Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe's marathon pacing slammed by IAAF

2003-03-10 Thread Kurt Bray
They clearly have too much time on their hands. I wonder if he is going to 
talk
to her like a father too.
Sure, why not?  Talking to Marion Jones like a father apparently worked.  
;-)

Kurt Bray

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Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe's marathon pacing slammed by IAAF

2003-03-10 Thread Martin J. Dixon
No comment on his second point? This is kind of interesting. I wonder if the
IAAF will be in touch?

"She was paced to victory in the Women’s 800m in 2:01.81 – within 0.56sec of her
lifetime best – by Commonwealth Games Men’s 1500m Champion Michael EAST "

http://www.ukathletics.net/vsite/vcontent/content/news/0,10869,4854-130891-132199-20273-85128-news-item,00.html

Regards,
Martin
"Post, Marty" wrote:

> The difference here -- how "much" might be open to debate -- is that because
> the women's elite race begins before the rest, the male pacers are not part
> of either race. They can't win or be eligible for prize money for a top
> place in neither the women's nor the men's race.
>
> What if on the eve of the London Marathon two of Radcliffe's designated
> pacers indicate they are sick or slightly injured and not sure they can
> maintain the required pace for the full distance? If Bedford decides to just
> change it to a team of relay pacers (i.e. one does 1st half, the next one
> goes to 30km and fourth pacer starts there and goes to the finish) would
> this be "legal" in their eyes?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wilmar Kortleever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:21 AM
> Cc: Post, Marty; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe's marathon pacing slammed by IAAF
>
> "Post, Marty" schreef:
>
> > >From the The Guardian Unlimited on-line:
> >
> > "If Paula Radcliffe sets a world record using male pacemakers in the
> London
> > Marathon next month it will almost certainly not be officially recognised,
> a
> > senior figure in the sport's governing body warned last night.
> > Istvan Gyulai, secretary of the International Association of Athletics
> > Federations, also criticised Radcliffe for agreeing to the plan and
> claimed
> > it was damaging her image around the world."
> >
> > http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,909986,00.html
>
> LS
> I agree the London plan sound strange, but this reaction I do not understand
> either. There is not much of a difference between the proposed London pacing
> and
> the pacemaking in numerous other marathons with a mixed start.
>
> Also, on a different not, where is this 'damaging for the image of the
> athlete'
> remark (first Jones, now Radcliffe) suddenly coming from? Aren't these adult
> and
> experienced athletes that can decide matters for themselves without a
> paternalising IAAF? This would suggest the IAAF doesn't have their own
> problems
> or issues to concern themselves with. Likefor starters, they could start
> being
> consistent (and not suddenly start blaiming certain athletes for actions
> that
> numerous and numerous others have taken for years and years - i.c. both
> Jones
> and Radcliffe)?
>
> Just eur. 0,02,
> Wilmar Kortleever







RE: t-and-f: Radcliffe's marathon pacing slammed by IAAF

2003-03-10 Thread Post, Marty
The difference here -- how "much" might be open to debate -- is that because
the women's elite race begins before the rest, the male pacers are not part
of either race. They can't win or be eligible for prize money for a top
place in neither the women's nor the men's race.

What if on the eve of the London Marathon two of Radcliffe's designated
pacers indicate they are sick or slightly injured and not sure they can
maintain the required pace for the full distance? If Bedford decides to just
change it to a team of relay pacers (i.e. one does 1st half, the next one
goes to 30km and fourth pacer starts there and goes to the finish) would
this be "legal" in their eyes?

-Original Message-
From: Wilmar Kortleever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:21 AM
Cc: Post, Marty; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail)
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe's marathon pacing slammed by IAAF


"Post, Marty" schreef:

> >From the The Guardian Unlimited on-line:
>
> "If Paula Radcliffe sets a world record using male pacemakers in the
London
> Marathon next month it will almost certainly not be officially recognised,
a
> senior figure in the sport's governing body warned last night.
> Istvan Gyulai, secretary of the International Association of Athletics
> Federations, also criticised Radcliffe for agreeing to the plan and
claimed
> it was damaging her image around the world."
>
> http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,909986,00.html

LS
I agree the London plan sound strange, but this reaction I do not understand
either. There is not much of a difference between the proposed London pacing
and
the pacemaking in numerous other marathons with a mixed start.

Also, on a different not, where is this 'damaging for the image of the
athlete'
remark (first Jones, now Radcliffe) suddenly coming from? Aren't these adult
and
experienced athletes that can decide matters for themselves without a
paternalising IAAF? This would suggest the IAAF doesn't have their own
problems
or issues to concern themselves with. Likefor starters, they could start
being
consistent (and not suddenly start blaiming certain athletes for actions
that
numerous and numerous others have taken for years and years - i.c. both
Jones
and Radcliffe)?

Just eur. 0,02,
Wilmar Kortleever



Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe's marathon pacing slammed by IAAF

2003-03-10 Thread Martin J. Dixon
They clearly have too much time on their hands. I wonder if he is going to talk
to her like a father too. Mountains and molehills come to mind here. John Q
Public certainly won't care and the "crisis" is solved by just having a joint
start. Why not weigh in on the pole vault rule changes instead?
Regards,
Martin

"Post, Marty" wrote:

> >From the The Guardian Unlimited on-line:
>
> "If Paula Radcliffe sets a world record using male pacemakers in the London
> Marathon next month it will almost certainly not be officially recognised, a
> senior figure in the sport's governing body warned last night.
> Istvan Gyulai, secretary of the International Association of Athletics
> Federations, also criticised Radcliffe for agreeing to the plan and claimed
> it was damaging her image around the world."
>
> http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,909986,00.html







t-and-f: Radcliffe's marathon pacing slammed by IAAF

2003-03-10 Thread Post, Marty

>From the The Guardian Unlimited on-line:

"If Paula Radcliffe sets a world record using male pacemakers in the London
Marathon next month it will almost certainly not be officially recognised, a
senior figure in the sport's governing body warned last night. 
Istvan Gyulai, secretary of the International Association of Athletics
Federations, also criticised Radcliffe for agreeing to the plan and claimed
it was damaging her image around the world."

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,909986,00.html