RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-20 Thread Mike Casey

Hi Ryan,

Yes you walk around all day at what pace??? Running is easy to. It all
depends how hard you go. You said that when swimming breast stroke one is
still going flat out. Thats correct you're going flat out within the
"constraints" of doing the breast stroke. Not as fast as the freestyle. Same
for race walking, one is going flat out within the constraints of race
walking. There comes a point when you cant go any faster without breaking
into a run or the freestyle.You ask about the time walkers do for 5K. And
then seem to suggest that its easy. Try it some time.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Grote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 January 2001 17:50
To: Mike Casey; Alexander, Sam [OCDUS non J&J]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo


No wrong.  World Class Racewalker does what for 5k? 17-18 mins??  For a
MAN.  Take swimming, difference between the fastest stroke freestyle and
slowest stroke breastroke is not that extreme.  When swimming breaststroke
one is still going all-out, pushing to the max.  I walk around all day, its
easy.
Grote
adiRP

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To: Alexander, Sam [OCDUS non J&J] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Ryan Grote'
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 2:06 AM
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo


> Hi Sam,
>
> I think the penny might be starting to drop. Namely that each event has a
> specific set of goals and specific rules. High jumping does as you so
> rightly said " test the ability to jump high",but within specific rules
that
> constrain the athlete. Freestyle swimming would be the fastest stroke
> generally and it also tests agility so why bother with the constraints of
> the other strokes? Let me suggest an answer...because it might test a
> different set of speed/ skill/agility/motions etc. And this applies also
to
> hurdles, steeple, throwing, putting, jumping, running, and walking.
>
> Regards Mike
> -Original Message-
> From: Alexander, Sam [OCDUS non J&J] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 January 2001 19:07
> To: 'Ryan Grote'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo
>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
> Hurdles/steeple test agility and speed in as simple a manner as possbile,
> rather than using an obstacle course.  High jumping tests the ability to
> jump high, therefore, you can't use a pole - thought that was obvious.
>
> As for swimming...i swam 2 years in high school and i sucked.  But, i must
> admit that you kind of have a point, though it's borderline because
swimming
> as a whole (all 4 strokes combined) is intended to test
agility/coordination
> as well as speed.  Oops, turns out you DON'T have a point.
>
> Later, Sam
> adiRP
>
> -Original Message-
> From:   Ryan Grote [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent:   Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:26 PM
> To: Alexander, Sam [OCDUS non J&J]
> Subject:Fw: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo
>
> Here's another one, fuckin' idiots!!!   Racewalking is NOT like
> other swimming strokes at all, because with each stroke you use different
> muscles and still perform at the highest/hardest level.  Goddamnit
fuckers.
> Its not like high jumping with a pole, because that isn't jumping.  Like
you
> said, how about a walk jump.
>
> Grote
> adiRP
>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:40 AM
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> You wrote:
>
> .  "All these things are silly, and not the best means to achieving the
goal
> of the pursuit or event."
>
> I say,
>
> Ok I take your point. So let's remove the hurdles, let's allow high
jumpers
> use a pole, remove the steeple barriers, remove the restrictions in the
> throwing events, and further afield let's do away with all swimming
strokes
> bar the freestyle, let's remove the rule about bouncing the basketball
(how
> silly can you get? surely the goal would be best served by letting the
> player just carry the ball under his/her arm).
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
>
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>  <ma

Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-20 Thread sean other

In gaelic foorball you have to bounce the ball as
well.


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1/18/01 4:52:41 AM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >let’s remove the rule about bouncing the
> basketball (how
> >silly can you get? surely the goal would be best
> served by letting the
> >player just carry the ball under his/her arm).
> 
> Wouldn't that be Gaelic football then?
> 
> Jim Gerweck
> Running Times


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Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread Dgs1170
The examples you bring up Justin are unfair to the walks, and to the judges 
that have to administer the rules.
Like referee's you can only call what you see, and all else is part of the 
game.  Even in track, the absolute does not guarantee compliance.  Toe fouls 
in all field events are a common topic of debate.  The marking of landing 
points in the sand, i.e., Robert Howard.
I mean, I still question the "Volzing" rule.  I think it is over kill.  The 
same way I question the limit on reaction times.  While based on some 
empirical information, they are still arbitrary limits, and rules.
I do not profess to be a fan of walks, or to find them exciting, but to make 
it look as if they are some kind of aberration in the sport, is false 
representation.  It is another event with another set rules, just like other 
events in track and field.

The G.O.A.T.


RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread Justin Clouder


Hi All

I disagree. False starts are measured by sensitive equipment, every single
throw is watched closely by several judges watching for specific infractions
of the rules, following every jump a strip of plasticine is scrutinised very
closely by a judge. The criteria ARE closely adhered to.

By comparison, the enforcement of race walking rules appears to be a
complete lottery. Video quite clearly shows regular lifting by walkers. To
argue that it's only a rule breach if the official sees it is absurd - this
makes enforcement random, with the predictably farcical results we saw in
Sydney.

Personally I enjoy all t&f events, albeit to varying degrees, and I wholly
support walking as a t&f event. Those making gratuitous and insulting
comments based on merely their own preferences are way out of line. However,
I simply cannot take seriously an event which so totally fails to police
itself, resulting in arbitrary results and confusion every single time I see
a competition.

This is not to detract from the participants, for whom I have nothing but
admiration. RK's 20k and 50k double was just an awesome achievement. However
I do wish that walking's supporters on this list would be more constructive
in addressing the legitimate concerns many of us have regarding the event,
rather than taking every comment as a personal affront deserving of merely
insult and contempt.

10 years ago Dennis Mitchell's un-called false start at the 91 World's led
to a change in the rules following a long debate. The farce of the events in
Sydney should have the same effect here. Many of us would like to engage in
such a debate, but are shouted down by extremists on both sides.

Justin

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> 
> In a message dated 1/18/01 6:59:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   unless you knock down too many hurdles; then you're a DNF or DQ 
> 
> 
> 
> You can knock down every hurdle, as long as your hands do not touch it.
> Nice 
> try, but this is not true. 
> To stray into this exercises of hypocrisy, you cannot hate the walks
> because 
> of its demands and love the hammer, shot put, discus, or weight throw.
> Each 
> one of these disciplines has a given set of criteria that must be adhered
> to, 
> in order to compete. 
> If, you want to talk about the walks and their disqualification rules,
> then 
> we may as well eliminate false starts, and fouls in the jumps.  Let's time
> 
> the actual 100 m sans reaction times, and measure actual jumps from
> wherever 
> the jumper left the ground. 
> 
> DGS 
> 
> The G.O.A.T.
> 


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Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread Dgs1170
In a message dated 1/18/01 6:59:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


unless you knock down too many hurdles; then you're a DNF or DQ

You can knock down every hurdle, as long as your hands do not touch it.  Nice 
try, but this is not true.
To stray into this exercises of hypocrisy, you cannot hate the walks because 
of its demands and love the hammer, shot put, discus, or weight throw.  Each 
one of these disciplines has a given set of criteria that must be adhered to, 
in order to compete.
If, you want to talk about the walks and their disqualification rules, then 
we may as well eliminate false starts, and fouls in the jumps.  Let's time 
the actual 100 m sans reaction times, and measure actual jumps from wherever 
the jumper left the ground.

DGS

The G.O.A.T.


Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread GHTFNedit

In a message dated Wed, 17 Jan 2001  9:56:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I suppose when dealing with the same  intellectual and emotional mind sets that 
produced such lovely concepts as racism, bigotry, anti semitism, sexual 
discrimination, religious persecution  and any number genocides in history then I 
suppose facts don't really matter. >>

It's only January, and I think we already have a mortal lock on the yearly 
hyerbolic-post award. Tossing some smack at a track & field event is now the 
equivalent of racism, religious persecution and any number of genocides?!!!

I was never much of a debater, but I don't think you're going to win many converts to 
your side with off-the-wall statements like that.

gh



Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread JimRTimes


In a message dated 1/18/01 4:52:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>let’s remove the rule about bouncing the basketball (how
>silly can you get? surely the goal would be best served by letting the
>player just carry the ball under his/her arm).

Wouldn't that be Gaelic football then?

Jim Gerweck
Running Times



Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread JimRTimes


In a message dated 1/17/01 8:21:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>you can hurdle
>as fast as you possibly can and you are still a hurdler.

unless you knock down too many hurdles; then you're a DNF or DQ

Jim Gerweck
Running Times



RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread Michael Casey

Kurt,
I concur.

By the way do all those runners not realise that they've got where they want
to go after one lap???

Mike

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kurt Bray
Sent: 17 January 2001 22:32
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

Grote wrote:

>Right.  Because that would be about running...moving as fast as possible
>over a given distance.  The spikes and blocks would help reach that goal.
>I wouldn't know too much, as I've never run out of blocks, and all of my
>PR's from 3000m-1m are in road racing flats.  However, the idea in any
>running event is to move as fast as possible.  Running is the fastest way
>for humans to move, since we cannot fly.  If we could, different story.  I
>don't run track any more, I'm too slow.  However, the point of going in
>circles is also to move the fastest, that is the track is the most even,
>best surface, etc.  In road races, the same concept applies, cover the
>distance as fast as possible, at least that is my idea.


If track is purely about covering the distance the fastest then you better
get rid of the hurdles and the steeple.  All those barriers in the way
prevent the athletes from getting to the finish line as fast as possible.
And we wouldn't want that, would we?

But wait a minute, maybe we could revise our thinking and consider the
hurdles a fundamentally DIFFERENT EVENT from the sprints and not worry about
direct comparisons.

And come to think of it, if we really wanted an intellectual challenge, we
could do that with the walks too; we could consider them as events unto
themselves rather than slow versions of the running races.  Nah...better not
- that would be thinking too far outside the box.  It's easier just to mock
these other events - the same way Joe Sixpack mocks the entire sport of
track and field.  It's always cool to mock what you have no appreciation
for.

Kurt Bray

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RE: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-18 Thread Michael Casey









Hi Ryan,

 

You wrote:

 

.  “All
these things are silly, and not the best means to achieving the goal of the
pursuit or event.”

 

I say,

 

Ok I
take your point. So let’s remove the hurdles, let’s allow high jumpers use a
pole, remove the steeple barriers, remove the restrictions in the throwing
events, and further afield let’s do away with all swimming strokes bar the
freestyle, let’s remove the rule about bouncing the basketball (how silly can
you get? surely the goal would be best served by letting the player just carry
the ball under his/her arm). 

 

Regards

 

Mike

 

 

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Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ryan Grote
Sent: 17 January 2001 14:57
To: Mike Casey; T&F List
Cc: Alexander, Sam [OCDUS non
J&J]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meloro, James
Subject: t-and-f: Racewalking
MumboJumbo

 

Right. 
Because that would be about running...moving as fast as possible over a given
distance.  The spikes and blocks would help reach that goal.  I
wouldn't know too much, as I've never run out of blocks, and all of my PR's
from 3000m-1m are in road racing flats.  However, the idea in any
running event is to move as fast as possible.  Running is the fastest way
for humans to move, since we cannot fly.  If we could, different
story.  I don't run track any more, I'm too slow.  However, the point
of going in circles is also to move the fastest, that is the track is the most
even, best surface, etc.  In road races, the same concept applies, cover
the distance as fast as possible, at least that is my idea.  Some may do
it for the cash.  

 

Racewalking
is like racing airplanes on the ground by taxiing them on a runway.  Or
like auto racing while never shifting out of 2nd gear.  Or like having sex
with your clothes.  Or like playing basketball with a football.  All
these things are silly, and not the best means to achieving the goal of the
pursuit or event.  

 

Grote

adiRP

 

 



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From: Mike
Casey 



To: Ryan
Grote 

Sent: Tuesday, January 16,
2001 10:43 PM

Subject: RE:
t-and-f: RK's Season

 

Hi Ryan,

You
wrote::

 

"racewalking
is a bit contrived at the very least"

 

and
running in circles, or crouching down and placing your feet in blocks, and
wearing shoes with spikes in them isn't.?

 

Mike

 

 





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Message-
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Sent: 17 January 2001 17:48
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: RK's Season

I
dunno...long time no post.  Have not even looked at these ratings or read
everybody's rants about them, but regarding the RK fella, one big difference
with him and Zatopek is that Zatopek RAN.  Running is running, racewalking
is a bit contrived at the very least.  So, I say do the apples to apples
thing, in which case there are lots of 18-19 minute 5k folks (men and women)
who are not world ranked, so the RK fella should be thankful.  

Grote

adiRP

 





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Subject:
t-and-f: RK's Season

 

Netters 

below is RK's season record I think I had seen two other races not listed here
but what you have is 11 wins 12 losses over 5, 10, 20 and 50k. his only loss
was to two russians at 10k one of whom was last years world champ the other was
in the top 5 at the games. It is especially note worthy that RK was considered
a 50k specialist before this year. In any case it's a great year for any
athlete. Remember too that no one ever thought anyone would win the 20&50
in one Olympics. On like MJ's double which required considerable changes to the
schedule RK did his on the normal schedule. It was akin to Zatopek's feet. 


Feb 13 POL Ch. Spala 5000m 1st 19:00.53

Feb 19 FRA Ch. Liévin 5000m 1st 18:53.71

Mar 5 Ponte de Sôr 50km 1st 3:41:50

May 7 Villeneuve d'Ascq 5000m 1st 19:16.30

Jun 3 Kraków 10km 3rd 38:48
(1 Ilya Markov 38:42, 2 Vladimir Andreyev 38:47)

Jun 10 Spala 5000m 1st 18:48.92

Jul 17 Eur Cup Eisenhüttenstadt 20km 1st 18:18.29

Jun 24 Warsaw 5000m 1st 19:02.88

Jul 9 Hildesheim 20km 1st 1:18:22

Aug 5 POL Ch Kraków 20km 1st 1:20:52

Sep 22 OG Sydney 20km 1st 1:18:59

Sep 29 OGSydney 50km 1st 3:42:22










Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-17 Thread mmrohl


netters

Ed Prytherch wrote:
> But if you racewalk as fast as you can, you turn into a runner.

This is not true at all but then I suppose when dealing with the same 
intellectual and emotional mind sets that produced such lovely concepts 
as racism, bigotry, anti semitism, sexual discrimination, religious 
persecution  and any number genocides in history then I suppose facts 
don't really matter.  And I suppose someone will say its not the same at 
all.




Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-17 Thread mmrohl


Netters

Kurt wrote:

> But wait a minute, maybe we could revise our thinking and consider the 
> hurdles a fundamentally DIFFERENT EVENT from the sprints and not worry about 
> direct comparisons.
> And come to think of it, if we really wanted an intellectual challenge, we 
> could do that with the walks too; we could consider them as events unto 
> themselves rather than slow versions of the running races.  Nah...better not 
> - that would be thinking too far outside the box.  It's easier just to mock 
> these other events - the same way Joe Sixpack mocks the entire sport of 
> track and field.  It's always cool to mock what you have no appreciation 
> for.

oh but for those few voices of reason the world would be a lonely place 
at best.



Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-17 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot

- Original Message -
From: ed prytherch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Kurt Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo


> Kurt:
> The big difference between hurdling and racewalking is that you can hurdle
> as fast as you possibly can and you are still a hurdler. But if you
racewalk
> as fast as you can, you turn into a runner.
> Ed Prytherch


Not true at all.  If you Race Walk as fast as you can you turn into a good
Race Walker.

If you stop Race walking and start running, THEN you turn into a runner.

- ed Parrot
(not currently a good Race Walker)




Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-17 Thread ed prytherch

Kurt:
The big difference between hurdling and racewalking is that you can hurdle
as fast as you possibly can and you are still a hurdler. But if you racewalk
as fast as you can, you turn into a runner.
Ed Prytherch
-Original Message-
From: Kurt Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo


>Grote wrote:
>
>>Right.  Because that would be about running...moving as fast as possible
>>over a given distance.  The spikes and blocks would help reach that goal.
>>I wouldn't know too much, as I've never run out of blocks, and all of my
>>PR's from 3000m-1m are in road racing flats.  However, the idea in any
>>running event is to move as fast as possible.  Running is the fastest way
>>for humans to move, since we cannot fly.  If we could, different story.  I
>>don't run track any more, I'm too slow.  However, the point of going in
>>circles is also to move the fastest, that is the track is the most even,
>>best surface, etc.  In road races, the same concept applies, cover the
>>distance as fast as possible, at least that is my idea.
>
>
>If track is purely about covering the distance the fastest then you better
>get rid of the hurdles and the steeple.  All those barriers in the way
>prevent the athletes from getting to the finish line as fast as possible.
>And we wouldn't want that, would we?
>
>But wait a minute, maybe we could revise our thinking and consider the
>hurdles a fundamentally DIFFERENT EVENT from the sprints and not worry
about
>direct comparisons.
>
>And come to think of it, if we really wanted an intellectual challenge, we
>could do that with the walks too; we could consider them as events unto
>themselves rather than slow versions of the running races.  Nah...better
not
>- that would be thinking too far outside the box.  It's easier just to mock
>these other events - the same way Joe Sixpack mocks the entire sport of
>track and field.  It's always cool to mock what you have no appreciation
>for.
>
>Kurt Bray
>
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Re: t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-17 Thread Kurt Bray

Grote wrote:

>Right.  Because that would be about running...moving as fast as possible 
>over a given distance.  The spikes and blocks would help reach that goal.  
>I wouldn't know too much, as I've never run out of blocks, and all of my 
>PR's from 3000m-1m are in road racing flats.  However, the idea in any 
>running event is to move as fast as possible.  Running is the fastest way 
>for humans to move, since we cannot fly.  If we could, different story.  I 
>don't run track any more, I'm too slow.  However, the point of going in 
>circles is also to move the fastest, that is the track is the most even, 
>best surface, etc.  In road races, the same concept applies, cover the 
>distance as fast as possible, at least that is my idea.


If track is purely about covering the distance the fastest then you better 
get rid of the hurdles and the steeple.  All those barriers in the way 
prevent the athletes from getting to the finish line as fast as possible.  
And we wouldn't want that, would we?

But wait a minute, maybe we could revise our thinking and consider the 
hurdles a fundamentally DIFFERENT EVENT from the sprints and not worry about 
direct comparisons.

And come to think of it, if we really wanted an intellectual challenge, we 
could do that with the walks too; we could consider them as events unto 
themselves rather than slow versions of the running races.  Nah...better not 
- that would be thinking too far outside the box.  It's easier just to mock 
these other events - the same way Joe Sixpack mocks the entire sport of 
track and field.  It's always cool to mock what you have no appreciation 
for.

Kurt Bray

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t-and-f: Racewalking MumboJumbo

2001-01-17 Thread Ryan Grote



Right.  Because that would be about 
running...moving as fast as possible over a given distance.  The spikes and 
blocks would help reach that goal.  I wouldn't know too much, as I've never 
run out of blocks, and all of my PR's from 3000m-1m are in road racing 
flats.  However, the idea in any running event is to move as fast as 
possible.  Running is the fastest way for humans to move, since we cannot 
fly.  If we could, different story.  I don't run track any more, I'm 
too slow.  However, the point of going in circles is also to move the 
fastest, that is the track is the most even, best surface, etc.  In road 
races, the same concept applies, cover the distance as fast as possible, at 
least that is my idea.  Some may do it for the cash.  
 
Racewalking is like racing airplanes on the ground 
by taxiing them on a runway.  Or like auto racing while never shifting out 
of 2nd gear.  Or like having sex with your clothes.  Or like playing 
basketball with a football.  All these things are silly, and not the best 
means to achieving the goal of the pursuit or event.  
 
Grote
adiRP
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike 
  Casey 
  To: Ryan 
  Grote 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:43 
  PM
  Subject: RE: t-and-f: RK's Season
  
  Hi 
  Ryan,
  You 
  wrote::
   
  "racewalking is a bit contrived at the very 
  least"
   
  and 
  running in circles, or crouching down and placing your feet in blocks, and 
  wearing shoes with spikes in them isn't.?
   
  Mike
   
   
  
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Behalf Of Ryan GroteSent: 17 January 2001 17:48To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
t-and-f: RK's Season
I dunno...long time no post.  Have not 
even looked at these ratings or read everybody's rants about them, but 
regarding the RK fella, one big difference with him and Zatopek is that 
Zatopek RAN.  Running is running, racewalking is a bit contrived at the 
very least.  So, I say do the apples to apples thing, in which case 
there are lots of 18-19 minute 5k folks (men and women) who are not world 
ranked, so the RK fella should be thankful.  
Grote
adiRP
 

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  Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 
  3:15 AM
  Subject: t-and-f: RK's Season
  Netters below is RK's season record I think I had 
  seen two other races not listed here but what you have is 11 wins 12 
  losses over 5, 10, 20 and 50k. his only loss was to two russians at 10k 
  one of whom was last years world champ the other was in the top 5 at the 
  games. It is especially note worthy that RK was considered a 50k 
  specialist before this year. In any case it's a great year for any 
  athlete. Remember too that no one ever thought anyone would win the 
  20&50 in one Olympics. On like MJ's double which required considerable 
  changes to the schedule RK did his on the normal schedule. It was akin to 
  Zatopek's feet. Feb 13 POL Ch. Spala 5000m 1st 
  19:00.53Feb 19 FRA Ch. Liévin 5000m 1st 18:53.71Mar 5 
  Ponte de Sôr 50km 1st 3:41:50May 7 Villeneuve d'Ascq 5000m 1st 
  19:16.30Jun 3 Kraków 10km 3rd 38:48(1 Ilya Markov 38:42, 2 
  Vladimir Andreyev 38:47)Jun 10 Spala 5000m 1st 18:48.92Jul 
  17 Eur Cup Eisenhüttenstadt 20km 1st 18:18.29Jun 24 Warsaw 5000m 
  1st 19:02.88Jul 9 Hildesheim 20km 1st 1:18:22Aug 5 POL Ch 
  Kraków 20km 1st 1:20:52Sep 22 OG Sydney 20km 1st 
  1:18:59Sep 29 OGSydney 50km 1st 
  3:42:22