Re: t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee
on 4/9/02 20:25, Bloomquist, Bret at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have a staff of five full-time employees trying to write, edit and produce > a six-page sports section seven days a week, 365 days a year. If you're > interested in this type of thing, you must have a college degree, be willing > to work 55 hour weeks, work on Christmas eve and Christmas day, and be > willing to start at $21,000 a year Compared with most British provincial papers you are overstaffed and overpaid! As for the rest, that's the lot of the journalist... if you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. But I suspect you do like the heat and you wouldn'tbe too happy if the presuure was eased. When I wrote about mistakes being made I meant obvious, unforgiveable mistakes, mistakes born of stupidity. Not the natural ones that can occur from time to time. I'll give you an instance. A friend of mine was sent by the Daily Mail to cover the Grand Prix in Brussels back in the 1980s. Amazingly it was the first time in a 15 year career of sports reporting that he'd been to a track and field meeting. "It's easy this athletics reporting, I've just got to watch out from Steve Cram and Kirsty Wade," he said. I told himn that track and field can leap up and bite you on the bum when you least expect it. Sure enough, first up was the steeplechase and Colin Reitz took one and a half seconds off the British record. I filled him in on Colin Reitz and assured him that one and a half seconds was an awful lot. Later I heard him filing copy (this was the days before laptops) and he said" :Colin Reitz sliced one and a half MINUTES from the British record." I tapped him on the shoulder to correct him and he said: "do you mind, I'm giving copy." So I left him alone and told him of his stupid mistake half an hour later. I hope his first edition hadn't gone but if someone in the future asked for cuttings from the Daily Mail library they might see that Reitz took one and a half minutes off the British record. That mistake was caused by the Sports editor and the reporter thinking that track and field is an easy sport to cover. Randall Northam
Re: t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee
on 4/9/02 11:11, Martin J. Dixon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No offense to the writers on this list but it seems like anytime I read a > newspaper article about which I am intimately familiar, the errors are > numerous. > It makes me wonder about the articles I read about which I know nothing. > Regards, > Martin Too true! I have exactly the same feeling about subjects I don't know about, and I'm a journalist, although strictly speaking an ex-journalist. At the risk of being a boring old fart, standards seem to have slipped alarmingly. I'm not talking about the specialised magazines here (although heaven knows...) but the papers. The problem is that sports editors will think that athletics needs to be covered. It isn't worth paying for a specialist so send that young kid. That young kid makes numerous errors (and I can think of several in the UK who fit this decsription) although eventually he or she starts to love the sport and the errors get fewer. But along comes another reporter, asks for the cuttings on Viren of whoever and there are those errors. They get recycled and recycled and eventually become truth. And that's not even touching on the fact that these days even journalists om reputable papers make up quotes to embellish their stories, or quote from the internet without checking, or use quotes from other sources without crediting the sources. My, you've got me started... I must lie down in a darkened room with a cold compress. Randall Northam ex editor of Athletics Today magazine, former athletics correspondent of the Daily Express et. etc. Now a struggling publisher.
Re: t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee
No offense to the writers on this list but it seems like anytime I read a newspaper article about which I am intimately familiar, the errors are numerous. It makes me wonder about the articles I read about which I know nothing. Regards, Martin Kurt Bray wrote: > >story also says blood-doping stories cropped up in '75 when in reality they > >had first been attached to Juha Vaatainen after his double at the Euros in > >'71, and were then attached to Viren in '72. > > Story also says that blood-doping was illegal, which it is now, but it > wasn't in 1972. Heck, '72 was the first Olympiad in which STEROIDS were > illegal, for crying out loud; blood-doping was not yet on the rule book > radar. > > Kurt Bray > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee
>story also says blood-doping stories cropped up in '75 when in reality they >had first been attached to Juha Vaatainen after his double at the Euros in >'71, and were then attached to Viren in '72. Story also says that blood-doping was illegal, which it is now, but it wasn't in 1972. Heck, '72 was the first Olympiad in which STEROIDS were illegal, for crying out loud; blood-doping was not yet on the rule book radar. Kurt Bray _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee
story also says blood-doping stories cropped up in '75 when in reality they had first been attached to Juha Vaatainen after his double at the Euros in '71, and were then attached to Viren in '72. gh > From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:55:47 -0400 > To: Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, T&FMail List > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee > > I shook my head at this statement. Couldn't believe I had forgotten it. > Turns out I hadn't. > Regards, > Martin > > "In the 1976 Olympics, Viren also finished fifth in the marathon, five > hours after his 5,000-meter win." > > Richard McCann wrote: > >> http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/4246803p-5268220c.html >> >> Richard McCann >> Coach, Golden Valley Harriers >> http://www.goldenvalleyharriers.org >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GVH/ >> PA USATF Club No. 38-0135 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> (530) 756-0626 > > -- > Regards, > > > Martin > > > Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Partner > Millard, Rouse & Rosebrugh LLP > Chartered Accountants > P.O. Box 367 > 96 Nelson Street > Brantford, Ontario > N3T 5N3 > Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 > Telephone: (519) 759-3511 > Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web site: www.millards.com > Practice Areas: www.millards.com/htm/profs/m_mjdixo.htm > > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for > the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution > or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a > criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email > confirmation to the sender. > > >
Re: t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee
I shook my head at this statement. Couldn't believe I had forgotten it. Turns out I hadn't. Regards, Martin "In the 1976 Olympics, Viren also finished fifth in the marathon, five hours after his 5,000-meter win." Richard McCann wrote: > http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/4246803p-5268220c.html > > Richard McCann > Coach, Golden Valley Harriers > http://www.goldenvalleyharriers.org > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GVH/ > PA USATF Club No. 38-0135 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (530) 756-0626 -- Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Partner Millard, Rouse & Rosebrugh LLP Chartered Accountants P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com Practice Areas: www.millards.com/htm/profs/m_mjdixo.htm IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender.
t-and-f: Interview with Lasse Viren in Sacto Bee
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/4246803p-5268220c.html Richard McCann Coach, Golden Valley Harriers http://www.goldenvalleyharriers.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GVH/ PA USATF Club No. 38-0135 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (530) 756-0626
