Re: t-and-f: What in the world happened?
Netters This is going to both the T&F list and the race walk list. For those on the racewalk list Randy Treadway is a I-friend of mine. He wrote: > Okay, All I have is the "agate" on the IAAF/Edmonton web > site-> 42 women started the 20K Walk, and FIFTEEN OF THEM > got disqualified!!! Snip > Back to the walk- > one of those DQ'd was Michelle Rohl. > Fill us in Mike- what happened? > Outrageous judging? Well it could have been very strict judging. Outrageous could be the word used but honestly I just don't know. Michelle has a bad habit of not calling me while away - especially when something bad happens. I will say this though, for certain reasons, I had thought Michelle might be off her game a bit but we have to get some tests done first. She will be home tommorrow and when I get a report I'll let you know. Interestingly the last time Michelle got DQed was May of 98 in her first 20k. Since that time she has done a great deal of technique work and hasn't had any problems, including a world cup and the Olympics. But as I have always said, walking is a tricky event, you have to have be right on to get it right - just imagine hitting that long jump board every step. > A third of the field took a wrong turn and got > accused of cutting the course? Don't we wish. Talk to you all tommorrow morning. Mike
Re: t-and-f: Sprint Respect
Netters Conway wrote: > But Mike, I already knew that the walks don't get respect here !!! Just > didn't know the sprints were in the same boat ... We'll have to start a > walks and sprints list ! :o) actually I hadn't even looked at the walks > results yet .. I should be embarrassed :o( Nah no worries Conway. A sprint/walks alliance? That would be interesting - almost as good as the Hammer/walks alliance that occurred back in the 80's. I have always thought that sprinters and throws guys often respected walks, except Michael Johnson that is. My experience in setting where event disciplines have to share a track (like Nationals and Olympic Trials.) I have found folks like Mo and Jon Drummond to be very much gentleman and respectful of me while I was training. Even when I did sort of drift into a lane Jon was blasting away in. Mike
Re: t-and-f: Sprint Respect
Netters Conway wrote: > ... Most likely the only sweep the US will experience in this meet and >possibly the only sweep that will occur period .. hey I thought it was realy cool but Conway... well the Russians Already swept the 20k walk. :) Mike
t-and-f: morning Heart Rates
Netters > I've hear that Miguel Indurain has his heart rate in the high 20s. > No wonder he can pump that bike up the mountains. I have heard of low 40's but not >sure on anyone in > the thirties. Interestingly I have recorded my HR in the morning at 38. But while wearing a Heart Monitor overnight I recorded a heart rate of 25 for several minutes during the deepest sleep.
t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN
Netters some how I missed the start of this one not that it really matters. But I am wondering how long these kinds of debates are going to happen. As events become more competitive there is bound to be some cross over in events. Now I know years ago some thought that walkers couldn't run and that is why they walked. But time and again we see that walker cross over into running very well. Alina Ivanova a 42 min 10 walker and 2:27 marathoner from Russia. Most of you know about Michelle's exploits as a middle distance runner (NAIA champion and 15 time all-american as well as a 2:48 marathon). A couple of years ago I pointed out that Justin Easter of Main won the state championship in the walk, mile run and two mile in the same day. Many at the time scoffed that the triple wasn't that hard but really that is impressive no matter how you look at it - he ran a 4:20. He won the JN 10 k walk his senior year in HS and won JN in the steeple the next year. Amber Antonia a All American cross country runner was second in Eugene. Robyn Stevens who is one of the best Junior walkers has also run 5:12 and will go to Parkside to run and walk. How many of you knew that Jerry Lingren tried the walk in meets? How about our own list member Floyd Highfill. ? My point is this: the walk is just another endurance event. That's it. You train almost the same race the strategic, get the same HR's same VO2 all the same. There are lots of guys I see run that would be just as good or better walkers and some walkers are solid runners it goes both ways. SOme folks, Roger Ruth for example, put out all kinds of things about the vault. Mike ROTH puts stuff up about HS walkers. Mainstream track writers/list keeper/whoever sometimes inadvertently forget to mention good performances by walkers. Ask Tom Surber or Glen McClicken how many times I have drooped them notes about things as reminders. I am never upset when I have to do this because I know they are very busy and they always say thanks. If all the events had people doing stuff like that media relations would be way better. Anyway I am not sure what happened here but this list is all about T&F - don't really see why there needs to be a problem at all. Mike
Re: t-and-f: Re: Jenny Adams
Netters Russ wrote: > Jenny is being coached by Tom Tellez, who, in my opinion, is the most underrated of >all of the great sprint/jump coaches. Underrated? Low profile by his own choice maybe but not underrated. Mike
t-and-f: This will scare the hell out of you!
Netters, Over the years I have shared some pretty unbelievable thing that have happened to Michelle and I as we wind our way through this rare world we live in. Of course my closest friends know i don't have to make this stuff up - you just can't. On the Wednesday before Nationals - 12 days ago - we found a small tick on Michelle's lat. It was in fact a bear tick. Now there isn't anyone in WIsconsin who doesn't know the danger of these little bastards and we were on the look out for any signs of Lyme's disease. She left the next day and no target rash or other symptoms began. Her race went well, no one mentioned but her 10k split (44:52) was faster then the winning time of any national 10k and she set the AR for 15k on the way through as well. The occurrence of Lyme's infection has been down in this area so since Michelle manifested no symptoms there was the possibility the bacteria was not transmitted. On Wednesday Michelle began to complain of a back ache - woke me up 3 times to let me know too. By Friday the day she was to resume training she wasn't feeling well at all. By Saturday she had a Temp for of 102 and off to the E.R. we went. By this time a feint target rash was beginning to appear. Well Lyme's disease it was and 2 IV bags later a does of extra strength Tylenol and the appropriate antibiotic were off. The Doc says once the fever is gone she can train again, which should be in a day or so and a 21 day block of this stuff will cure it with little risk of long term problems. My advice. If you are outside much in areas where there might be bear/deer ticks. Learn and know the signs of Lyme's. By knowing what to look for and early intervention we were able to save Michelle from the worst of it. Michael Rohl
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Larry wrote: You kidding, right? So does MJ have to dominate the world in the 5000m to be considered a "leader" in the sport of track & field? No, Larry, i am not kidding. But, You have mis understood what I meant by leader. What the original poster implied that MJ was "leader" as in captain. The kind of guy others keyed off of for performance. He may have been a leader in your sense - being first on the lists or being the best - but in any other sense of the word he was not. You can't lead some one or a group but making public statements that they don't deserve to even exist. Mike
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Ed Parrot wrote: "I believe that the relatively small amount of prize money this year was a good first step." Don't be misled here by those press releases - that was not prize money. It was USOC stipends disguised as prize money and further not every winner gets one. Its the same as it has been the last 4 years with the exception that a 4th place has been added. Further not all the athletes get the money you think they have earned. For instance an athlete making more then 80,000 dollars - that is "published" does not get the money. And then neither do the college athletes, of course, nor can one do a double and and take both. You only get to keep the one you placed highest in. Further the money doesn't always slide down. For instance Gabe doesn't get 500 dollars and it can't go to Webb either. But whoever was 6th in the 1500 will not get it either because you have the A standard to get that money if you are in a position other than1-4. WHere does it go? Back into the events (like the sprints) that have the A standards. So much for development of an event. Though I can't say for sure here are a list of athletes who might not get this: MO, Marion, BK, Goucher, Regina Gail? just for starters.
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Louise Forwarded: > THE NO FALSE START RULE > DISCRIMINATION AGAINST SPRINTERS > > WHEREAS the start for the sprinter/hurdler is a complex part of the race > and sprinters/hurdlers are the only athletes symbiotically linked with > another person, the starter (who is never held accountable) While I think that whole thing is great I must say I believe that racewalk athletes are as symbiotcally linked to racewalk judges as any.
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Darrell wrote: > We are skating the issue here. Yes, there is the AAC, but they are the same > people that feel slighted. This is exactly what I am speaking about. The > athletes do not feel as though they have an adequate voice in the function of > the federation and its decision making, and policy making. > More specifically the sprinters really feel slighted. And that becomes a big > problem because you are talking about the premier athletes at that point. You folks are not being told the truth here - I have been through those meetings and the sprinters who do show up work hard and do feel like they are being represented well. As do all the athletes who come to the meetings. But you have to come and work. Mike
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Darrel wrote > A big push for the nationals would be the reestablishment of the relationship > between the federation and the athlete. There is none right now. > It began decades ago and is now blowing up right before our eyes. This > current wave of rule changes and proposals drove a stake between the two > parties. The athletes feel as though they have a very limited voice, and > that voice is often ignored. We will see a resurgence when the athletes feel > as though they have a stake in the program. Right now they feel like slaves, > and clowns performing for the masses. On top of it all, the athletes are the > ones that get criticized, and take the hit, and the federation leaves them in > the lurch. Bad business. While I don't disagree with Darrell's point about wether a defending World Champion who has a bye should or should not be forced to compete at a Nationals Championships (I have mixed feelings myself). I do disagree with about athletes feeling they have a limited voice. The AAC is very strong and has Craig's ear - it would be stronger yet is the big guns would come and lend support. As for it blowing up - nah 86 was much worse with the whole Good Will Games fiasco. ANd not to start a huge fight but why is it that 3 rounds of a 100 are more dibillitating then say a 5k/10k double? We might note it is always the big time sprinter who want out of the Nationals. Why is that? Mike
Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport
Netters Eric wrote: > Be it the weather conditions or the athletes feeling the loss of US's track > and field leader, I must say that there are many, many athletes who in no way think of Michael Johnson in anyway a leader in our sport. He has managed to completely alienate himself from just about any event longer than 400m and in the field. Mike
