RE: t-and-f: Yawn
Yes what you say is true, but it can also kill you I am a dialysis patient and I take it, but believe me I am no super man. Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:59 PM To: 'Bob Duncan'; 'Martin J. Dixon '; t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Yawn Human beings are aerobic organisms. Anything that will help maximize that metabolic component will help athletic performance. . Imagine how a weak and lethargic a sedentary individual feels if afflicted with anemia. Treat them with erythropoietin and their strength comes back and they feel invigorated and energized to excel an mundane every day tasks. Now take a high performance athlete, were fractions of a percent in performance can make the difference of millions of dollars, treat them with EPO and you can't see the benefit? This should be obvious. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Duncan Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:26 PM To: Martin J. Dixon ; t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: t-and-f: Yawn Incredible for a 100m athlete to take EPO. But then again, it probably helps more for training than competition. Maybe Marion needs to give the 400m a shot before they yank her. (She was supposed to run Weltklasse today in a loaded field, but I don't want to know what happened until I watch the WCSN video!). She was defeated at Rome and that was her first defeat of the year. I don't know if she was beaten again or what. bob - Original Message - From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: t-and-f: Yawn -http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR200608180 0926.html
Re: t-and-f: National Indoor
Just could not help myself , but have met very caring people who are will to go out of their way to help me when I have need it in NEW YORK so nice they named it twice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 2:10:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ran MANY night meets at the Armory in college. The area is very safe. I never once felt unsafe warming up or cooling down for a meet at the Armory. If people aren't coming for that reason... well... they need to get over their fears and realize that per capita, NYC is one of the safest places to be in the country... at any hour... in nearly any neighborhood. Not to pick on NYC, which is one of my favorite cities on the planet, but you natives need to realize not only that ALL big cities are intimidating to much of the populace, but also that New Yorkers' unparalleled rudeness coefficient (I guess they'd call it survival) and brusque manner rarely leave an outsider feeling particularly welcome. (Hey, I don't mind, just paint a target on me!) gh
Re: t-and-f: Barry's pedigree
GH you are so right it's sometimes just not called for. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:52:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if Barry is on nadro? how about an amendment to the list charter that anybody who scurrilously injects drugs into an unrelated post be suspended? gh
Re: t-and-f: WOMEN's 2:20 BARRIER
Mike I think you are right ; I see lots more to come . The runners now know that it can be done . I see 2hr and 16 min in the near future..go women science says the should be great at distance running. Mike Fanelli wrote: With 2 women running sub 2:20 in as many weeks, will we see a new found flurry of such activity as happened when Bannister first broke 4:00?? And, while we're at it, where would Nedereba's time be ranked amongst US men this year?? Mike Fanelli your San Francisco Bay Area real estate resource Pacific Union Real Estate Group Ltd. (415) 447 - 6254 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.SFabode.com www.MarinHouseHunting.com
Re: t-and-f: DELTA AIRLINES STINK
No that is not true , the procedure changes if you scream loudly in the right persons ear these are kids not adults ... under these conditions my kids would stay at home .thank you. Those poor people on the planes had a contract to get from point A to B it did not happen. R. N. Ball wrote: When you purchase a plane ticket at the cheapest rate it is no exchange and no change without a fee. I do this all of the time. That ticket and your exchange of money establishes the terms of a contract. Now you want to cancell and not even change the contract that you agreeded to. Why does Delta stink? Live up to the terms of the agreement and there is no problem. To the best of my knowledge all airlines have the same procedures. R. N. Ball - Original Message - From: Tom Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Track List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: DELTA AIRLINES STINK John, You could change your mind and go regardless and teach your team a lesson in courage. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: t-and-f: DELTA AIRLINES STINK I was planning on taking my team, Don Bosco Prep of Ramesy NJ, for an exciting cross country weekend at Disney in early October. We had looked forward to this trip for many months. Then the recent events of September 11th and all our plans were changed. The school did not feel that it was right to aks these boys to step on a plane, which I totally agree. Many of the parents were also concerned about the possible trip so we called it off. I contacted the hotel(Amerisuites) where we had signed a contract, they understood, canceled the rooms with no penalty, and wished us the best. Disney is returning our entry fee, this is unheard of-nor was it asked for. But Delta airlines has refused to refund our tickets. HOW LOW CAN YO GO? They have offered that we can use the tickets for 1 year, but have to pay fees of $100.00 per ticket. That is 1/2 the value. DELTA STICKS!! Many of us were effected by the events of September 11th and have lost family and friends. Now Delta looks to steal our money! Below you will see their response to us regarding a refund request. Can any of you help? Thank you, John Nepolitan Don Bosco Prep Ramsey, NJ Dear Mr. Nepolitan, Thank you for contacting Delta Air Lines. Thank you for your additional comments. In light of the recent events, we can appreciate your decision not to travel. While we would like to offer special consideration to your request, we are unable to honor the many similar requests that we receive from others in equally deserving situations. We established and adhere to a consistent refund policy that ensures Delta is equitable to everyone who travels with us. Consequently, we respectfully decline your request for a refund. We are hopeful that as time goes on your confidence in the nations airline industry will be renewed. Since your ticket is valid for one year from the issue date, the residual value of your ticket, after applicable service fees and penalties are applied, may be used toward future travel. We would welcome a future opportunity to be of service. We appreciate your interest in Delta Air Lines. Sincerely, Concetta Anzulewicz Online Customer Care
Re: t-and-f: Results - Berlin 5K (screaming! fast)
There was I guy running for the whitehouse . Gary something :-). I am clean he said Mcewen, Brian T wrote: if Yegorova is dirty and Radlciffe is screaming bloody murder up and down what does it say for those who almost broke the world record as well... that's part of the problem with accusing others is it sheds speculation on you when you run fast or do what you said or implied couldn't be done One of the differences with Radcliffe, is that she has publicized her willingness to be blood-tested anytime, anywhere, someone pleases. As far as I know, Jon Brown and Mark Carroll are the only others who have made that known. There, of course, may be others. Also, Paula Radcliffe has not failed a urine screen for EPO. Yegorova has. When did Paula Radcliffe say 14:32 could not be run without drug use? -Original Message- From: Kebba Tolbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Results - Berlin 5K (screaming! fast) results discussed below Wow, Berlin had a screaming women's 5k. official Result (note: WR is 14:28.09) Women - 5000 METRES Yegorova Olga RUS 14:29.32 (#2 all time) Wami Gete ETH 14:31.69 (#6 all time) Radcliffe Paula GBR 14:32.44 (# 9 all time) Tomashova Tatyana RUS 14:39.22 (# 12 all time) Malot Leah KEN 14:56.95 Pavey Joanne GBR 15:00.56 Kavaklioglu Ebru TUR 15:02.62 Adere Berhane ETH 15:04.91 Loroupe Tegla KEN 15:09.31 Worku Ayelech ETH 15:09.34 Turova Alesya BLR 15:30.63 Belkacem Yamna FRA 15:42.59 Komyagina Olga RUS DNF Masai Edith KEN DNF wow... so here's my problem... if Yegorova is dirty and Radlciffe is screaming bloody murder up and down what does it say for those who almost broke the world record as well... that's part of the problem with accusing others is it sheds speculation on you when you run fast or do what you said or implied couldn't be done Radcliffe's previous PR was 14:43 Wami's Pr was 14:36 Yegorova's PR was 14:42 Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Men's and Women's Jumps Multis Coach Syracuse University Track Field _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: t-and-f: RE: something else to chew on
the Jamaican uniforms were not nike's , but adidas made.my runner was good enough to bring me one Vince Conway wrote: Jim wrote: IMHO, the last good looking uniforms the USA had were the '72 OG. Of late, it seems Nike's uniform style philosophy seems to be do less with more. Very busy, not too functional or aesthetic. I too liked the 72 uniforms .. Simple and sharp .. The 91 World's weren't bad and didn't they use them again in the 92 Olympics ?? But the last few years have been bad .. Not just for the US but around the world .. Even something like the former Unified teams green uniforms were not bad .. Or the gold and black of Jamaica ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: RE: built like tanks
Women by enlarge lack the upper body strength and so they work the upper body and lower...look at Divers she can brnch 300lb.( sprinter) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of built like tanks- I've noticed the trend for some time, but at Edmonton it was particularly distinct when I compared the physiques of women 800 meter runners to men 800 meter runners. You guessed it- the women are SIGNIFICANTLY more 'buffed' than the men, for the same event. A bunch of muscle women. Graf and Mutola are typical. So why do women feel it necessary to bulk up for a middle distance race, and the men don't? Do women need it to offset a lower center of gravity than the men? I'm confused. If men 800 meter runners undertook the endeavour to get to the same relative upper body muscle proportions as the women, would it help or hinder their race times? RT
Re: t-and-f: Funny?
must of been on Randalls Island NY..I ran it all so seemed like a mile back then. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/23/01 11:04:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know how she feels. When I ran in high school, the 400 was the equivalent of a marathon for me. Try running the 220y on a straightaway when you're a freshman in high school. I thought I was gonna die! Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Runners Form
My 2cts and a half...what if a computer was given certain rules about a person dealing with the persons physical characteristic and told to make it run in the most efficient manner .. we would get a differnt out with each personI think. Another thought the movement of a child is often reflexed in the parent hmm. Your thoughts Tom Fleming wrote: on 7/1/01 1:59 PM, mike fanelli at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, based on the Byron Dyce and Tom Derderian posts re: efficiency of form, is it safe to assume that a guy like Canadian, Paul McCloy (a guy we called 3 lane McCloy because one had to go all the way out to lane three to get around him and his form), may have actually been an efficient long distance runner?? -Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Byron Dyce [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eckmann, Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Runners Form Byron makes a good point. The exercise physiologists talk about efficiency by describing the amount of oxygen consumed at a sub-max effort like in a long distance race. A runner is more efficient if less oxygen per kilogram of body weight per second is used at a specific pace than an other runner. But such a determination cannot be applied to a runner exceeding VO2 max such has an 800 runner. Perhaps there is another measure of maybe lactic acid production at a given pace where the runner producing less lactic acid at perhaps a 60 sec 400 is more efficient. I don't know if such testing is done on 800 meter runners as sub-max testing is done on marathoners. Does anyone know of a measurement of efficiency for anaerobic running? We should not confuse a measurable thing like efficiency with an aesthetic judgment like fluidity of form. Some runners may look smooth but may or may not be efficient in their use of energy. Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club - Original Message - From: Byron Dyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eckmann, Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Runners Form In my very humble opinion, efficiency should only be defined relative to each distance or event. What is an effiecient form or style for running an 800m race will probably not be efficient for running a marathon, etc. Byron Eckmann, Drew wrote: With all this talk on form and efficiency, who out there are the most efficient runners that you have all seen? clearly Frank Shorter I'd go with Wilson Kipketer. /Drew Hi guys, How about Bill Rodgers' running form ... he was definitely not perfect with his right arm flapping in front of his body, and a little bit to much bounce or floating (I always thought that was good however) he generally had a sloppy running style ... but ... BR's results: he was the best and his style was very efficient, he was 2:09, and a marathon Champion dozens of times! Go figure! TF; Tom Fleming
Re: t-and-f: Academic honors
Dr. Meriweather to that list Ed Grant wrote: Netters: The posting on Tony Waldrop's new position at NCU suggests a new all-time list composed of persons like him who have distinguished themselves academically or professionally in later life. Two obvious nominations would be, for the LJ, the late Meredith Gourdine, and, for the sprints, Dr. David Sime. And, if you want to extend it past our shores, there's also Dr. Roger Bannister, Dr. Arhur Wint and Dr. Otto Peltzer. Ed Grant
t-and-f: Need track meet
Need a track meet this weekend ...on the east coast. For a 100 and 200m. runner. He ran 10:18 at the Jamaican trials.
Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?
When Tiger Woods was six he said his son was going to be the best . He was not wrongand this was on the TV...when Tiger was six. hmmm alan tobin wrote: That's a big statement. Of course Tiger's dad probably thinks Tiger could have beaten Ali in a boxing match and Tiger is bigger than MLK Jr. Tiger's dad seems a bit off to me. I bet there's a whole skeleton army in that family's closet. Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:34:59 EDT In a message dated 6/9/01 2:16:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that he was state MVP of football (in VA) running the option, but could he have been a great runner as well? I think so. I think Iverson could be a world class athlete in any sport that he pursued. Tiger Wood's Dad said if Tiger had concentrated on track (at which he was fairly good I think) he'd have beaten Michael Johnson in the 400m. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: hi all
Need some info on 100 meter runner ...Was to run at Princeton today. Name of runner Julian Dunkley Thanks Vince
Re: t-and-f: Borzov and the Jesse Owens award
I ran with some of these men and trash talking was just a part of the game they all did it...it was like b'ball on the track and just plain old fun, Conway wrote: Darrell wrote: And everyone thought the current crop of sprinters started this air of clowning, and bravado. It has been, and will be a part of the game. Borzov was mild when posted against Carlos, C. Green, etc. I wonder, was the demise of civilization predicted back then, too? On another topic, how much credibility does the USATF Jesse Owens award still have? IAAF, USOC lists that woman with the 5 Olympic medals as their woman of the year, but not her federation. A definite miscue, in my opinion. >The current sprinters are mild compared to the sprinters of the 60's and early 70's .. Guys like Hines, Greeene and CArlos would step on the track and ask the other guys who was taking second becasue they already had first lined up .. And THAT was mild .. Course when all was said and done everyone would go out partying together .. NOt sure if I would see MO and MJ out together at the same party ..Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: YES ALL ELITE ARE ON DRUGS
Yes they too are too poor to buy drugs.and so also is those who live in the suburbs . What dose this have to do with drugs in track??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netters Ben Hall writes: In response too mantis: That is an idiotic statement. Mantis wrote: The question is Do you have to take the drugs to be an elite athlete? You would think that some people might learn... but Ben Hall Came to the same conclusion I already have... My wife is elite she is not nor ever has done drugs. You are wrong. Again. Note on the idea that African are too poor to buy drugs. Might I remind us all inner city dwellers are too poor to buy drugs?
