RE: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
This message is not at all true and may in fact be a legally defamatory statement. It is the sort of message that perpetuates untruths and causes damage. ( The moderator should have caught it) I have never hot any message of this sort from the CF website. I hate drugs but I also similarly cant stand hypocrits. I believe Charlie has enormous amounts of knowledge and that drug use is simply and wrongly the top of the pyramid. I believe it is likely he does not do them anymore. As the article says he has a family and need of stable income. Drugs are a shortcut and I believe Charlie has the sort of knowledge to share that would mean he does not need shortcuts and maybe he can help people to achieve without shortcuts. I have seen athletes build high levels of muscle with legal supplements and good diet. This has recently boosted my faith in the idea that high levels of performance can be achieved by clean athletes if they are trained correctly. I repeat the CF Website Forum is a great resource. His book Training For Speed is clearly the best book ever written about sprinting and says nothing to promote drug use. regards Steve Bennett www.oztrack.com AthleticsTraining.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 8:49 AM To: Martin J. Dixon Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview You've got to register to get into the site and you know what happens then. You're on a pro-drugs register and they send you all sorts of junk about human growth hormone and penis enlargement. And some may say that some of the pricks on this list don't need to get any bigger! Besides I didn't quite understand the sentence: If you want to see how important it isn he acts not to support drugs read carefully the section on nutrition. My old English teacher would call that a double negative although I'm not sure if that was a mistyped n after is or whether the 't was missed out. Either way I can't make out whether Steve is saying that CF doesn't support drugs anymore or that he does and thinks it isn't important. Randall Northam On Thursday, Feb 6, 2003, at 21:25 Europe/London, Martin J. Dixon wrote: And read point 3. http://www.charliefrancis.com/community/member.php?action=reg Regards, Martin Steve Bennett wrote: If you want to see how important it isn he acts not to support drugs read carefully the section on nutrition.
t-and-f: Derrick Peterson interview
A very interesting (and quite lengthy) profile of Derrick Peterson ran in Sunday's Kansas City Star: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/5084901.htm I think the Star does some pretty fine track coverage. They really love Maurice Greene, and write up his every move. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://austinchronicle.com
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
I think a strong case can be made that by allowing this thing to fester could increase fan interest and therefore Nike's bottom line. But the purists wouldn't care and I can respect that position. It's the highest ground to get onto. And it's pretty lonely up there I imagine. Regards, Martin I'm not a purist. Just a fan and a realist to boot. I'm looking at the whole situation from a public perception and business perspective based on past experience in PR and crisis communications. Personally, I don't see how further tainting MJ's image is good for her, the sport nor Nike's bottom line. From what I've read on this board in the past, MJ's market value (for getting endorsements) has been hurt by her past associations. If that is truly the case then how could this current situation help her, especially the way it was handled from the get go? However, with all that said, I still would be very interested in hearing the strong case for allowing it to fester. I've also been throwing around this question lately. What do you think the reaction would have been if she had been proactive and went public from the start? She could have positioned her association with CF very differently then the way it eventually played out in the press. I'm sure she still would have taken heat, but we'll never know if the end results would have been the same. John __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
This is obviously not a very good scientific sample but I don't think anyone on this list would behave any differently with respect to their appreciation of the sport. Hands up those that would. Probably no fan of the sport generally either. If they do behave differently, what thought process would they be going through to do same? Disgust, horror, shame? So we are talking about the rest of them that aren't following the sport in any event. How would their continued non interest in the sport have an impact on anything? In all likelihood, all the trash talking going on between Michael Johnson, Mo and Tim might whip up interest. The tall foreheads wouldn't like interest being whipped up that way but hey, we're just all out to make a buck. Who cares if isn't pretty. Neither is making sausage. So I throw the question back. How specifically would the sport be hurt and how would that manifest itself in attendance and what would be the fundamental reason for it. Whispers of drug use(uncalled for in this case) doesn't affect baseball or football or are we too sophisticated to be compared to such endeavours? Regards, Martin John Sun wrote: I think a strong case can be made that by allowing this thing to fester could increase fan interest and therefore Nike's bottom line. But the purists wouldn't care and I can respect that position. It's the highest ground to get onto. And it's pretty lonely up there I imagine. Regards, Martin I'm not a purist. Just a fan and a realist to boot. I'm looking at the whole situation from a public perception and business perspective based on past experience in PR and crisis communications. Personally, I don't see how further tainting MJ's image is good for her, the sport nor Nike's bottom line. From what I've read on this board in the past, MJ's market value (for getting endorsements) has been hurt by her past associations. If that is truly the case then how could this current situation help her, especially the way it was handled from the get go? However, with all that said, I still would be very interested in hearing the strong case for allowing it to fester. I've also been throwing around this question lately. What do you think the reaction would have been if she had been proactive and went public from the start? She could have positioned her association with CF very differently then the way it eventually played out in the press. I'm sure she still would have taken heat, but we'll never know if the end results would have been the same. John __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Millrose Live Coverage
Just a note that ESPN2 is currently showing the World Chess Championships (Man vs. Computer)live. I hope this match is over before the live coverage of our sport begins. Paul Nisius Bigfork,MN
t-and-f: Univ. of Washington Invitational
Those that are interested in competing in good middle-distance and distance races should investigate the Univ. of Washington Invitational on February 14-15. Stanford and the Nike Farm Team are sending large squads to this meet. Meet information can be found at: http://gohuskies.ocsn.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/112602aaa.html
t-and-f: Chemnitz results
World Leaders in m60 (Gardner, but he doesn't win!!!), mLJ (Phillips) and mPV (Lobinger and Ptacek). Becker now #3 PV all-time indoors at 15-3.75. These and other results are linked through the TF site: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/results/hotLinks.jsp Dan Lilot Statistician TFN
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
You're right. Up until now MJ has been a media darling. She's articulate, attractive and possesses teflon-like abilities, coming out of the CJ Hunter fiasco in 2000 virtually unscathed. It will be interesting to see how she fares this time around. Judging from all the negative press so far, I'm not sure she'll continue to be a media darling nor receive the benefit of the doubt any longer. If that's the case, why is she currently referred to in all the articles as the media darling and the one that got Nike's full backing (thus making people like Greene jealous)? Why is the IAAF so worried about their star acquiring a tainted image if that has already happened in the past? It doesn't add up. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Chemnitz results
8th ERDGAS MEETING Chemnitz, Germany 7 February 2003 RESULTS (all GER except as noted) MEN: 60 METRES: 1. Nkansah (GHA) 6.61; 2. Moke (CGO) and Powell (JAM) 6.63; 4. Lewis (USA) 6.65; 5. Chernovol (KZK) 6.67; 6. Gardener (GBR) 7.60 (cramped midway during race). Heat 1: 1. Lewis 6.60; 2. Chernovol 6.70; 3. Ostwald 6.77; 4. Pinnock 6.81; 5. H Blume 6.94; 6. Zapletal 6.99. Heat 2: 1. Gardener 6.51 (world leader); 2. M Blume 6.72; 3. Gilpin (JAM) 6.76; 4. Nowak (POL) 6.80; 5. Koenig 6.89; 6. Weissbach 6.95. Heat 3: 1. Powell 6.60; 2. Nkansah 6.63; 3. Moke 6.67; 4. C Williams (JAM) 6.78; 5. Pilarczyk (POL) 6.90; 6. Moersch 6.96. 200 METRES: Race 1: 1. Moersch 21.52; 2. Pfennig 21.56; 3. Ney 22.10. Race 2: 1. Ostwald 21.30; 2. H Blume 21.79; 3. Klvana (CZE) 22.18. Race 3: 1. M Blume 21.24; 2. Otto 21.47; 3. Koenig 21.79. Race 4: 1. Urbas (POL) 21.11; 2. C Williams (JAM) 21.32; 3. Gilpin (JAM) 22.02. 400 METRES: Race 1: 1. Wilhelm 47.88; 2. Breitenstein 48.33; 3. Ezekwem 49.21; 4. Funke 50.17. Race 2: 1. Duma 47.62; 2. Goller 47.70; 3. Kuschewitz 47.94; Race 3: 1. Gatzka 47.56; 2. Figura 48.06; 3. Vathistas (GRE) 48.40. Race 4: 1. McKee (IRL) 46.85; 2. Hackelbusch 47.19; 3. Faller 47.41. 800 METRES: Race 1: 1. Freimann 1:52.36; 2. Hnig 1:52.63; 3. Stephan 1:52.95; 4. Blaha (CZE) 1:53.19; 5. Moormann 1:53.70; 6. Rapp 1:54.08; 7. Strempler 1:55.17; 8. Kern 1:55.35. Race 2: 1. Bungei (KEN) 1:45.49; 2. Herms 1:46.13; 3. Bogdanov (RUS) 1:46.27; 4. Mutua (KEN) 1:46.32; 5. Schumann 1:46.53; 6. Co 1:50.31. Pacemaker: Lopuchovsky (SVK). 1500 METRES: 1. Sneberger (CZE) 3:40.93; 2. Haschke 3:41.72; 3. Graczyk (POL) 3:42.36; 4. Assmus 3:43.14; 5. Bandi (SUI) 3:43.78; 6. Koers (NED) 3:44.21; 7. Too (KEN) 3:44.52; 8. Pollmcher 3:51.92; 9. Khn 3:54.22; 10. Preuk 3:57.53. Pace: Bartunek (CZE). POLE VAULT: 1. Lobinger 5.81 (world leader) [5.50/2 - 5.60 - 5.70/3 - 5.81 - 5.86/xxx]; 2. Ptacek (CZE) 5.81 NR (=world leader) [5.30 - 5.50 - 5.60 - 5.70/2 - 5.81/3 - 5.86/xxx]; 3. Otto 5.60; 4. Khanafin (RUS) and Blom (NED) 5.60; 6. Brgeling and Stolle 5.50; 8. Spiegelburg 5.50; 9. Jan cek (CZE) 5.30. LONG JUMP: 1. Phillips (USA) 8.21 (world leader) [7.96 - x - 8.21 - p - p - p]; 2. Beckford (JAM) 7.93; 3. Mudrik (MAR) 7.90; 4. Pohle 7.76; 5. Bigdeli 7.75; 6. Mller 7.65; 7. Kaczmarek 7.33. No legal mark: Lampart (CZE). WOMEN: 60 METRES: 1. Mayr (AUT) 7.17; 2. Kravchenko (UKR) and G Rockmeier 7.20; 4. Paschke 7.28; 5. B Rockmeier 7.46; 6. Wakan 7.50. Heat 1: 1. Kravchenko 7.23; 2. Paschke 7.32; 3. B Rockmeier 7.48; 4. Bazatov (CZE) 7.66; 5. Dastalov (CZE) 7.84. Heat 2: 1. Mayr 7.25; 2. G Rockmeier 7.32; 3. Wakan 7.48; 4. Anim (GHA) 7.52; 5. Dlouha (CZE) 7.67. 200 METRES: Race 1: Neubert 24.03; 2. Pollmcher 24.72; 3. Hemperl 24.76; 4. Dastalov (CZE) 25.67. Race 2: 1. G Rockmeier 23.03; 2. Benesov (CZE) 23.85; 3. Marx 24.26. Race 3: 1. B Rockmeier 23.53; 2. Breuer 23.69; 3. Anim (GHA) 24.71. 400 METRES: Race 1: 1. Hoffmann 53.05; 2. Urbansky 54.78; 3. Rcker 55.54. Race 2: 1. Richards (JAM) 52.70; 2. Marahrens 53.26. 1000 METRES: 1. Vriesde (SUR) 2:42.75; 2. Pedersen (NOR) 2:43.62; 3. Knippel 2:44.23; 4. Schulz 2:45.03; 5. Becker 2:45.20; 6. John (TAN) 2:45.36. Pacemaker: Sedlakov (CZE) 1:04.64. 60 HURDLES: 1. Ferga-Khodadin (FRA) 8.00; 2. Girard (FRA) 8.04; 3. Hentschke 8.08; 4. Walker (JAM) 8.11; 5. Timm 8.23; 6. Davis (USA) 8.30. Heat 1: 1. Hentschke 8.12; 2. Timm 8.27; 3. Sprenger 8.38; 4. Kasova (BUL) 8.38; 5. Martincov (CZE) 8.50; 6. Hdl 8.56. Heat 2: 1. Ferga-Khodadin 7.96; 2. Davis 8.20; 3. Wlfling (AUT) 8.27; 4. Meyer 8.31; 5. Vis (NED) 8.36. Heat 3: 1. Walker 8.07; 2. Girard 8.27; 3. Klein 8.34; 4. Rehwagen 8.43; 5. Ostrovsk (CZE) 8.80. POLE VAULT: 1. Becker 4.67 NR [4.20 - 4.40 - 4.50 - 4.60/2 - 4.67/2 - 4.77/xxx]; 2. Buschbaum 4.50; 3. Hamackov (CZE) 4.50; 4. F Khnert and Belin (SWE) 4.20; 6. Hingst, deWilt (NED), and Adams 4.20; 9. Schulte 4.00; 10. Sonnabend 4.00. LONG JUMP: 1. Kraul 6.56 (born 2.3.85); 2. Kapler 6.39; 3. Keller 6.31; 4. Komrskov (CZE) 6.29; 5. Zaytseva (RUS) 6.24; 6. Schulte 6.22; 7. Westhof (POL) 6.11; 8. Bicikov (CZE) 6.07; 9. Demuth 5.91; 10. Dombrowski 5.84 [daughter of Moscow gold medallist Lutz]. END
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
Whispers of drug use(uncalled for in this case) doesn't affect baseball or football or are we too sophisticated to be compared to such endeavours? Whispers never bothered those sports much. For that matter, whispers never bothered track much either. It's when the volume goes up and whispers turn into headlines that the damage gets done. And that includes major sports. Baseball had a major dope scandal on its hands last year when Ken Caminiti confessed to his own drug use and asserted that half of major league players were on steroids. (He later backtracked under intense pressure.) Many newspaper and TV stories about the scandal featured interviews with fans saying that they were disillusioned with baseball and no longer considered the performances legitimate. The flak was intense enough to convince the players union to agree to a testing program for the first time in history, to at least provide the appearance of doing something about he problem. In case news of this mess never made news up in Canada you can read up on it here: http://www.drugsinsport.net/archives/archive-may02.htm So major sports are by no means immune to this problem. No matter whether it's track or baseball, drug headlines are never a good thing. Kurt Bray _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
Show me the money. What happened to attendance during that crisis? That word is funny btw. Iraq, North Korea and the shuttle can each be called a crisis. This is making conversation. Haven't seen it on The Newshour with Jim Lehrer yet. John pondered what would have happened if Jones would have fessed up at the start. Couldn't have been any worse obviously. There was a piece in the USA Today by Dick Patrick that says Francis wanted to fess up on the 13 of December but Jones only announced the Graham firing. As I said earlier, the date on the Dubin letter was no coincidence. Sounds like Charlie was not only giving her the best training advice but the best PR advice too. Regards, Martin Kurt Bray wrote: Whispers of drug use(uncalled for in this case) doesn't affect baseball or football or are we too sophisticated to be compared to such endeavours? Whispers never bothered those sports much. For that matter, whispers never bothered track much either. It's when the volume goes up and whispers turn into headlines that the damage gets done. And that includes major sports. Baseball had a major dope scandal on its hands last year when Ken Caminiti confessed to his own drug use and asserted that half of major league players were on steroids. (He later backtracked under intense pressure.) Many newspaper and TV stories about the scandal featured interviews with fans saying that they were disillusioned with baseball and no longer considered the performances legitimate. The flak was intense enough to convince the players union to agree to a testing program for the first time in history, to at least provide the appearance of doing something about he problem. In case news of this mess never made news up in Canada you can read up on it here: http://www.drugsinsport.net/archives/archive-may02.htm So major sports are by no means immune to this problem. No matter whether it's track or baseball, drug headlines are never a good thing. Kurt Bray
Re: t-and-f: Millrose Live Coverage
The game and match were drawn btw. Exciting stuff. Pretty sure that FIDE has instituted drug testing in their attempt to get recognized as an Olympic sport. No word on how the computer tested. Regards, Martin Paul Nisius wrote: Just a note that ESPN2 is currently showing the World Chess Championships (Man vs. Computer)live. I hope this match is over before the live coverage of our sport begins. Paul Nisius Bigfork,MN
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS blah, blah, blah
I think, and hope, that track fans DO hold their athletes to a higher standard than fans of professional baseball and football do. It's our only hope. I like the fact that most track athletes are NOT spoiled millionaires who have shamelessly sold out their bodies (I don't doubt that plenty still cheat, but there should be an element of SHAME to it). I think comparing track to football, baseball and basketball is the wrong model. What about tennis and golf? Why do their athletes and sport continue to thrive, with little, or any talk about drug abuse (one look at your typical golfer answers that!). Can you say: The Majors. Each of those sports has four prestigious Major Championships, which all the top athletes compete in. As my friend Joe Rubio has pointed out numerous times on this list, the essence of good track is good competition. Other than the Olympics every four years and the Worlds every two (or so), our track and field circuit is without any Major championships. Does the phrase Breakfast at Weltklasse ring a bell? Not yet. With the focus on the European $ummer Circuit, national championships have even lost their prestige, as often times the very best athletes train through them (as we've seen with Mo' Greene in '01). Track fans are left with few, if any Compelling Competitions; we're left with Fast Times at San Hengelo or however you spell that famous track site. a lifelong fan, Brian McGuire - Original Message - From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview Whispers of drug use(uncalled for in this case) doesn't affect baseball or football or are we too sophisticated to be compared to such endeavours? Whispers never bothered those sports much. For that matter, whispers never bothered track much either. It's when the volume goes up and whispers turn into headlines that the damage gets done. And that includes major sports. Baseball had a major dope scandal on its hands last year when Ken Caminiti confessed to his own drug use and asserted that half of major league players were on steroids. (He later backtracked under intense pressure.) Many newspaper and TV stories about the scandal featured interviews with fans saying that they were disillusioned with baseball and no longer considered the performances legitimate. The flak was intense enough to convince the players union to agree to a testing program for the first time in history, to at least provide the appearance of doing something about he problem. In case news of this mess never made news up in Canada you can read up on it here: http://www.drugsinsport.net/archives/archive-may02.htm So major sports are by no means immune to this problem. No matter whether it's track or baseball, drug headlines are never a good thing. Kurt Bray _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
t-and-f: DEFENDING JUNIOR MEN'S CHAMPION TIM MOORE CONFIRMS HIS ENTRY INTHE USA CROSS COUNTRY CHAMPIONSHIPS IN HOUSTON
DEFENDING JUNIOR MEN'S CHAMPION TIM MOORE CONFIRMS HIS ENTRY IN THE USA CROSS COUNTRY CHAMPIONSHIPS IN HOUSTON BILLY NELSON AND VALERIE LAUVER ROUND OUT TRIO OF 2002 NATIONAL JUNIOR TEAM MEMBERS ENTERED IN USA WORLD CROSS COUNTRY TEAM TRIALS (HOUSTON, TX) Defending junior men's 8-kilometer national cross country champion Tim Moore of Novi, MI., today confirmed his participation in next week's USA Cross Country Championships at Buffalo Bayou Park in Houston, TX. Moore, a freshman at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, IN., won last yearís national junior title for athletes 19 and under, covering the 8-kilometer (4.97 miles) course at the Fort Vancouver National Historic Site in Vancouver, WA., in a time of 24:48. At last yearís IAAF World Cross Country Championships in Dublin, Ireland, Moore finished in 54th place, in a time of 25:47. Moore was the winner of the 2001 Foot Locker National Cross Country Championships. Meet organizers also announced the entry of fellow 2002 USA junior team member Billy Nelson. Nelson, a freshman at the University of Colorado in Boulder, finished third in last yearís nationals in Vancouver, running 25:04, and placed 33rd in last yearís world junior meet in Dublin. Yet another standout from last yearís USA national junior team, Valerie Lauver of Allen, TX., returns to her home state to run in the selection race for this yearís IAAF World Cross Country Championships at the end of March in Lausanne, Switzerland. Lauver, currently a freshman at the University of Missouri, and the winner of the 2002 Texas 5A state title in the 3200 meter run, placed fifth last year in Vancouver in 21:40 over 6 kilometers (3.74 miles), and 36th at the world championships. The USA Cross Country Championships comes to Houston, under the guidance of meet director Jon Warren, the cross country coach at Rice University. The USA Cross Country Championships brings together many of Americaís top distance runners, and serves as the selection meet for the USA national team that will compete in the IAAF World Cross Country Championships on March 29th-30th in Lausanne, Switzerland. In last year's event, Deena Drossin won her fifth national women's eight-kilometer harrier title at Fort Vancouver in a time of 26:31, while Meb Keflezighi won the men's 12-kilometer championship in 35:45. Regina Jacobs (12:55), and Tim Broe (11:26) each won the women's and men's 4-kilometer title, while Maria Cicero (21:05) and Moore (24:48) were the national junior champions. For more information on the USA Cross Country Championships, please visit the meet's official web site at http://www.usatf.org/events/2003/USAXCChampionships/ --end-- NOTES: Here is the official time schedule for the meet: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:30 a.m. Community Run 4 km 10:30 Masters Women 6 km 11:30 Masters Men 6 km 12:15 p.m. Junior Women 6 km 12:45 Open Men 4 km 1:15 Open Women 8 km 5:00 Awards Ceremony Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:00 Junior Men 8 km 10:45 Open Women 4 km 11:15 Open Men 12 km 12:30 p.m. Awards Ceremony Media wishing to cover the USA Cross Country Championships are urged to contact either Connie Nordyke, media relations manager of the Houston Host Committee at 713.807.9002 or by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or Paul Merca, Championships Media Relations Consultant at 206/499-4329, or by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Media members may also contact Tom Surber, Media Information Manager at USA Track Field at 317/261-0500, extension 317, or by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The official hotel for the USA Cross Country Championships is the Doubletree Allen Center, 400 Dallas Street, in downtown Houston. The phone number is : 713-759-0202
t-and-f: USATF Release: Devers, Dragila break ARs at Verizon Millrose Games
Contact:Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications 317-261-0500 x360 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, February 7, 2003 Devers, Dragila rewrite American record book at Verizon Millrose Games NEW YORK Two veteran gold medalists broke American records to make Friday night ladies night at the 96th Verizon Millrose Games, the second stop on USA Track Fields 2003 Indoor Golden Spike Tour. More than 11,000 fans filled New Yorks Madison Square Garden for the record-setting evening. Ageless Gail Devers broke a record set by a track and field legend, burying the field in the 60-meter hurdles with a time of 7.48 seconds to break Jackie Joyner-Kersees previous AR of 7.81, set in 1989. For her performance, Devers was awarded the Fred Schmertz Outstanding Performer Trophy. Melissa Morrison was second in the race at 7.95, with Jamaican Brigette Foster third in 7.97. Defending Olympic gold medalist and outdoor world record holder Stacy Dragila broke her own, six-day old American record in the Visa womens pole vault, clearing 4.72 meters/15 feet, 5.75 inches. The mark improved on her record of 4.71/15-5.5 set February 1 at the first stop on the Golden Spike Tour, the adidas Boston Indoor Games. Kellie Suttle was second in the competition with a clearance of 4.45m/14-7.25. Though she said she wasnt surprised by her time, the record in the hurdles was unexpected for Devers. The two-time Olympic 100m champion and three-time World Outdoor 100m hurdles gold medalist had hoped to run the 60m dash at Millrose. But meet director Howard Schmertz had something else in mind. I have to say thank you to Howard (Schmertz, Verizon Millrose Games meet director), Devers said. I wanted to sprint this indoor season, but he said I had to hurdle if I wanted to be in the meet. I said, thats fine, if that s what they want me to do, Ill do it. Im very happy with the time. She was even happier given that she had dedicated her race to a critically ill youngster in her hometown of Atlanta. I dedicated this race to a three-year-old named Jalen, who is in the Atlanta hospital, having (had) his third heart surgery, Devers said. I knew me dedicating that race to Jalen, god was going to take hold. Dragila continued the firm hold she has on her own event. Though pleased with breaking the American record in the Visa womens pole vault on Friday, she left Madison Square Garden wanting more. I was really happy with my performance, Dragila said. When you get out there and jump an American record which is so close to the world record, you think, lets go out there and get it I walked off the pit angry (that she didnt get the world record). Its good to go home and still have something to work toward. The sprint events also brought excitement to the Verizon Millrose Games, with close finishes and dramatic races. In the womens 60-meter dash, defending U.S. indoor champion Chryste Gaines overcame a scintillating start by World Indoor silver medalist Angela Williams to nip Williams at the tape. Both women were timed in 7.23 seconds, but Gaines was given the nod to win her first Verizon Millrose title. The Verizon mens 60m dash also featured a fast start by a promising young athlete as 21-year-old NCAA champion Justin Gatlin got out of the blocks quickly. Defending U.S. champion Terrence Trammell then took the lead, winning in 6.51 seconds to 6.54 for Gatlin. World record holder Maurice Greene was third in 6.57. Trammell also figured in the mens 60 hurdles, run just 25 minutes before the sprint. In the hurdles, it was Trammell who got the fast start before being overtaken by 2002 Millrose champion Larry Wade. Wade finished in 7.48 seconds, just .01 off Trammells meet record. Trammell was a fraction back at 7.49. Allen Johnson finished third in 7.51. Kenyas Bernard Lagat, the World Championships 1,500m silver medalist, made sure the Wannamaker Mile wasnt as suspenseful as the sprints by running away from the field early on, leading by more than a full turn for most of the race before breaking the tape in 4:00.36. Americas best two womens high jumpers went head-to-head and came away with a draw. Tisha Waller and Amy Acuff both cleared 1.95m/6-4.75. After a jump-off in which neither woman cleared a height, they called it a night and a tie. In the John Thomas mens high jump, it was American Charles Austin the 1996 Olympic gold medalist and Olympic record holder matching heights with Canadian Mark Boswell at 2.27m/7-5.25. Boswell, however, went on to win with a clearance of 2.31m/7-7. In other events, Hazel Clark won the womens 800m in 2:07.66, while David Krummenacker won his second consecutive Verizon Millrose title in the 800 in 1:50.20. Running his first race since 2001, Tyree Washington won the mens 400m in 48.80. Jearl Miles-Clark took the womens 400 in 55.08. Taking advantage of Regina
t-and-f: MARION SPOKE. Enough, already?
On February 6th (only yesterday, can you believe?), Steve Bennett posted to this list news of an announcement by Marion Jones that she was discontinuing her athlete/coach relationship with Charlie Francis. Since then, there have been 27 further posts on the topic, MARION SPEAKS. Three of the submissions have been further ones from Bennett; nine from Martin Dixon, five from John Sun, and three from Randall Northam. A total of *two* of these 27 have provided new information on the topic. One of these noted employment of Francis as a consultant by National Football League teams. The other remarked Jones's not being available for a drug test when she was 15 years old. Actually, there must have been a third, because I remember another, today, announcing Montgomery's reluctant withdrawal from Francis' coaching. The rest mainly offered personal opinion on whether Jones and Francis were or were not good persons. Included in these were advice to Jones to keep her mouth shut; a gratutious, totally-unrelated shot at a former editor of Track and Field News; a correction of the grammar of a previous post; an inference that MJ having had a husband who failed a drug test, together with working with CF, should make it evident that she was dirty; lots of opinion on whether Francis should be permitted to coach; and a few noting previous attacks on sponsor Nike's moral stance. To me, the MARION SPEAKS thread is only the latest evidence of a year-long deterioration of t-and-f@darkwing from a mailing list for the exchange of information about the sport toward becoming a Chat Room. I think this is destroying the future of the mailing list as originally intended and eroding its audience. That should not happen, if subscribers conform to the List Charter. I'll quote just two relevant paragraphs: 3). Posts should add something substantial to the ongoing discussion. For example, appending an I agree to a previous post, providing redundant information, or simply reiterating previous arguments without adding anything new tend to clog up the list and are discouraged. 4). Damaging accusations, speculations, and misinformation presented as factual are prohibited. Example, Joe Runner's rapid improvement means he has taken banned drugs, is not acceptable. Accusations and speculations must be presented as personal beliefs or opinions, such as It is my opinion that Violators of this guideline will have their subscription suspended, and must provide a retraction before they may rejoin the list. As one of the founders of the list has written, As to the size of the TF List audience, it peaked at about 2,200 when Travis Adams was working with it. It's reasonable that there may now be fewer subscribers than in 1996 because there seems to be fewer messages with information and more with chatter, much of it repetitive. It will be a shame, if violations of the intended purposes of the list lead to its demise. Let's try to keep that from happening. Cordially, Roger
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPOKE. Enough, already?
And while you're at it, Roger, can you get rid of my Spam? Brian McGuire - Original Message - From: Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: t-and-f: MARION SPOKE. Enough, already? On February 6th (only yesterday, can you believe?), Steve Bennett posted to this list news of an announcement by Marion Jones that she was discontinuing her athlete/coach relationship with Charlie Francis. Since then, there have been 27 further posts on the topic, MARION SPEAKS. Three of the submissions have been further ones from Bennett; nine from Martin Dixon, five from John Sun, and three from Randall Northam. A total of *two* of these 27 have provided new information on the topic. One of these noted employment of Francis as a consultant by National Football League teams. The other remarked Jones's not being available for a drug test when she was 15 years old. Actually, there must have been a third, because I remember another, today, announcing Montgomery's reluctant withdrawal from Francis' coaching. The rest mainly offered personal opinion on whether Jones and Francis were or were not good persons. Included in these were advice to Jones to keep her mouth shut; a gratutious, totally-unrelated shot at a former editor of Track and Field News; a correction of the grammar of a previous post; an inference that MJ having had a husband who failed a drug test, together with working with CF, should make it evident that she was dirty; lots of opinion on whether Francis should be permitted to coach; and a few noting previous attacks on sponsor Nike's moral stance. To me, the MARION SPEAKS thread is only the latest evidence of a year-long deterioration of t-and-f@darkwing from a mailing list for the exchange of information about the sport toward becoming a Chat Room. I think this is destroying the future of the mailing list as originally intended and eroding its audience. That should not happen, if subscribers conform to the List Charter. I'll quote just two relevant paragraphs: 3). Posts should add something substantial to the ongoing discussion. For example, appending an I agree to a previous post, providing redundant information, or simply reiterating previous arguments without adding anything new tend to clog up the list and are discouraged. 4). Damaging accusations, speculations, and misinformation presented as factual are prohibited. Example, Joe Runner's rapid improvement means he has taken banned drugs, is not acceptable. Accusations and speculations must be presented as personal beliefs or opinions, such as It is my opinion that Violators of this guideline will have their subscription suspended, and must provide a retraction before they may rejoin the list. As one of the founders of the list has written, As to the size of the TF List audience, it peaked at about 2,200 when Travis Adams was working with it. It's reasonable that there may now be fewer subscribers than in 1996 because there seems to be fewer messages with information and more with chatter, much of it repetitive. It will be a shame, if violations of the intended purposes of the list lead to its demise. Let's try to keep that from happening. Cordially, Roger
