Re: t-and-f: Depth of Talent
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Roger Ruth wrote: > USA has over six times the population of RSA (275,562,673 vs. 43,421,021). > Each of those Americans, on average, has nearly five times the annual > income of each South African ($33,900 vs. $6,900). > > Clearly, comparing the depth of RSA talent to that of USA in terms of total > number alone ignores some important differences in opportunity. But don't equate income with opportunity to run. I live with a South African marathoner. His stories of running in South Africa indicate a wealth of opportunities, especially due to heavy corporate involvement in sport which allows many runners to compete for company teams. Despite great poverty, many have the opportunity to compete. Regards, Paul *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Depth of Talent
Earlier today, David Monti posted, under this subject heading, what I thought to be an impressive list of South African 10k national championship times. Subsequently, Paul Talbot asked, "Is this really any deeper than the U.S. in the early 1980s?" I'm sure that someone else can answer Paul's question, which is an interesting one. "Depth of Talent," though, catches my own interest, since national depth has been a recurring topic in my postings. These have postulated that national depth in athletic success should be considered in relation to national population and per capita income, since these seem logically related to a country's athletic potential. USA has over six times the population of RSA (275,562,673 vs. 43,421,021). Each of those Americans, on average, has nearly five times the annual income of each South African ($33,900 vs. $6,900). Clearly, comparing the depth of RSA talent to that of USA in terms of total number alone ignores some important differences in opportunity. Cheers, Roger
Re: t-and-f: Depth of Talent
Is this really any deeper than the U.S. in the early 1980s? On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Monti wrote: > > Track Listers, > > While not attempting to play down the role of performance-enhancing drugs in > athletics, I sometimes think Westerners are out of touch with the depth of > talent in other parts of the world, especially Africa. As an example I > offer the results of the recent (07-Oct) South African championships over > 10-K on the roads, an event contested on a properly certified course. The > 45th finisher ran 29:38, similar to the results at last year's race when 46 > men broke 30 minutes. > > With the exception of the very top men, you should bear in mind that most of > these athletes are not professionals. I doubt most of you have heard of any > of the athletes outside the top-5. It is unlikely that they have access to > any decent medical care, let alone performance enhancing drugs. > > I recorded results from a similar race in Eldoret, Kenya last year where the > 30th runner (at 2000m of altitude) ran 29:42. > > The depth of talent in these two countries is staggering. > > Old Mutual South African 10-K Championships > Port Elizabeth, RSA; Saturday, October 7 > Distance: 10 km > > 1. Shadrack Hoff26 RSA 28:12 > 2. Gert Thys29 RSA 28:13 > 3. Moteshi Moetketsana 30 RSA 28:16 > 4. Josiah Benibe25 RSA 28:19 > 5. Enoch Skosana26 RSA 28:21 > 6. Johanned Kekana 28 RSA 28:22 > 7. Whaddon Niewoudt 30 RSA 28:23 > 8. George Mofokeng 21 RSA 28:24 > 9. Vincent Kutoana 21 RSA 28:31 > 10. Neo Molema 20 RSA 28:35 > 11. Sylvestor Moleko 30 RSA 28:38 > 12. Makhosonke Fika 28 RSA 28:39 > 13. Bethuel Netshifhefhe 27 RSA 28:40 > 14. Mluleki Nobanda 32 RSA 28:41 > 15. Lawrence Ntantiso24 RSA 28:42 > 16. Simon Morolong 25 RSA 28:43 > 17. Maxwell Zungu25 RSA 28:43 > 18. Whitey Modibe21 RSA 28:43 > 19. Aaron Gabonewe 23 RSA 28:45 > 20. Philip Molefe22 RSA 28:48 > 21. Simon Mpholo 25 RSA 28:52 > 22. David Davids 28 RSA 28:53 > 23. Simon Mayisela 27 RSA 28:55 > 24. Eric Biyase 23 RSA 28:57 > 25. Jubulani Mnguni 36 RSA 28:59 > 26. Enos Matalane21 RSA 29:02 > 27. Moses Lepheana 27 RSA 29:04 > 28. Graham Malinga 23 RSA 29:09 > 29. Teddy Hutamo 31 RSA 29:11 > 30. Jacob Mohlabane 27 RSA 29:12 > 31. Zandisile Tshunungwa 24 RSA 29:13 > 32. Richard Mavuso 22 RSA 29:17 > 33. Jacob Motsoeneng 26 RSA 29:20 > 34. Richard Mncwabe 23 RSA 29:21 > 35. Michael Mpotoane 30 RSA 29:24 > 36. Kays Kotosa 24 RSA 29:24 > 37. Maxwell Goodman 27 RSA 29:25 > 38. Bonisile Ngculana24 RSA 29:27 > 39. Samuel Sekompi 22 RSA 29:29 > 40. Simphiwe Ntantiso30 RSA 29:31 > 41. Elias Modise 25 RSA 29:35 > 42. Phillip Mothibedi24 RSA 29:36 > 43. David Radebe 27 RSA 29:36 > 44. Wayne Gallant26 RSA 29:36 > 45. Andries Jacksoon 20 RSA 29:38 > > David Monti, Editor and Publisher, Race Results Weekly > > Sponsored by: > > F I L A R U N N I N G / R U N N E R ' S W O R L D / S A L M I N I F I L M S > > P.O. Box 8233[EMAIL PROTECTED] > FDR Station +1 212-752-2666 > New York, NY 10150-8233 +1 212-752-2626 (fax) > USA +1 815-461-2285 (secondary fax) > http://www.RaceResultsWeekly.com > > *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Depth of Talent
Netters In response to David Monti's list - do we even have that many guys in the U.S? Also note only 7 are 30+ Next question - S.A. is so deep like this - a 10 second gap - why aren't they better in Cross?
t-and-f: Depth of Talent
Track Listers, While not attempting to play down the role of performance-enhancing drugs in athletics, I sometimes think Westerners are out of touch with the depth of talent in other parts of the world, especially Africa. As an example I offer the results of the recent (07-Oct) South African championships over 10-K on the roads, an event contested on a properly certified course. The 45th finisher ran 29:38, similar to the results at last year's race when 46 men broke 30 minutes. With the exception of the very top men, you should bear in mind that most of these athletes are not professionals. I doubt most of you have heard of any of the athletes outside the top-5. It is unlikely that they have access to any decent medical care, let alone performance enhancing drugs. I recorded results from a similar race in Eldoret, Kenya last year where the 30th runner (at 2000m of altitude) ran 29:42. The depth of talent in these two countries is staggering. Old Mutual South African 10-K Championships Port Elizabeth, RSA; Saturday, October 7 Distance: 10 km 1. Shadrack Hoff26 RSA 28:12 2. Gert Thys29 RSA 28:13 3. Moteshi Moetketsana 30 RSA 28:16 4. Josiah Benibe25 RSA 28:19 5. Enoch Skosana26 RSA 28:21 6. Johanned Kekana 28 RSA 28:22 7. Whaddon Niewoudt 30 RSA 28:23 8. George Mofokeng 21 RSA 28:24 9. Vincent Kutoana 21 RSA 28:31 10. Neo Molema 20 RSA 28:35 11. Sylvestor Moleko 30 RSA 28:38 12. Makhosonke Fika 28 RSA 28:39 13. Bethuel Netshifhefhe 27 RSA 28:40 14. Mluleki Nobanda 32 RSA 28:41 15. Lawrence Ntantiso24 RSA 28:42 16. Simon Morolong 25 RSA 28:43 17. Maxwell Zungu25 RSA 28:43 18. Whitey Modibe21 RSA 28:43 19. Aaron Gabonewe 23 RSA 28:45 20. Philip Molefe22 RSA 28:48 21. Simon Mpholo 25 RSA 28:52 22. David Davids 28 RSA 28:53 23. Simon Mayisela 27 RSA 28:55 24. Eric Biyase 23 RSA 28:57 25. Jubulani Mnguni 36 RSA 28:59 26. Enos Matalane21 RSA 29:02 27. Moses Lepheana 27 RSA 29:04 28. Graham Malinga 23 RSA 29:09 29. Teddy Hutamo 31 RSA 29:11 30. Jacob Mohlabane 27 RSA 29:12 31. Zandisile Tshunungwa 24 RSA 29:13 32. Richard Mavuso 22 RSA 29:17 33. Jacob Motsoeneng 26 RSA 29:20 34. Richard Mncwabe 23 RSA 29:21 35. Michael Mpotoane 30 RSA 29:24 36. Kays Kotosa 24 RSA 29:24 37. Maxwell Goodman 27 RSA 29:25 38. Bonisile Ngculana24 RSA 29:27 39. Samuel Sekompi 22 RSA 29:29 40. Simphiwe Ntantiso30 RSA 29:31 41. Elias Modise 25 RSA 29:35 42. Phillip Mothibedi24 RSA 29:36 43. David Radebe 27 RSA 29:36 44. Wayne Gallant26 RSA 29:36 45. Andries Jacksoon 20 RSA 29:38 David Monti, Editor and Publisher, Race Results Weekly Sponsored by: F I L A R U N N I N G / R U N N E R ' S W O R L D / S A L M I N I F I L M S P.O. Box 8233[EMAIL PROTECTED] FDR Station +1 212-752-2666 New York, NY 10150-8233 +1 212-752-2626 (fax) USA +1 815-461-2285 (secondary fax) http://www.RaceResultsWeekly.com
