t-and-f: Questioning Sean Shields's WJR in discus
WORLD RECORD OR NOT A WORLD RECORD? Not to take anything away from University of Arizona freshman Sean Shields's fine winning shot put of 20.39/66-10.75 at the recent US Junior Championships, I was just wondering why he is being credited with setting an American Junior record and equalling the World Junior record. Not even debating the legitimacy of comparing marks with a 6kg shot against those made with a 16lb. shot, according to the All-Time U.S. Junior List in the 2002 edition of the USATF/FAST Annual and the 2002 editon of the ATFS Annual the best mark by a junior with the 16lb. shot is 20.65/67-9 by Mike Carter in 1979. There is also the indoor 21.05/69-0.75 by Terry Albritton in 1974. To add to the confusion, although Carter's mark tops the all-time junior lists in both the FAST and ATFS Annuals, it is listed in both publications' record sections as not having been officially ratified by either USATF or IAAF. Does anyone know the reason why Carter's obviously vastly superior mark, which was made in an international dual meet against the Soviet Union in Boston on July 4, 1979, has never been officially ratified? Outside of an Olympics/World Championships, could you ask for a more legitimate and ratifieable venue in which to set a world record. Seems like a major oversight and serious injustice to Mike. Also, reflecting on the fact that Carter tossed the 12lb/5.45kg shot 81-3.5/24.77 (IMHO one of if not THE most remarkable performances in tf history at any level) that same year, one can only imagine how far he might have throw the new 6kg implement . . .my guestimate based on Shields's percentage improvement over his 16lb PB of 19.11/62-8.5 is that Carter would have easily have been capable of 22m+/72-3. Just a thought: Perhaps the National High School Federation should consider adopting the new international junior implements (6kg shot/1.75kg discus) so that marks made by U.S. preps would be more readily comparable to those of international juniors. Of course, I would still prefer that it first go back to running the mile and/or 1500m and 2-mile/3000m instead of the those God-awful bastard 1600m/3200m events. JON ALQUIST ATFS, FAST
t-and-f: Questioning Sean Shields's WJR in discus
WORLD RECORD OR NOT A WORLD RECORD? Not to take anything away from University of Arizona freshman Sean Shields's fine winning shot put of 20.39/66-10.75 at the recent US Junior Championships, I was just wondering why he is being credited with setting an American Junior record and equalling the World Junior record. Not even debating the legitimacy of comparing marks with a 6kg shot against those made with a 16lb. shot, according to the All-Time U.S. Junior List in the 2002 edition of the USATF/FAST Annual and the 2002 editon of the ATFS Annual the best mark by a junior with the 16lb. shot is 20.65/67-9 by Mike Carter in 1979. There is also the indoor 21.05/69-0.75 by Terry Albritton in 1974. To add to the confusion, although Carter's mark tops the all-time junior lists in both the FAST and ATFS Annuals, it is listed in both publications' record sections as not having been officially ratified by either USATF or IAAF. Does anyone know the reason why Carter's obviously vastly superior mark, which was made in an international dual meet against the Soviet Union in Boston on July 4, 1979, has never been officially ratified? Outside of an Olympics/World Championships, could you ask for a more legitimate and ratifieable venue in which to set a world record. Seems like a major oversight and serious injustice to Mike. Also, reflecting on the fact that Carter tossed the 12lb/5.45kg shot 81-3.5/24.77 (IMHO one of if not THE most remarkable performances in tf history at any level) that same year, one can only imagine how far he might have throw the new 6kg implement . . .my guestimate based on Shields's percentage improvement over his 16lb PB of 19.11/62-8.5 is that Carter would have easily have been capable of 22m+/72-3. Just a thought: Perhaps the National High School Federation should consider adopting the new international junior implements (6kg shot/1.75kg discus) so that marks made by U.S. preps would be more readily comparable to those of international juniors. Of course, I would still prefer that it first go back to running the mile and/or 1500m and 2-mile/3000m instead of the those God-awful bastard 1600m/3200m events. JON ALQUIST ATFS, FAST
t-and-f: Az HS Results - Luke Greenway Meet of Champions
Luke-Greenway Arizona High School Meet of Champions from JON ALQUIST This annual invitational meet, begun in 1951, is held within the week following the State Meets. State champions in each class (1A-5A) are invited, plus top performers from all classes to round out the fields. For the first time since its inception it was moved out of the central Phoenix Area (formerly held at Phoenix College and, since 1990, at Central High School) some 35 miles southeast to the farming community area of Queen Creek. Meet was held at Canyon State Academy, formerly Arizona Boys Ranch (i.e. reform school). Meet is named for its sponsor, the Frank Luke Jr./John C. Greenway Post #1 of the American Legion. Luke is the legendary "Ballon Buster" fighter pilot ace of World War I fame. As has been the case the past few years, participation by the larger class (5A/4A) schools was limited, although a number of the big school stars did show up. Two meet records were set by the girls and one by the boys, including an impressive 1:52.36 half-mile by Arizona-bound Matt Burton of Prescott that ranks 5th on the state all-time combined 800m/880y list (3rd fastest "pure" 800m). 5A vault champ Katie Morgan of Tempe Corona del Sol, moved to No. 3 all-time with a 12-6 clearance and Scottsdale Christian's Jamie Cluff, winner of four events (HH/LH/LJ/TJ) at the 2A state meet, sped to an impressive 14.34 victory in the 100 hurdles. Complete LG results plus full Arizona State meet results available at http://www.arizonatrack.com/track.htm 52nd Luke Greenway High School Meet of Champions May 15, 2002 - Canyon State Academy, Queen Creek, Ariz. Temperature in mid 90s at start, lowering to mid-80s by end of meet. Wind = dead calm throughout meet BOYS 100 1. Joe Thomas (Tombstone) 11.09; 2. Troy Harris (Desert Vista) 11.09 200 1. Joe Thomas (Tombstone) 22.07; 2. Bryan Haynes (Centennial) 22.54; 3. Harris (DV) 22.71 400 1. Mike Hilbe (Hamilton) 49.26; 2. Joe Thomas (Tombstone) 49.77 800 1. Matt Burton (Prescott) 1:52.36 (MEET RECORD/) 2. Alex Johnson (Brophy) 1:54.98; 3. Mike Stratton (Ironwood) 1:55.98 1600 1. Ben Clark (Prescott) 4:20.63/4:05.1@1500m 3200 1. Jonathan Harmon (Holbrook) 9:33.89; 2. Aleer Duot' (Gilbert) 9:39.37/8:59.7@3000m; 3. Billy Smith (Deer Valley) 9:42.43 110 HH 1. Tyler Whitter (Pinnacle) 15.31 300 IH 1. Jake Johnson (Mesa Red Mtn.) 39.22; 2. Tyler Whitter (Pinnacle) 40.05 400 R 1. Centennial 42.77; 2. Desert Vista 42.94 1600 R 1. Centennial 3:20.52; 2. Tucson-Canyon del Oro 3:23.81 3200 R 1. Gilbert 8:05.56 HJ 1. Carl Robinson (Pinnacle) 6-4 PV 1. *Brandon Glenn (Westview) 15-0; 2. Mike Mays (Flag) 14-6; 3. Kasey O'Day (Greenway) 14-6 LJ 1. Danny Marshall (Hamilton) 22-9.75; 2. Dashalle Andrews (Hamilton) 22-6.5; 3. Sam Turner (Safford) 22-3.75; 4. Markese Payne (Eloy Santa Cruz) 22-3.5 TJ 1. Danny Marshall (Hamilton) 45-8.75; 2. Dashalle Andrews (Hamilton) 44-3 SP 1. Jason Voss (Valley Christian) 52-8.75 DT 1. Jason Voss (Valley Christian) 171-9; 2. Zac Nielsen (Centennial) 153-9 GIRLS 100 1. Jerita Crudder (Peoria) 12.60 200 1. Jerita Crudder (Peoria) 25.98; 2.Tyesha Harvey (Nogales) 26.43 400 1. Tyesha Harvey (Nogales) 57.41; 2. Alisha Hines (Hamilton) 58.60; 3. Audria Smith (Pima) 59.05 800 1. Whitney Hardt (Payson) 2:18.33; 2. Andrea Butcher (Deer Valley) 2:20.13 1600 1. Ariel Latimer (Mingus) 5:07.98/4:47.9@1500m; 2. Annie Falor (Flagstaff) 5:12.14 3200 1. Bonnie Brice (Pima) 13:07.76 - only entry! 100 HH 1. Jamie Cluff (Scottsdale Christian) 14.34 (MEET RECORD); Kelsey Perry (Centennial) 15.57 300 LH 1. Nicole Nevitt (Queen Creek) 46.89 400 R 1. Valley Christian 49.40 1600 R 1. Queen Creek 4:10.06 3200 R 1. Flowing Wells 9:47.33; 2. Flagsaff 9:48.72 HJ 1. Crystal Harden (Tucson Palo Verde) 4-10 PV 1. *Katie Morgan (Corona del Sol) 12-6 (MEET RECORD); 2. Toria McMullin (Gilbert) 11-0; 3. Delaney Rockwell (Scottsdale Christian) 10-6; 4. Sierra Degomez (Flag) 10-6; 5. Tera McWorthy (Queen Creek) 10-6); 6. Holly K8irchberger (Flowing Wells) 10-0. LJ 1. Crystal Harden (Tuc Palo Verde) 17-11.75; 2. Stephanie Garnett (Winslow) 17-8 TJ 1. Crystal Harden (Tuc Palo Verde) 37-5.25; 2. Rachel Johnson (Bradshaw Mtn.) 35-8.5 SP 1. Michelle Amete (Queen Creek) 39-0.25 DT 1. Rebecca Drake (Bisbee) 128-1; 2. Sara Shisslak (Bisbee) 118-3
t-and-f: Mark Rowland
Jim Mclatchie wrote: Mark Rowland - 3:52 miler moved to the steeple and won a silver in '88 in Seoul. He had to work bloody hard on drills and flexibility to make the transition, but he proved that it can be done if one applies oneself to the task at hand. Actually, in Seoul Rowland of Great Brittain won the bronze behind Kenyans Julius Kariuki and Peter Koech. Kariuki ran 8:05.51 which, at the time was just off Henry Rono's world record '78 world record of 8:05.4. However, the most remarkable stat is that Rowland's time of 8:07.96 is still the fastest ever by a runner of non-African descent. Technically, of course, it is not the European Record (8:07.62 in ''84), which is held by France's Joseph Mahmoud, possibly a native-born Frenchman, but of North African heritage. JON ALQUIST
t-and-f: Fastest miler from Arizona
Fastest all-time miler from the state of ARIZONA is Chuck LaBenz (North Phoenix H.S. '66) who ran 3:56.9 while at Arizona State in 1970. His prep best was just 4:14.9. Also, as far as I can tell, he is the only native Arizonan (not sure if he was born in state) to have ever broken four minutes. JON ALQUIST
t-and-f: NCAA Regionals not likely in 2002
actually attend USC, lettering in 1996, 1997, and 1998. All the rest - claiming PBs of 44.97 and 20.03, to have been a two-time All-American and All-Pac-10 in the 200m, and "leading" the Trojans to their first Pac-10 title in 20 years - is major doo doo! In 1997, far from "leading the Trojans to their first Pac-10 title in 20 years" (last was in 1977), his contribution to the USC victory was a grand total of three (3) points to USC's 135. He placed sixth in the 400m with a time of 48.16. He also ran in the 200m heats, running a non-qualifying 21.94. His listed season-best marks going into the meet were 47.30 and 21.34. As a senior in 1998 he again contributed three points to USC's 115 points in a second place finish to UCLA. He was sixth in the 200m in 21.51 after a 21.61 heat. He made the 400m final (one of four Trojans in the final) as the slowest qualifier with a 48.58, but was disqualified (apparently a lane violation) in the final, running 47.72, which would have placed seventh. He was not a member of the SC 4x400m relay team that placed second in 3:07.05. According to the USC pre-Pac-10 Meet media release dated 5-20-98, his season/career bests were listed as: 200m-21.35w, 21.44/21.23; 400m-47.67/47.30. It makes you wonder if anything else in the story was any closer to the truth than Walton's self-glorification of his track accomplishments. And even worse is the fact that the writer, Uyo Ekadem, Jr., who probably never covered a track meet in his life (or the times that Walton claimed to have run would have immediately set off an alarm bell in his head), bought into Walton's B.S. without checking out the facts! As the resident sports historian/"claims of fame" debunker here at the Arizona Alumni Association, I can assure you that it is not uncommon for ex-athletes (and also non-athletes) to, after a few years, grossly exaggerate their undergraduate accomplishments-i.e. squad members become lettermen, lettermen become all-conference/conference champions/school-record holders, all-conference becomes All-American/national champion, etc., etc., etc. For example, just a few years ago a locally well-known ex-athlete and coach (who was a personal friend of mine) died, and his obituary prominently noted that he had won an NCAA title in the javelin. Not even close! Although he had indeed thrown the javelin in college, and may have won a conference title or even competed in the NCAAs, he never placed even in the top six. Something that could have easily be checked out. I think Gorbachev said it best: "Trust, but verify." JON ALQUIST
t-and-f: Results better late than never
SOME BETTER-LATE-THAN-NEVER MAY ARIZONA RESULTS from JON ALQUIST Just realized I had not posted results of two major May meets held in Arizona, the state JUCO championships and the 51st annual Luke-Greenway high school all-star meet. Biggest news was Jamaican Elva Goulbourne's big LEGAL long jump mark of 22-6.15 (UA stadium record) in Tucson, and fine double meet-record 11.55/23.60 sprint double. Central Arizona's national JUCO decathlon champ Maurice Smith, also of Jamaica, showed his versatility with a unique triple, winning both hurdles and the discus. BTW, according to CAC coaches 1500/5k winner Janet Rono is NOT related to Henry or any other of the well-known Kenyan runners of that surname. BTW2, just an added note on Yuliana Perez's Edmonton TJ qualifier 14.19/46-6.75 on July 8 in Albuquerque. The meet was not held at as might be assumed at the University of New Mexico's track, which is undergoing repairs, but at Highland High School in a USATF Masters Meet. Pima CC coach tells me she won the event by some 16 feet! Arizona Community College Athletic Conference (ACCAC) 2001 NJCAA Region 1 Track Field Championships Drachman Stadium * University of Arizona, May 1* 3 (Decathlon/Heptathlon, Mesa CC-April 24-25) Men 100m (1.6) 1. Martin Greiner (CAC/Can) 10.72; 2. Sebon White (Phx) 11.00 *Heats: Jeff Garner (Pima) 10.48 (0.3); Greiner 10.75, Chuck McGhee (CAC) 10.76 200m (0.5) 1. Juan Duarte (Pima) 21.87; 2. Sunkanmi Ebun (Phx) 22.13 *Heats: Jeff Garner (Pima) 21.21-slight pull at tape, DNC 100/200/Relay finals; Tory Henley (Glen) 21.75; Greiner 21.77; Duarte 21.79; Ebun 21.85 400m1. Juan Duarte (Pima) 47.34; 2. Andre Thompson (CAC) 49.53 (48.07h); David Hamil (CAC/Jam) 49.48h 800m1. Kris Seats (CAC) 1:53.90; 2. Robert Seaman (Pima) 1:54.59 1500m 1. Lawrence Opio (Glen) 4:01.73; 2. Kyle Goklish (CAC) 4:01.77 *SC 1. Patrick Keller (Par Val) 9:35.0; 2. Kyle Romine (Par Val) 9:43.90 5000m 1. Kyle Goklish (CAC) 15:20.83; 2. Pat Keller (Par Val) 15:22.44 *10k1. Kalid Abdalah (CAC/Som) 32:20.85; 2. Vince Valenzela (Pima) 33:46.86 110m H (0.9)1. Maurice Smith (CAC/Jam) 14.71; 2. Tavius Freeman (CAC) 14.95 400m H 1. Maurice Smith (CAC/Jam) 54.16-in lane one!; 2. Matt Hill (Phx) 56.16 (55.96h) 400m R 1. Central Ariz 41.99; 2. Pima 42.10 1600m R 1. Pima (Duarte 47.5-Manuel 49.0-Seaman 49.4-Martin 49.4) 3:15.27; 2. Mesa 3:22.32 *3200m R1. Mesa 7:47.85; 2. Phoenix 7:47.88 HJ 1. Brian Gray (CAC)2.03/6-8; 2. Ray Lukes II (CAC) 2.03/6-8; 3. Derrick Poynter (CAC) 2.03/6-8; 4. Chase Holmes (Glen) 2.03/6-8 *LJ 1. Sidney Harrison (CAC) 7.16/23-6; 2. Chuck McGhee (CAC) 7.09/23-3 1/4; 3. Hector Gomez (CAC) 7.06/23-2 *PV 1. Brian Keehn (Par Val) 5.05/16-6 3/4; 2. Branden Bennett (P Val) 4.95/16-2 3/4; 3. Bryce Weitz (Mesa) 4.52/14-10 TJ 1. Sidney Harrison (CAC) 15.24/50-0; 2. Jamal Stamps (Pima) 14.86/48-9 SP 1. Scott Sharpe (Phx) 17.49/57-4 3/4; 2. Collin Post (Mesa) 16.29/53-5 1/2 DT 1. Maurice Smith (CAC/Jam) 46.00/150-11; 2. Clay Olson (Mesa) 44.84/147-1 *HT 1. Clay Olson (Mesa) 54.10/177-6; 2. Scott Sharpe (Phx) 48.56/159-4 *JT 1. Ray Lukes II (CAC) 61.14/200-7; 2. Rajne Svenssohn (CAC/Swe) 60.04/197-0 DEC 1. Bryce Weitz (Mesa) 6479; 2. Brian Keehn (Par Val) 6385 TEAMS: 1. Central Arizona 249; 2. Pima 144.5; 3. Mesa 132.5; 4. Phoenix 102; 5. Paradise Valley 82; 6. Glendale 95; 7. Scottsdale 7 WOMEN 100m (1.4) 1. Elva Goulbourne (CAC/Jam) 11.55 MR; 2. Cameal Rhule (CAC/Jam) 12.02 3. Seynabou Ndiaye (CAC/Sen) 12.26; 4. Yuliana Perez (Pima) 12.41 200m (0.8) 1. Elva Goulbourne (CAC/Jam) 23.60 MR; 2. Barbara Wood (Phx) 25.37; 3. Ndiaye (CAC/Sen) 25.62 400m1. Hazel Ann Regis (CAC/Grenada) 53.43; 2. Natasha Foreman (CAC/Jam) 56.18; 3. Sabreena Jones (Phx) 56.85 800m1. Neisha Bernard (CAC/Jam) 2:13.78; 2. Jacinta McMahon (Pima) 2:20.43 1500m 1. Janet Rono (CAC/Ken) 4:38:47; 2. Christina Sergi (Mesa) 5:00.09 *3000m SC 1. Tiffany Kinnibrugh (CAC) 12:31.80 MR; 2. Teresa Brown (CAC) 12:45.80 - first year held 5000m 1. Janet Rono (CAC/Ken) 18:18.20; 2. Christina Sergi (Mesa) 19:28.51 *10k1. Tiffany Alexander (Mesa) 41:42.89 110m H (-0.1) 1. Cameal Rhule (CAC/Jam) 14.54; 2. Kristin Marin (Phx) 15.24 400m H 1. Natasha Foreman (CAC) 66.13; 2. Zalenka Jones (CAC) 66.84 400m R 1. Central Arizona 45.35 MR; 2. Pima 50.35 1600m R 1. Central Arizona 3:47.15 (Conway 59.7-Young 57.4-Bernard 55.8-Regis 54.2) MR; 2. Pima 4:09.83 *3200m R1. Paradise Valley 10:10.86 - only entry! HJ 1. Khadigah Mohamed (CAC) 1.66/5-5.25; 2. Becky Lewis (Mesa) 1.63/5-4.25 PV 1
t-and-f: Perez gets WC wtj A qualifier
The Arizona Daily Star reported this morning that Yuliana Perez obtained her A standard mark for Edmonton with a triple jump of 46-11 34 (14.32) in a meet in Albuquerque on Sunday (July 8). No information as to whether mark was wind-aided or not. If the mark is wind-ok - I hate that term legal/they're all legal, some just aren't acceptable for records - it would rank her U.S. No. 1 for 2001 and No. 2 all-time U.S. behind Sheila Hudson's 47-3 12 (14.41) in 1996. If wind aided she would still rank No.2 U.S. all-conditions as Hudson has four better wind-aided marks. JON ALQUIST P.S. Enough with the Jack Lemmon bashing already! Don't we have any listers in the Bah-ston area who could hop the MTA over to his prep school and check out the yearbooks and back issues of the school newspapers of the time? Too bad we don't have the a New England equivalent of Ken Stone - or do we? - who I'm sure would be able to verify or debunk his track credentials off the top of their head.
t-and-f: Yuliana Perez story link
Fellow TF Digesters: Just passing along links to a couple stories of interest, one from the Arizona Daily Star (Tucson) about triple jumper Yuliana Perez, and another from a London publication about "Chicks On Sticks." OLYMPIC DREAMS Pima athlete looking to go from Cuba, to Tucson, to Oregon to Canada to Athens Not a stretch: Yuliana Perez will compete at the USA Track and Field Championships for the chance to represent America at the World Championships in Edmonton, Alberta. The outpour of support continues for Yuliana Perez, who has started a payback of sorts with her success on the track. Perez traveled from Cuba to Tucson a little over a year ago with all of $800 in a backpack. She was born here, left at age 5, and returned with hopes of finding relatives who could assist her as she began a new life . . . link to rest of story at: http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/10614Perez.html She's the 'chick on a stick' They are the new glamour girls of track and field who can bring traffic to a halt, literally. Over the last 20 years the image of women in athletics has been transformed enormously as sponsors and kit manufacturers have worked out that sex sells. The image of the butch East German shot putter is a thing of the past and athletes like our own Olympic heptathlon champion Denise Lewis now look as comfortable on the front cover of Vogue as they do on the front of Athletics Weekly. Leading the sexual revolution are the women pole-vaulters who captivated last year's Sydney Olympics with their stunning looks and remarkable performances. Australians Tatiana Grigorieva and Emma George might have captured the home crowd's hearts, but Californian Stacy Dragila, the self-styled 'chick on a stick' who won gold last September, is still the girl to beat. . . . link to rest of story at: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/sport/story.html?in_review_id=398993 JON ALQUIST
t-and-f: East African Americans
Alan, I think you just proved Jon Entine's point. Yes, virtually all the slave trade was between West Africa and the New World as it would have been way too expensive and time consuming in those days to sail all the way around the tip of Africa. At the present time, despite their extremely small representation in the U.S. population, two runners of East African decent (actually, both born in their native countries), my friend Abdi Abdirahman (Somalia) and Meb Keflezgihi (Eritrea) are the top two U.S. runners at 10,000m. Abdi is a particularly good example of natural ability coming to the fore, as he had never trained or run competitively until walking on at Pima Community College in Tucson in his late teens. A little over four years later he was a 10th in the Olympic 10k with the fastest time ever run by an American in the event! Another obvious example is marathoner Khalid Kanouchi (sp?), of North African decent. JON ALQUIST Alan Tobin wrote . . . . . I also wonder, when this country was first settled and slaves were pouring in weren't there any slaves from North/East Africa? or were they all from West Africa? If there are people of East/North African decent in this country then why haven't they dominated distance running? Surely they would not fit well into any other sport in high school so would naturally be drawn to track and cross-country simply because they are good at running. Usually you don't stick to something in high school unless you are good at it. If just a handfull of Americans with East/North African decent became runners wouldn't they dominate the US running scene IF genetics plays such a role? Also, slavery wasn't not limited to this country...how about other countries who took in African slaves? What about their distance runners?
t-and-f: Chess and Kalenjins?
Oleg: When did chess become a sport? I'm sure if Steven Hawking (a paraplegic) or Bill Gates (who doesn't strike me as being very athletic) devoted their considerable intellectual powers to chess they might also become world champions. Sorry, don't see the analogy to distance running abilities. Also "Russians," particularly during most of the last 70+year period you cite, could hardly be considered a distinctive ethnic/genetic group, considering the melange of nationalities incorporated into the former Soviet Union. In fact, I believe a number of the so-called "Russian" world chess champs were indeed not ethnic Russians, a number of them being Jews (a fact that the old Soviet regime was not to anxious publicize). JON ALQUIST
t-and-f: 5k/10k/marathon USOT qualifiers
Brian McEwen queried on 4/11 if anyone knew of any US males who qualified for a US Olympic Trails in the 5k, 10k and marathon. In 1968 George Young MADE the U.S. Olympic team in the steeplechase and marathon (winning the marathon trials in 2:30+ at altitude/Alamosa, CO), so I wouldn't be surprised if he also had Trials qualifing marks in the 5k and 10k. In 1972 He also made the US team in the 5k, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had a a 10k Q mark that year, but don't know if he ran any marathons (or if there even was a qualifying standard at that time). 1968 was the first year that one final race was used to determine the Olympic marathon team. Before that it was based on several designated marathons, so there was probably no qualifying standard to enter the trails. A quick review of 5k/10k/Mar results in my copy of Scott Davis's 1984 Media Guide to the 1984 US FOT, indicates a plethora of runners who likely would meet Brian's criterion. The following individuals placed in the top 8 in at least two of the races or likely had Q marks in both and/or marathon: 1964: Gerry Lindgren (1st10k); Billy Mills (2nd 10k); Doug Brown (3rd 10k) 1968: Lindgren (4th 5k/5th 10k); Mills (4th 10k); Kenny Moore (7th 10k/2nd Mar) 1972: Frank Shorter (1st 10k/1st Mar); Jack Bacheler (2nd Mar/2nd 5k in '68); Don Kardong (6th 10k/6th Mar); Jeff Galloway (2nd 10k/4th Mar) 1976: Shorter; Craig Virgin, Gary Bjorklund, Bill Rodgers, Ed Mendoza (5th 10k/definitely had Q marks in Mar 5k), Kardong, et. al 1980: Virgin, Alberto Slazar, Jeff Wells, Tony Sandoval, Dick Buerkle, Steve Ortiz, Doug Padilla I get the impression that a whole lot of athletes from the Golden Age of U.S. Distance Running (mid '60s to mid '80s) easily qualified for the USOT in all three events. BTW, does anyone out there have a listing of Olympic Trials qualifying standards for each year? Also, what was the first year that standards were established for entry into the USOTs? I don't seem to remember much mention of them back in the '50s, as everybody paid their own way. JON ALQUIST Original Message - Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:26:07 -0400 From: Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Olympic Trials distance question Does anyone know of any males in the US who qualified for the 5k/10k/and Mar. for one Olympic Trials? I had a friend who did so in 1984. We all thought it was good, but not earth-shaking, because he went about 13:40/28:40/2:17:16 that year, and there were plenty of sub-28:00/sub-2:10 guys at the time. The qualifying standards in 1984 were about 13:42/28:46/2:19:50 ... they have relaxed somewhat since then. Clearly many guys had the ability to score this hat-trick (Shorter, Bjorklund, Virgin, Salazar, Meyer, Eyestone, on and on) ... But do you know any who have actually qualified for these three races within the qualifying window allowed for a single Olympic Trials? - -Brian McEwen P.S. What is the time window allowed for qualifying for these races at the Trials?
t-and-f: TJ phenom Yuliana Perez
Complete story on the U.S.A.'s newest and most surprising triple jump prospect can be accessed on the Web at : http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/10410Perezfeature.html Jon Alquist Pima's triple threat YULIANA PEREZ: FROM TUCSON TO CUBA AND BACK AGAIN Junior college record holder in triple jump traveled difficult road By Ed Odeven ARIZONA DAILY STAR Images from her television set mesmerized Yuliana Perez in 1992 as she watched the Summer Olympics, dreaming of becoming a world-class athlete. "I said, 'I like that, I want to do that,' " Perez said. That goal appears to be in sight for the 19-year-old Pima Community College freshman. Perez has quickly established herself as one of the nation's elite junior college track athletes. At the National Junior College Athletic Association's Indoor Track and Field Championships on March 3, Perez captured the gold medal in the triple jump (43 feet, 5 3/4 inches) and long jump (19-2 3/4), becoming the first athlete in Aztec history to win two individual national championships. Next up was the All-American Community College Invitational on March 24, where Perez finished first in the long jump (19-7 3/4) and set a national junior college record in the triple jump (45-1 1/2), surpassing the previous mark by 1-1/2 inches. . . . Although she misses her family in Cuba, Perez said they are happy she's pursuing her dream - competing for the U.S. in the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens, Greece. "I'm sorry for my family, but my dream is for me now," she said.
t-and-f: Owens's record breakers/UA Winter Meet results
GH asked Every statistician worth his salt knows that Ralph Boston was the one who broke Owens' long hold on the World Record. But what about other records that Owens held? I reply: Who broke his High School Record? Monte Upshaw, Piedmont CA, 1954, 25-4 1/4 Who broke his NCAA meet record? Willie Steele, San Diego State, 1947, 26-6 Who broke his Ohio State school record? His OSU OUTDOOR school record has not been broken. (Sorry, I am a long-time adherent of not mixing indoor/outdoor marks on top-10/20/100 etc. and record lists-two different sports, really!) BTW, does anyone on the list know of an outdoor NCAA (all divisions) school that has an OLDER school record in any of the standard (i.e. NCAA Championship) events than Owens's OSU long jump mark from 1936? For example, I would imagine Steele's is still the San Diego State school mark, especially since they no longer have a men's tf program. I've always thought it might be fun to compile a listing of the oldest OUTDOOR school records in each of the standard NCAA Champ. events. So send me and/or the list your contenders, and I'll post what I compile. FYI: A few significant marks from the "almost annual" U. of Arizona Winter All Comers, Dec. 9 in Tucson (Cloudless, windless and temps in the mid 70s!). Note the surprising 43-3 triple jump by previously unknown Yuliana Perez which likely will make U.S. top 20 list for 2000. She was born in Tucson but moved to Cuba as a child and lived there until returning to U.S. just recently. Never became a Cuban citizen so has not, to my knowledge, ever competed intenationally. I have no knowledge of her previous marks (any additional info from nuestros amigos cubanos en la tf lista seria muy agradecido). MEN 100/200 Jeff Garner (Pima CC) 10.76/21.41 400 Jan Duarte (Unat.) 48.68 800 Robert Seaman (Pima CC) 1:55.66 3k Kyle Goklish (C. Az . CC0 8:38.28 Andrew Carlson (UA) 8:39.13 4x400 UA (Lea 48.3, Kenyon 46.9) 3:11.33 Thomas 47.9, Doumbia'/SEN 47.8) PV Dason Phelps (UA) 5.00 (16-4 3/4) Jeff Dutoit (Unat.) 5.00 LJ/TJ Jamal Stamps (Pima CC0 6.89/14.67 (48-1 3/4) SP Richard Legarra (UA)16.57/54-4 1/2 JT Chrisian Banken (UA)61.16 (200-8) WOMEN 100 Yuliana Perez (Pima CC) 12.65 200 Brianna Glenn (UA) 25.39 1500Cara Cline (UA) 4:40.1h PV Jackie Honey (Sky Ath) 3.95 (12-11 1/2) Adin Harrison (Sky Ath) 3.80 (12-5 1/2) Andrea Dutoit/née Neary (UA) 3.65 (11-11 3/4) Amy Linnen (UA) 3.65 Phyllis Brown (UA) 3.65 Sarah Jacobs (UA) 3.65 TJ Yuliana Perez (Pima CC0 13.18 (43-3) TaKisha Morgan (UA) 12.07 (39-7 1/4) DT Rachelle Noble (Unat) 46.80 (153-6) (also: SP/12.81; WT/16.41; HT/48.54; JT/41.84) JON ALQUIST (send oldest school record to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED])
t-and-f: Speedy lobsters . . .:-)
Tony Craddock opined . . . By extrapolation, would a lobster, when first placed into boiling water, break the world 100M record? Only if that lobster is of West African heritage! JON ALQUIST P.S. And speaking of boiling pots, I hope "franno" is priming his taste buds for the crow he's going to have to eat when at least one (if not more) 200m runners in USA uniforms step up on the medal podium in Sydney. Although I wasn't there in person, it's my considered opinion that the situation (track specs/weather) in Sacramento was the crucible on which several future U.S. sprint stars were forged.
t-and-f: Best Michael/Maurice headline
Best newspaper headline I've seen concerning the OT 200m final fiasco was in Monday's Arizona Republic: At finish, only their mouths were running JON ALQUIST
t-and-f: tiger woods's Olympic tf prospects
Some random ramblyings . . . I'd be interested in finding out how far Tiger can toss one of his clubs (maybe one about the weight and length of a javelin). I doubt he would do much worse than the current crop of U.S. javelin throwers! Alluding back to a previous thread concerning JJK's credentials as greatest women's athlete of all time, I submit the following: An aggregate total of the best marks in each individual heptathlon event by all entrants in the 2000 US Olympic Trials would yield a score of 6715 - a score that JJK by herself exceeded no less than 15 times during her career! Also, based on her career PRs in individual events, she could have made the 2000 US Olympic team in four events (200/22.30 - 100H/12.61 - HJ/6-4 - LJ/24-7), would have placed fifth at the Trials in two others (400H/55.05 - SP/55-3), and would have made the finals of the javelin (164-5). Given these stats, plus the fact that she was a starter on a nationally ranked UCLA women's basketball team, can there REALLY be any doubt as to who the greatest woman (if not human) athlete of all time is? I think not, especially considering the fact the several of the other challengers proposed on this list had their heyday during the era of the now admitted drug-aided Eastern European dominance of women's tf. Lastly . . . . will Nike officially list the color of the bodysuit that MG wore in the 200 meters at Sacramento as "maurice green." JON ALQUIST
