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If I recall, Yegorova tested positive on her A sample, but was reinstated because there were problems with the B sample. Interestingly enough, if Yegorova was American, her name never would have disclosed to the public, based on current USADA procedures, and she would have been allowed to compete at the World Championships untainted by scandal. From what I've read, she wasn't double positive due to technicality. Under USADA guidelines, only in the case of a double positive is there need for a review board recommendation, and if suspension is recommended then the athlete is entitled to an abitration hearing. Only after the hearing is the name made public if the suspension is upheld. Yegorova had only an A positive, yet her name was dragged through the mud at the World Championships. Sounds like she has good grounds for a law suit if she was American. I don't condone cheating, and now that I think I understand the USADA process, I believe it is the correct course of action for the US. However, there seems to be a double standard in the US, i.e. Yegorova is Russian so she must be guilty even though it is clear she was not afforded her due process under USADA guidelines. If the Yegorova situation happened to an American star, let's say Regina Jacobs or Maurice Greene, then this would all be a moot point because none of us would know. Only the IAAF (because they did the original testing), USATF, USADA and the athlete would know that the A test was positive and rightfully so because the B test was thrown out. Food for thought... John Sun --- Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yegorova not 'family friendly' enough for French event Agence France-Presse LIEVEN, France (February 21, 2002 02:12 PM EST) - The controversial Russian distance runner Olga Yegorova has not been invited to run in Sunday's indoor athletics meeting because she failed to meet the organizers' family-friendly criteria. Yegorova was banned last year after testing positive for the banned endurance-boosting substance EPO, but was reinstated on a technicality and went on to win the world 5,000-meter outdoor title in Edmonton, Canada. But Gerard Fremaux, the organizer of the Lieven meeting - one of the leading indoor events - said Thursday he was not prepared to let athletes who had been involved in doping take part in his event. Yegorova was on a list of around 25 athletes submitted to me by her manager for inclusion in the meeting, said Fremaux. I chose around five athletes and Yegorova was not one of them. We want a meeting that will be educational and there will be a lot of children here, so I don't want athletes who have had doping problems. Yegorova was beaten into second place by Ethiopia's Berhane Adere in her first race of the year in Stuttgart earlier this month, as the Ethiopian set a new 3,000 indoor world record of 8 minutes, 29.15 seconds. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Now if more people had balls like these, esp in MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc
Yegorova had only an A positive, yet her name was dragged through the mud at the World Championships. Sounds like she has good grounds for a law suit if she was American. Why? The World Championships were in Canada. Cases are usually filed in the jurisdiction where an alleged offense has occured. I doubt Americans have any better standing in Canadian courts than would a Russian. I don't condone cheating, and now that I think I understand the USADA process, I believe it is the correct course of action for the US. However, there seems to be a double standard in the US, i.e. Yegorova is Russian so she must be guilty even though it is clear she was not afforded her due process under USADA guidelines. Where are you hearing this? It was the Brits who were burning Yeg at the stake- especially a certain Brit female who threatened to skip the Edmonton final over the presence of Yeg. And it is a European meet promoter this week who chose not to 'offer her an invitation'. I don't recall anything about Americans involved in any aspect of the Yeg case or any follow-up implications. I DO agree, by the way, that what's happening to her is a good argument FOR the American policy of non-disclosure to the public until the case is well advanced. The European promoter is acting purely on personal bias and politically correct spin. Sets a horrible precedent. That said, I have absolutely no idea whether Yeg is guilty as can be, or innocent as a babe in the woods. (where did that saying come from anyway?) By the way, given that the circumstances of her case [as reported third- or fourth-hand by the news media] seem far more suspicious than any alleged American case recently, I'm sure the renowned Canadian IOC member will stop trashing the Americans and move his focus to the Russians. Uh-huh, right. RT
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John Sun Wrote: Yegorova had only an A positive Do I recall this incorrectly? I thought Yeg (nice nickname RT) failed the urine test (A B) but was re-instated partly because the test is new and not yet completely vetted for use, and partly because a concurrent blood test was not performed to confirm high hematocrit (as was required by IAAF). In Edmonton, her crit was high, but she passed the urine test. I find it a fascinating indicator of how American laws make us more free than almost any other place, but at the same time we are constrained so strictly by those same laws. Under US law, Yeg is innocent, and as such could probably not be banned from a meet as she was in France. US citizens are more protected by law on the one hand, but more restricted on the other. Cheers, Buck Jones
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Where are you hearing this? It was the Brits who were burning Yeg at the stake- especially a certain Brit female who threatened to skip the Edmonton final over the presence of Yeg. Just look at the subject line to the original post. Due to the media , I think most people (including myself) believed she was a cheat even though she was eventually cleared. However, after learning more about the USADA process recently, I'm trying to look at her situation in a different light. I don't recall anything about Americans involved in any aspect of the Yeg case or any follow-up implications. My apologies. I didn't mean to imply any American involvement in the Yeg case. I just wanted to make a point that if she was American then she would have gone through the USADA process, and her identity never would have been released (I readily admit to not knowing the full details of why she got off). More importantly, she would have went to Edmonton as the hot favorite, probably would have had a NBC up close and personal done on her, and won the gold with no cloud over her head. And none of us who have known about her positive test. In this light, you can argue that Yegorova got royally screwed by the IAAF because her name was dragged through the mud, and she wasn't afforded the due process that US athletes receive from USADA and our laws. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
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In a message dated Fri, 22 Feb 2002 8:40:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, Buck Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Sun Wrote: Yegorova had only an A positive Do I recall this incorrectly? I thought Yeg (nice nickname RT) failed the urine test (A B) but was re-instated partly because the test is new and not yet completely vetted for use She was reinstated originally because the French, in their haste, used a blood test which the IAAF didn't recognize as grounds. But it is true that the B sample of urine didn't confirm the A (although there were dark mumblings about manipulated samples). That crucial fact got lost in all the media hoo-ha. Perhaps she was just lucky, but she passed all required tests, and as such, should be free to run whenever and wherever. Just as OJ is free to walk the streets. If you believe in your justice system, then you've got to live with its verdicts, flawed as they may seem. gh
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Slightly off topic (which may well be a good thing), but anyone else find the Korean speed skating delegation's argument amusing? You know, the one about their skater getting disqualified for a rules infraction and how the winner should be decided on the ice. If I'm not mistaken, it was in Korea that Carl Lewis won Olympic gold by finishing 2nd... Rules are rules, whether or not we agree with them. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
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--- Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slightly off topic (which may well be a good thing), but anyone else find the Korean speed skating delegation's argument amusing? You know, the one about their skater getting disqualified for a rules infraction and how the winner should be decided on the ice. If I'm not mistaken, it was in Korea that Carl Lewis won Olympic gold by finishing 2nd... Rules are rules, whether or not we agree with them. It's also ironic that in those same Seoul Oympics an American boxer (whose name escapes me but recently was mentioned again during the pairs figure skating fiasco) was denied a gold medal even though it was said he clearly defeated the South Korean boxer in the final. Maybe it was karmic retribution that the speed skater was DQed. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
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In a message dated Fri, 22 Feb 2002 4:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, John Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slightly off topic (which may well be a good thing), but anyone else find the Korean speed skating delegation's argument amusing? You know, the one about their skater getting disqualified for a rules infraction and how the winner should be decided on the ice. If I'm not mistaken, it was in Korea that Carl Lewis won Olympic gold by finishing 2nd... Rules are rules, whether or not we agree with them. It's also ironic that in those same Seoul Oympics an American boxer (whose name escapes me but recently was mentioned again during the pairs figure skating fiasco) was denied a gold medal even though it was said he clearly defeated the South Korean boxer in the final. Maybe it was karmic retribution that the speed skater was DQed. John It was Roy Jones Jr.
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It's also ironic that in those same Seoul Oympics an American boxer (whose name escapes me but recently was mentioned again during the pairs figure skating fiasco) was denied a gold medal even though it was said he clearly defeated the South Korean boxer in the final. Maybe it was karmic retribution that the speed skater was DQed. His name was Roy Jones. I attend the games in Seoul in '88 and got to witness that bout in person - and a bigger hometown robbery I never did see. Roy beat his opponent like a drum for the three full rounds only to somehow be declared the loser. It wasn't even close. If I'd been the Korean boxer I'd have been ashamed to accept the medal. The first hint I got that the fix was in was shortly after the third round when I noticed Korean journalists scurrying around and looking over the shoulders of the judges as they marked their score cards and then ran away literally jumping for joy. The memory of that is one reason why I find the current Korean officials indignation over Olympic judging rather amusing. Kurt Bray _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
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Yegorova not 'family friendly' enough for French event Agence France-Presse LIEVEN, France (February 21, 2002 02:12 PM EST) - The controversial Russian distance runner Olga Yegorova has not been invited to run in Sunday's indoor athletics meeting because she failed to meet the organizers' family-friendly criteria. Yegorova was banned last year after testing positive for the banned endurance-boosting substance EPO, but was reinstated on a technicality and went on to win the world 5,000-meter outdoor title in Edmonton, Canada. But Gerard Fremaux, the organizer of the Lieven meeting - one of the leading indoor events - said Thursday he was not prepared to let athletes who had been involved in doping take part in his event. Yegorova was on a list of around 25 athletes submitted to me by her manager for inclusion in the meeting, said Fremaux. I chose around five athletes and Yegorova was not one of them. We want a meeting that will be educational and there will be a lot of children here, so I don't want athletes who have had doping problems. Yegorova was beaten into second place by Ethiopia's Berhane Adere in her first race of the year in Stuttgart earlier this month, as the Ethiopian set a new 3,000 indoor world record of 8 minutes, 29.15 seconds.
