Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story
But that is true for any drug/substance if a detection level is used: Above the level, positive; below the level, negative. Same thing happens when a ratio is used - i.e. T/E ratio changes with time. More out-of-competition testing would nab more of these. "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Isn't the problem though that the low levels could just be higher levels that have > been reduced as the stuff passes through his system? How do they know it isn't? > Regards, > Martin > > ghill wrote: > > > > From: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:38:55 + > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story > > > > > > > > >> Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the > > >> substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't > > >> performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. > > > > > > If it's not performance-enchancing and it's not illegal, why is anyone or > > > any organization worried about it? Why test for it? > > > > > > > Note this original quote in one story: > > > > "The use of salbutamol is permitted under certain conditions and the levels > > found in Collins' sample was consistent with normal therapeutic use and was > > not considered to be performance enhancing." > > > > they're making a quantitative vs. qualitative judgment apparently. Like a > > DUI, some's OK, some's not. (although i guess the problem w/ most DUI > > characters is that some was OK, more was better :-) > > > > gh
Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story
Isn't the problem though that the low levels could just be higher levels that have been reduced as the stuff passes through his system? How do they know it isn't? Regards, Martin ghill wrote: > > From: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:38:55 + > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story > > > > > >> Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the > >> substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't > >> performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. > > > > If it's not performance-enchancing and it's not illegal, why is anyone or > > any organization worried about it? Why test for it? > > > > Note this original quote in one story: > > "The use of salbutamol is permitted under certain conditions and the levels > found in Collins' sample was consistent with normal therapeutic use and was > not considered to be performance enhancing." > > they're making a quantitative vs. qualitative judgment apparently. Like a > DUI, some's OK, some's not. (although i guess the problem w/ most DUI > characters is that some was OK, more was better :-) > > gh
Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story
> From: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:38:55 + > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story > > >> Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the >> substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't >> performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. > > If it's not performance-enchancing and it's not illegal, why is anyone or > any organization worried about it? Why test for it? > Note this original quote in one story: "The use of salbutamol is permitted under certain conditions and the levels found in Collins' sample was consistent with normal therapeutic use and was not considered to be performance enhancing." they're making a quantitative vs. qualitative judgment apparently. Like a DUI, some's OK, some's not. (although i guess the problem w/ most DUI characters is that some was OK, more was better :-) gh
Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story
>Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the >substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't >performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. If it's not performance-enchancing and it's not illegal, why is anyone or any organization worried about it? Why test for it? Kurt Bray _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story
important question not addressed here is whether or not IAAF will accept the CGF decision. Obviously (see Mary Slaney), what other alphabet bodies do doesn't always count. > From: "Kebba Tolbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Kebba Tolbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:38:18 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story > > from story.news.yahoo.com (under sports) > > MANCHESTER, England (AP) - Kim Collins, the surprise 100 meters winner from > St. Kitts, became the first Commonwealth Games gold medalist to test > positive for drugs. > > Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the > substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't > performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. > > According to the Commonwealth Games Federation, Collins, who won the gold > after English sprinters Mark Lewis-Francis and Dwain Chambers ( news - > external web site) pulled up injured, was taking the medication for the > treatment of asthma. > > "Collins declared the use of the medication at the time the test was taken > but, in accordance with CGF rules, use of this medication must be declared > prior to competition and verified by a doctor," the federation said in a > statement. > > "The use of salbutamol is permitted under certain conditions and the levels > found in Collins' sample was consistent with normal therapeutic use and was > not considered to be performance enhancing." > > The CGF "came to the unanimous decision that the athlete should not be > penalized as a consequence of the failure of team management and the St. > Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee to submit the required declaration in > advance of competition." > > Dennis Knight, the president of the St. Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee, > said he believed the failure to supply the CGF with the declaration was "an > oversight" on the part of officials in his country. > > "It was more an omission by the authorities at home," he told The Associated > Press. > > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >
t-and-f: more on Kim Collins test positive- story
from story.news.yahoo.com (under sports) MANCHESTER, England (AP) - Kim Collins, the surprise 100 meters winner from St. Kitts, became the first Commonwealth Games gold medalist to test positive for drugs. Games officials announced that Collins wouldn't face punishment because the substance, used in asthma medication to make breathing easier, wasn't performance-enhancing. He was guilty only of not declaring it. According to the Commonwealth Games Federation, Collins, who won the gold after English sprinters Mark Lewis-Francis and Dwain Chambers ( news - external web site) pulled up injured, was taking the medication for the treatment of asthma. "Collins declared the use of the medication at the time the test was taken but, in accordance with CGF rules, use of this medication must be declared prior to competition and verified by a doctor," the federation said in a statement. "The use of salbutamol is permitted under certain conditions and the levels found in Collins' sample was consistent with normal therapeutic use and was not considered to be performance enhancing." The CGF "came to the unanimous decision that the athlete should not be penalized as a consequence of the failure of team management and the St. Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee to submit the required declaration in advance of competition." Dennis Knight, the president of the St. Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee, said he believed the failure to supply the CGF with the declaration was "an oversight" on the part of officials in his country. "It was more an omission by the authorities at home," he told The Associated Press. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
