champion once.) Kurt Bray J. Peters, Jeopardy fan, wandering well off-topic -- Pacem en teris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wah
t-and-f: USATF News Notes: January 22, 2003
Contact: Melvin Jackson II Communications Coordinator USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x322 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF News Notes Volume 4, Number 8January 22, 2003 In this edition: - National 30 km Race Walk Championships roars into this weekend - 43rd L.A. Invitational Indoor Track Meet gears up for action - Star search in progress for the 2003 Suzuki Rock 'n' Roll Marathon National 30 km Race Walk Championships roars into this weekend The 2003 U.S. National 30 km Race Walk Championships will take place Saturday at the ARCO Olympic Training Center track in Chula Vista, Calif. Curt Clausen, Tim Seaman, Philip Dunn, John Nunn and Sean Albert are the men's favorites. Clausen holds the U.S. record at the distance and is the 1999 World Championships bronze medalist at 50 km, but Seaman is the reigning U.S. 30 km champion. Nunn walked fastest 20 km in 2002 among the favorites (1:24), Dunn has been improving with each championship race, and Albert, if health, could surprise with a top-three finish. In the women's race, 2002 champion Susan Armenta will be challenged by New York's Cheryl Rellinger and Arizona's Heidi Hauch. Hauch, who has the 30 km Masters Road record for her age bracket, will be shooting for the track record at Chula Vista. For more information on the 30 km Race Walk Championships, visit www.usatf.org. 43rd L.A. Invitational Indoor Track Meet gears up for action The 43rd L.A. Invitational Indoor Track Meet, the nation's second-oldest indoor competition, will be held Saturday, Feb.15, at the Los Angeles Sports Arena. The meet offers the opportunity for the nation's top collegians to share the spotlight with the Olympic stars. A total of 105 Olympic gold medal winners have competed in past editions of the L.A. Invitational, ranging from Parry O'Brien, Ralph Boston, Don Bragg and Wilma Rudolph in the early 1960s to Maurice Greene and Marion Jones, contemporary Olympic gold medalists. The high school and youth portion of the L.A. Invitational is one of the largest in the country. The best returning prep stars in the state and top national standouts will be invited to participate. For more information please visit www.frankenenterprises.com For ticket information call (213) 748-6131. Star search in progress for the 2003 Suzuki Rock 'n' Roll Marathon Organizers of the Suzuki Rock 'n' Roll Marathon are recruiting bands to play along the course at the sixth annual event in San Diego, Calif., on June 1, 2003. Organizers are looking for all formats of music for the event. Both musicians and participants will be rockin' for the Leukemia Lymphoma Society (LLS). The Suzuki Rock 'n' Roll Marathon has generated $60.1 million (net) for leukemia and lymphoma research and patient services in the race's five-year history through LLS's Team In Training program. More than 20,000 participants are expected to run and walk 26.2 miles to the unique sounds of more than 40 live bands selected to perform at the race. Those interested in jammin' along the course can apply now by sending a CD/tape, bio information and a photo to the Suzuki Rock 'n' Roll Marathon Entertainment Team, c/o Elite Racing, Inc., at 5452 Oberlin Drive, San Diego, Calif., 92121. For additional information, contact Jacki Holland at 858-450-6510 or visit www.rnrmarathon.com. # # # PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE: If you would like to respond, please direct your e-mail to the Contact person listed at the top of the text of this message. To be removed from this mailing list or to notify us of a change in your e-mail address, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: John Capel Interview. Dwight Thomas turns pro
Dwight Thomashttp://www.gatorsports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=GSDate=20030122Category=GATORSArtNo=301220009Ref=ARJohn Capelhttp://runflorida.com/highschool/2003track/JohnCapelInterview/JohnCapelInterview.htmAdd photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: t-and-f: Charles Forest/Iraqi Athletes
Was Rachael Schwartz a dark-haired marine biologist? (I met such a Jeopardy champion once.) Dark hair, yes. Marine biologist, no. Rachael Schwartz is an attorney. Kurt Bray _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: t-and-f: Drug study
this story might cause some raised eyebrows in San Francisco. I recall a story a decade or more ago about the fact that former 49ers had an abberrant rate of ALS problems. As I recall, they were looking into environmental considerations at Candlestick Park as a consideration. Maybe it's lawn fertilizer that's the culprit! (the people in the 49er cluster were of an age where drug abuse during their playing days notlikely to be a relative factor, as I recall) From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:37:26 -0500 To: Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Drug study Of the 400 former Serie A and Serie B players who died between 1960 and 1996, Guariniello is treating 70 of the deaths as manslaughter. http://waymoresports.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=waymoresport s/Layout/Article_Type1c=Articlecid=1035776908778call_page=WM_Columnistscal l_pageid=980137871627call_pagepath=Columnists/Columnists Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Coe calls for probe into doping coaches
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/030122/80/dm35x.html Coe calls for probe into doping coaches By Daniel Howden ATHENS (Reuters) - Twice Olympic 1,500 metres champion Sebastian Coe has called for an investigation into the coaches of athletes who fail drug tests. We have a responsibility to look forensically at the chain of custody and establish the credentials of the coach, the former MP told an anti-doping seminar. If you have evidence it should be the responsibility of the governing body to look beyond simply the competitor. I would like a little more emphasis to be put on the build-up, the chronology and the pathology because it is not simply about the competitor. Coe, the only man to retain the Olympic 1,500 title with wins in Moscow in 1980 and four years later in Los Angeles, said spectators could be watching a competition between chemists in the future. We have to fight, he said. In the 1970s and 1980s we ignored the issue. The real cancer in sport was not commercialism but athletes cheating to get where they are. We will always have a doping problem it's like the arms race. Spyros Capralos, Executive Director of the 2004 Athens Organising Committee (ATHOC), said it was committed to hosting a clean Games and would open a new anti-doping centre in time for the Olympics. Athens 2004 is very concerned about the use of drugs in sport, the harm it does to the idea of fair competition, to individual athletes and to those who idolise them, he said. The Greek athletics association (SEGAS) faced serious questions over its cooperation in doping controls from the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) in November last year. IAAF general secretary Istvan Gyulai complained that Greek athletes were not being made available for out-of-competition testing. SEGAS denied it had withheld competitors.
Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?
not quite: IAAF would consider for World Records and TFN would consider for Collegiate and High School Records, but USATF would *not* consider for American Records. Like the false-start rule, this is a place where the IAAF and USATF--which is usually pretty slavish in its following of rules--have parted ways. gh From: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:16:15 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal? Another thing I just noted from my records. The Indoor track at University of Washington doesn't have a curb. If it did, times on it could qualify as outdoor records. Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: No indoor record can be set on a track with a circumference greater than 220 yards. Rule 183.8. The trackceo needs a rule book! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y ask: Someone has wondered whether Tony Young's masters mile indoor record is legit given that it came on an oversized track (307m to the lap) at the University of Washington's Dempsey Indoor facility. My questions: What are USATF's rules regarding indoor records? Does size of track matter? What are TFN's rules for records on oversized tracks? Thanks muchly. Ken -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: MIAs
anybody have a clue as to where two big-name East Coast athletes have landed now that their HS careers are over? Glenn DiGiorgio and Tiffany Abney. Neither are on the recruiting forms we've received back from all the nation's major schools. gh
t-and-f: Trackshark journals on-line
The Trackshark Journals are now up for your reading pleasure. Kevin Hadsell, the Head Cross Country Coach/Distance at The University of Toledo makes his season debut. Look for more entries from athletes Josh Spiker of Wisconsin and Luke Watson of Notre Dame to be published soon as well. www.trackshark.com/journals Enjoy everyone! Tom Borish www.trackshark.com _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?
Bob Hersh says the same thing, but I just finished reading all of Article IV (the section about rules) of the 2003 USATF Rule Book on line and can find nothing that would prohibit an outdoor record from being set indoors. Rule 183 clearly says that indoor records must be set indoors, but no place in the rules does it say that an outdoor record must be set outdoors. The rules specify a track with a maximum lap length of 440 yards for races 200 m or longer, unbanked, of a substance on which normal running spikes can be used (but not wood), and having a raised curb. The radius of the outside lane used must not exceed 50 m, except for tracks with two different radii, in which case the outside lane used can have a radius greater than 50 m for no more than 60 degrees of the turn. Assuming these conditions were met, I don't see from the rules why an outdoor record couldn't be set indoors. The Dempsey track meets all the specifications except for the curb. I don't see any qualitative difference between a track like Dempsey (with a curb) and the proposed new facility at the Astrodome. Both would be fully enclosed. Would an American Record be denied on that facility? There is nothing in the rules specifying a minimum lap length or specifics of the stadium. ghill wrote: not quite: IAAF would consider for World Records and TFN would consider for Collegiate and High School Records, but USATF would *not* consider for American Records. Like the false-start rule, this is a place where the IAAF and USATF--which is usually pretty slavish in its following of rules--have parted ways. gh From: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:16:15 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal? Another thing I just noted from my records. The Indoor track at University of Washington doesn't have a curb. If it did, times on it could qualify as outdoor records. Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: No indoor record can be set on a track with a circumference greater than 220 yards. Rule 183.8. The trackceo needs a rule book! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y ask: Someone has wondered whether Tony Young's masters mile indoor record is legit given that it came on an oversized track (307m to the lap) at the University of Washington's Dempsey Indoor facility. My questions: What are USATF's rules regarding indoor records? Does size of track matter? What are TFN's rules for records on oversized tracks? Thanks muchly. Ken -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000) -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: America refuse to toe line on false start rule
The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 23 January 2003 Tom Knight The country who traditionally produce the world's quickest sprinters are a little slow out of the blocks in reacting to a change in the rules for events up to 400 metres. USA Track and Field, who run the sport in the United States, have - it seems - emerged somewhat bleary-eyed into 2003. Their apparent reluctance to fully embrace the changes in the false start regulations could lead to chaos and yet another clash with the world governing body, the International Association of Athletics Federations. The new rule, passed by a narrow majority of the IAAF congress before the 2001 World Championships in Edmonton, came into effect on Jan 1 and allows only one false start before athletes are disqualified from sprint events. After the first false start, any athlete who transgresses will automatically be given a red card, regardless of whether he or she was responsible for the initial violation. Formerly, athletes were disqualified after they had committed two false starts, as was the case with Linford Christie at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996. The change in the rules is controversial and stems from the IAAF's determination to make the sport slicker for television. It will cut out gamesmanship and help meetings keep to schedule. However, it will also mean an end to the tension of multiple false starts that can make a sprint final so exciting. The new rule was not approved without a fight. UK Athletics, led by their chief executive, Dave Moorcroft, joined USATF in speaking out against it and when news of the congress vote reached the athletes, Maurice Greene and Marion Jones were among those who immediately called for a rethink. The vote was so close that the IAAF accepted the effect of the new rule will have to be monitored closely. There is a chance that the rule could be rescinded at the next congress, before this summer's World Championships in Paris. However, for this year, at least, athletes and officials will have to get used to it. This is where USATF could come unstuck. Opposed to the change from the start and apparently convinced it will not survive, they plan to introduce the new rule only for those meetings in the US held under IAAF rules. So far, that means next week's Millrose Games in New York and all IAAF Grand Prix meetings staged in America, while the National Collegiate Athletic Association already use a far stricter 'one false start and you're out' rule. Alarmingly, a spokesman for USATF said they would revert to the old false start rule for their own national championships. She also said that if Greene, Tim Montgomery or any other sprinter broke a world record, they would submit it for the normal ratification by the IAAF. For their part, the IAAF are none too chuffed at the prospect of having to remind the Americans that, under the sport's new rules, the record would be invalid. The prospect remains of an American national record being quicker than the world record. Crazy. Needless to say, the IAAF will continue to persuade USATF to toe the line. It was only 10 days ago that USATF and the IAAF agreed to bury the hatchet after the row that followed the Americans' reluctance to name the athletes who had allegedly tested positive for drugs before the Sydney Olympics and the sport could do without another rumpus between the two. Unlike his counterpart in the US, Moorcroft has risen to the challenge. He said: Any new rule change inevitably leads to some nervousness from athletes and we want to ease the fears for those competing in our events. To that end, the rule will be used for all televised events in Britain, beginning with the Norwich Union International at Kelvin Hall, Glasgow, next weekend. The rule appears to hold no fears for Jason Gardener, the European indoor champion and record-holder. He said: With the old rule it has been very annoying, especially in championships where you could be in a semi-final and there could be six false starts. By the end of the race it can feel like a prolonged training session and you end up physically and mentally exhausted. A small twitch on the blocks could be drastic, with an athlete having to leave the arena without having been able to compete. But all athletes will have to become more disciplined. Alan Bell, a veteran of 23 seasons as a starter, is also a fan. He and his team of officials will undergo a series of training sessions with the new rule, in preparation for their leading role at the World Indoor Championships, which take place in Birmingham's National Indoor Arena on March 14-16. Those championships will offer the IAAF a definitive guide to how their new rule is working. An IAAF spokesman said: We think athletes will cope but we will be monitoring things throughout the year. The big test is the World Indoor Championships. Bell will be the chief starter there. We will have an experienced team of officials and the best technology available, which includes an
Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?
Message text written by Wayne T. Armbrust Bob Hersh says the same thing, but I just finished reading all of Article IV (the section about rules) of the 2003 USATF Rule Book on line and can find nothing that would prohibit an outdoor record from being set indoors. Rule 183 clearly says that indoor records must be set indoors, but no place in the rules does it say that an outdoor record must be set outdoors. The rules doesn't have to say it. If it's indoors, it can't be outdoors. The category itself defines the limitation. USATF recognizes American Outdoor Records and American Indoor Records. The IAAF, on the other hand, does not have World Outdoor Records, just World Records (and, of course, World Indoor Records). A mark set indoors can be a World Record without doing violence to the English language. But I don't see how an indoor performance can be an outdoor record. Moreover, the IAAF has a rule (260.6(a)) that expressly permits the acceptance of World Records made indoors. USATF has no such rule. Bob H
Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?
Therefore Bob, according to your interpretation of the USATF rules, an USA outdoor record could not be set in a domed stadium. I don't think anyone would agree that this would be a good idea. The rule obviously needs to be changed. Robert Hersh wrote: Message text written by Wayne T. Armbrust Bob Hersh says the same thing, but I just finished reading all of Article IV (the section about rules) of the 2003 USATF Rule Book on line and can find nothing that would prohibit an outdoor record from being set indoors. Rule 183 clearly says that indoor records must be set indoors, but no place in the rules does it say that an outdoor record must be set outdoors. The rules doesn't have to say it. If it's indoors, it can't be outdoors. The category itself defines the limitation. USATF recognizes American Outdoor Records and American Indoor Records. The IAAF, on the other hand, does not have World Outdoor Records, just World Records (and, of course, World Indoor Records). A mark set indoors can be a World Record without doing violence to the English language. But I don't see how an indoor performance can be an outdoor record. Moreover, the IAAF has a rule (260.6(a)) that expressly permits the acceptance of World Records made indoors. USATF has no such rule. Bob H -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?
To say nothing of retractable roofs, roofs that partially overhang the track negating a sprint record run in an outside lane, etc. NONE of which are specifically covered in a rule book. I think the way the IAAF sees it is, there are indoor records, and World Records PERIOD. No such thing as an outdoor record anymore. The newest stadium technologies (domes, etc) blow away the old concept. BUT...the way I read it, even to submit a record set in the indoor long jump to the IAAF as a world record, you still have to attach a wind gauge reading. How many indoor venues remember to have a wind gauge and operators for all sprints and horizontal jumps? Here's a real zinger- if somebody puts 78 feet in the shot put from an indoor concrete ring that meets all technical requirements, and the USATF refuses to recognize it as a national record (other than the indoor variety), does that mean they will also refuse to pass it on to the IAAF for world record consideration? I guess they would send it in as an indoor world record and then the IAAF could do as it pleases. RT On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:28:35 +, you wrote: Therefore Bob, according to your interpretation of the USATF rules, an USA outdoor record could not be set in a domed stadium. I don't think anyone would agree that this would be a good idea. The rule obviously needs to be changed. Robert Hersh wrote: Message text written by Wayne T. Armbrust Bob Hersh says the same thing, but I just finished reading all of Article IV (the section about rules) of the 2003 USATF Rule Book on line and can find nothing that would prohibit an outdoor record from being set indoors. Rule 183 clearly says that indoor records must be set indoors, but no place in the rules does it say that an outdoor record must be set outdoors. The rules doesn't have to say it. If it's indoors, it can't be outdoors. The category itself defines the limitation. USATF recognizes American Outdoor Records and American Indoor Records. The IAAF, on the other hand, does not have World Outdoor Records, just World Records (and, of course, World Indoor Records). A mark set indoors can be a World Record without doing violence to the English language. But I don't see how an indoor performance can be an outdoor record. Moreover, the IAAF has a rule (260.6(a)) that expressly permits the acceptance of World Records made indoors. USATF has no such rule. Bob H
t-and-f: Everything has to have Super Bowl tie-in
Y ask: Here's a press release I got from racewalker/publicist Al. If event in itself isn't compelling, you can always use the Super Bowl Card: Media contact: Al Heppner Phone: 619-410-1181 North American Racewalking Institute January 22, 2002 Battle of #1's square off at National Racewalk The Raider's number one offense versus the Buccaneer's number one defense won't be the only super match-up this weekend. At this Saturday's (Jan. 26) National 30 km Racewalk Championships at the ARCO Olympic Training Center, it will be last season's number one 20 km guy, Tim Seaman, nearly meeting halfway with the top-ranked 50 km walker of a year ago, Philip Dunn. So who has the advantage? Philip is the favorite and I will be very cautious, Seaman said of the race which kicks off at 8 AM. Or the favorite could be the New York AC's Curt Clausen, who is no stranger to the top billing. Clausen owns the US record in the 30 km. However, he is not particularly concerned with his placing in the competition. It's a confirmation of our training and provides a good test of fitness for the 50 km, Clausen said. In the women's race, New Balance's Susan Armenta will be back to defend her National 30 km title. She will be pushed by Cheryl Rellinger and Heidi Hauch. The 30 km race will be 75 grueling laps around the Training Center's track, but it's merely a warm-up for the Pan American Cup 50 km in Tijuana March 9. It's a long ways, but for January, this is the best shape I've been in since 2000. I've had good base training without an injury, added Clausen. Even though the race doesn't start until Saturday, Clausen has already done a lot of the leg work. He felt is was important to bring a national championship race to Chula Vista and stepped up to become the race director. Looking at the race itself, it may be more wide open then it appears. Clausen, Dunn, and Seaman all competed in the San Diego Marathon last weekend. That leaves training partners John Nunn and Sean Albert, who opted for the half-marathon, better rested. Also, the US Air Force's Kevin Eastler flies in for the race and could be a factor. And for this weekend's other big event? No word on if Clausen will organize the Super Bowl party too. But for the record, he is on board with the Buccaneers. The complete list of entrants can be found at www.usatf.org.
