RE: t-and-f: walkers 10k times
Schildhauer was World vice-champion in 1983 and actually the second best 10K runner after Alberto Cova, during these years. Kunze's name was Hansjorg, rather than Hansorg, to the best of my recollection. UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: walkers 10k times Netters brian wrote: > The guy in question is Werner Schildhauer, who developed at the same time as > Hansorg Kunze. Both were 5k/10k guys and I recall something about him > (Schildhauer) being a former racewalker. Brian thanks for that great info on Werner what a solid track career he had - I had no idea. I think you are right that he was junior walker, i will check some sources I have here. Again thanks.
RE: t-and-f: walkers 10k times
Netters brian wrote: > The guy in question is Werner Schildhauer, who developed at the same time as > Hansorg Kunze. Both were 5k/10k guys and I recall something about him > (Schildhauer) being a former racewalker. Brian thanks for that great info on Werner what a solid track career he had - I had no idea. I think you are right that he was junior walker, i will check some sources I have here. Again thanks.
RE: t-and-f: walkers 10k times
Mike Rohl wrote: <<<< I was told once that the East German who finished Second at the 83 worlds was a former elite walker. Maybe Wayne of G.H. can confirm this story. >>>>> The guy in question is Werner Schildhauer, who developed at the same time as Hansorg Kunze. Both were 5k/10k guys and I recall something about him (Schildhauer) being a former racewalker. I doubt that He was an elite walker though, unless he was an elite junior walker. I doubt this because he came on the scene as a fairly young guy in 1981 or so, along with Kunze. I don't know whether they even competed at Moscow, but Kunze beat Rono in 1981 with a 13:10 for the top non-Rono 5000 time of the year. Schildhuaer ran first in the 1981 World Cup 10k (Kedir second, Salazar third), ran second in the 82 EuroChamp 10k (Cova first) and was again 2nd to Cova in the 83 WorldCh 10k ... I think he was also 2nd to Coghlan in the kicker's 5000 in 83. I know that E. Germany didn't send guys who weren't medal material to major championships .. but maybe someone can comment on whether these two stars of the early 80's even ran in Moscow 1980. I don't have TnFnews from that year. I think that both of those fair-haired boys were about 22 at the time they hit world-class .. so if he walked it must have been when he was much younger. -Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:32 PM To: sean other; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: walkers 10k times Netters Sean asked: > Would it be possible for the walkers on the list to > post their 10k (running ) prs. Also their 1/2 > Marathon, and Marathon times. > Might open a few eyes. Michelle Rohl ran 4:20 1500 16:40 5k. lost to only Leah Pells her senior year at NAIA's. She ran 2:48 and 1:18 half. She won the Governor's Cup 25k in 1;33 something in SC. Ed Prytech can tell you more about that then I. The fastest woman marathoner/10k walker I have ever heard of was Alina Ivanova of Russia. She was the 91 world champ in 42 mins and this year ran 2:27 marathon. This is the first official announcement on this. Michelle will be running this year. Her focus will be 3k indoors and 10k outdoors. She will walk as she is qualified for both indoor and outdoors but her primary focus will be running in the 33 minute range. After this transition year she will go to running full time the year after. As for me I never ran in college track just walked. But during the 12 weeks each year I ran cross country I managed to get down to 27:30 for 8k cross country. Not great by any standard but then I never claimed to be a truly elite athlete. Some PR's of Guys I know. Ian Whatly 1:27 20k 4:15 50k 4:16 miler/15:30 5k Curt Clausen 1:23/3:48 50kHigh School mile 4:32 Ray Sharp (going back aways) 1:24 20k - 4:27 H.S. mile Mike Stauch 41:07 10k American College Record - 1:55 H.S. half miler Andrew Herman 3:57 50k also ran x-c for Willamatte - think his best 8k was 25:30 Problem is most of these guys spent college years walking rather then running and the cross over isn't real great. So the reason for knowing the H.S. Prs I was told once that the East German who finished Second at the 83 worlds was a former elite walker. Maybe Wayne of G.H. can confirm this story.
Re: t-and-f: walkers 10k times
Hi Ed and Dana, I think you misunderstand my reason for asking. I am a walker, not a very good one, but I know several walkers who have awesome running times. One guy who although he's an international walker wouldn't be an Olympic medal contender has ran sub 29:30 for 10k track off walking training. Another just the other day ran a track session of 4 x 1200 metres in 3:27. Neither of these as I say are medal contenders but it shows to some degree their levels of fitness again bearing in mind that the muscle work would bre entirely different. (I mean that that would have been largely because of their aerobic condition and their lactate thresholds)Imagine what they could run if they focussed on running. I'm not suggesting they should. Just letting some of the people who maybe don't understand walking see how fit these ATHLETES really are. Sean --- Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sean asked: > > > Would it be possible for the walkers on the list > to > > > post their 10k (running ) prs. Also their 1/2 > > > Marathon, and Marathon times. > > > Might open a few eyes. > > This is a silly request. How about we hear about > the walking times for > elite marathon and 10K runners? They are different > events, not to mention > the fact that if an athlete has chosen to focus on > walking, he/she will not > achive as much in running events and vice versa. > > If you don't like walking, ignore the posts on > walking. > > If you really think about it, the 75 meter dash is > the only pure track > event. That's about how long it takes to get up to > full speed. The only > other event that comes close would be a 24-hour run > - run as far as you can > in the most meaningful time period there is. > > All the other events are "artificial" to one degree > or another. Yes, there > are problems with the way walking is conducted, but > if there were easy > answers, the problems would be solved already. How > about we scrap the pole > vault and high jump because you can get credit for > clearing a height when > you hit the bar, it stays on and you don't actually > clear that high (happens > all the time)? Let's bag the sprints because there > is no uncontroversial > way to gauge whether someone is reacting or guessing > at the start. > > There are plenty of "stupid" events in track and > field besides walking, but > some of us fans love them all despite their > problems. > > - Ed Parrot > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: walkers 10k times
The request seem far from silly to me! It looks like most walkers are proud of their running times and have some impressive times at that! Mantis -Original Message- From: Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, December 23, 2000 4:08 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: walkers 10k times >> Sean asked: >> > Would it be possible for the walkers on the list to >> > post their 10k (running ) prs. Also their 1/2 >> > Marathon, and Marathon times. >> > Might open a few eyes. > >This is a silly request. How about we hear about the walking times for >elite marathon and 10K runners? They are different events, not to mention >the fact that if an athlete has chosen to focus on walking, he/she will not >achive as much in running events and vice versa. > >If you don't like walking, ignore the posts on walking. > >If you really think about it, the 75 meter dash is the only pure track >event. That's about how long it takes to get up to full speed. The only >other event that comes close would be a 24-hour run - run as far as you can >in the most meaningful time period there is. > >All the other events are "artificial" to one degree or another. Yes, there >are problems with the way walking is conducted, but if there were easy >answers, the problems would be solved already. How about we scrap the pole >vault and high jump because you can get credit for clearing a height when >you hit the bar, it stays on and you don't actually clear that high (happens >all the time)? Let's bag the sprints because there is no uncontroversial >way to gauge whether someone is reacting or guessing at the start. > >There are plenty of "stupid" events in track and field besides walking, but >some of us fans love them all despite their problems. > >- Ed Parrot >
Re: t-and-f: walkers 10k times
> Sean asked: > > Would it be possible for the walkers on the list to > > post their 10k (running ) prs. Also their 1/2 > > Marathon, and Marathon times. > > Might open a few eyes. This is a silly request. How about we hear about the walking times for elite marathon and 10K runners? They are different events, not to mention the fact that if an athlete has chosen to focus on walking, he/she will not achive as much in running events and vice versa. If you don't like walking, ignore the posts on walking. If you really think about it, the 75 meter dash is the only pure track event. That's about how long it takes to get up to full speed. The only other event that comes close would be a 24-hour run - run as far as you can in the most meaningful time period there is. All the other events are "artificial" to one degree or another. Yes, there are problems with the way walking is conducted, but if there were easy answers, the problems would be solved already. How about we scrap the pole vault and high jump because you can get credit for clearing a height when you hit the bar, it stays on and you don't actually clear that high (happens all the time)? Let's bag the sprints because there is no uncontroversial way to gauge whether someone is reacting or guessing at the start. There are plenty of "stupid" events in track and field besides walking, but some of us fans love them all despite their problems. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: walkers 10k times
Netters Sean asked: > Would it be possible for the walkers on the list to > post their 10k (running ) prs. Also their 1/2 > Marathon, and Marathon times. > Might open a few eyes. Michelle Rohl ran 4:20 1500 16:40 5k. lost to only Leah Pells her senior year at NAIA's. She ran 2:48 and 1:18 half. She won the Governor's Cup 25k in 1;33 something in SC. Ed Prytech can tell you more about that then I. The fastest woman marathoner/10k walker I have ever heard of was Alina Ivanova of Russia. She was the 91 world champ in 42 mins and this year ran 2:27 marathon. This is the first official announcement on this. Michelle will be running this year. Her focus will be 3k indoors and 10k outdoors. She will walk as she is qualified for both indoor and outdoors but her primary focus will be running in the 33 minute range. After this transition year she will go to running full time the year after. As for me I never ran in college track just walked. But during the 12 weeks each year I ran cross country I managed to get down to 27:30 for 8k cross country. Not great by any standard but then I never claimed to be a truly elite athlete. Some PR's of Guys I know. Ian Whatly 1:27 20k 4:15 50k 4:16 miler/15:30 5k Curt Clausen 1:23/3:48 50kHigh School mile 4:32 Ray Sharp (going back aways) 1:24 20k - 4:27 H.S. mile Mike Stauch 41:07 10k American College Record - 1:55 H.S. half miler Andrew Herman 3:57 50k also ran x-c for Willamatte - think his best 8k was 25:30 Problem is most of these guys spent college years walking rather then running and the cross over isn't real great. So the reason for knowing the H.S. Prs I was told once that the East German who finished Second at the 83 worlds was a former elite walker. Maybe Wayne of G.H. can confirm this story.
