Re: t-and-f: A little more on Marion's coach

2002-12-15 Thread Kurt Bray


Would suffocation ultimately lead to congestive heart failure, or is this a 
different story?


No.   Suffocation and congestive heart failure are completely different.  
Most people understand what suffocation is, but congestive heart failure is 
a chronic disease, usually in old people, wherein the heart gets weak for 
some reason and can no longer pump with enough vigor to keep the blood 
moving sufficiently well.  This insufficient circulation of the blood causes 
some of water in the blood to diffuse out of the vessels and pool in the 
tissues.  The usual symptom at that point is shortness of breath caused by 
fluid build-up around the lungs, interfering with lung function.   So in 
that sense I suppose it bears a superficial resemblance to suffocation.  The 
short-term treatment at that point is usually diuretics - get the kidneys to 
excrete the excess water that the heart is not handling.  Longer-term 
treatment often involves heart-stimulating drugs to get more effective 
action out fo the heart.

From what I remember the medical reports at the time, I don't think 
congestive heart failure played any role in FloJo's death.

Kurt Bray

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Re: t-and-f: A little more on Marion's coach

2002-12-15 Thread William Bahnfleth
Off the topic of the thread, but the article at the first link in Martin's 
message states:

Griffith-Joyner, who died four years ago of congestive heart failure at 
the age of 38, established the world best for both distances in 1988, 
running the 100 in 10.49, and the 200 in 21.34.

I thought the published cause of death was suffocation as a result of a 
seizure:

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/12/cov_04newsa.html

Orange County Sheriff's deputies began a homicide investigation into 
Joyner's death the day she died, the autopsy records reveal, because of 
preliminary evidence she may have been strangled. That investigation 
apparently ended when further tests showed Joyner, 38, died of 
asphyxiation as the result of an epileptic seizure, not strangulation.

Would suffocation ultimately lead to congestive heart failure, or is this a 
different story?

Bill Bahnfleth

At 06:36 AM 12/15/2002 -0500, Martin J. Dixon wrote:
"If the magnitude of Larsen's improvement is the true measure of
Hansen's potential impact, then the mysterious Canadian coach could be
exactly what Jones needs."

Here:

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id={AADF7243-1A98-474F-9766-19CF698CD1AB}

Go here and do a search on Hansen and you can get more stuff:

www.charliefrancis.com


Regards,


Martin





Re: t-and-f: A little more on Marion's coach

2002-12-15 Thread Martin J. Dixon
That story is there notwithstanding what it says when you hit that link.
NP makes it very difficult to send articles unless you use their email
function. Just go to their home page and hit sports and it is the first
item. Or try to get one of those funny looking close brackets on the end
which doesn't seem to go with the link.
Regards,
Martin

"Martin J. Dixon" wrote:
> 
> "If the magnitude of Larsen's improvement is the true measure of
> Hansen's potential impact, then the mysterious Canadian coach could be
> exactly what Jones needs."
> 
> Here:
> 
> 
>http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id={AADF7243-1A98-474F-9766-19CF698CD1AB}
> 
> Go here and do a search on Hansen and you can get more stuff:
> 
> www.charliefrancis.com
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Martin



t-and-f: A little more on Marion's coach

2002-12-15 Thread Martin J. Dixon
"If the magnitude of Larsen's improvement is the true measure of
Hansen's potential impact, then the mysterious Canadian coach could be
exactly what Jones needs."

Here:

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id={AADF7243-1A98-474F-9766-19CF698CD1AB}

Go here and do a search on Hansen and you can get more stuff:

www.charliefrancis.com


Regards,
 
 
Martin