Re: [Tagging] What exactly is a greenfield?
A greenfield site is one that is currently a field, so it should be tagged as a field until it gets built on. Nothing should ever be tagged greenfield. A brownfield site is derelict land that was something once, but is now nothing in particular until someone does something with it. A brownfield tag would therefore make some sense, though I'd probably leave it as landuse=industrial (or whatever else it was) and add further tags to say that it's derelict. Richard On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: According to the wiki, landuse=greenfield Describes land scheduled for new development where there have been no buildings before. Does this mean that any undeveloped land owned by a developer or zoned as planned development is a greenfield? If so, should a bug be filed on trac to render it less obtrusively than the construction/brownfield brown? Also, what if land with another landuse like farm is scheduled for new development? In my experience, these two tags are really unhelpful. Personally, I don't find the greenfield/brownfield distinction all that relevant to a map: it's essentially a way of jamming in past history into the primary tag, where it should go somewhere else. Secondly, I don't find that the concept of scheduled for new development should be tagged this way. When a highway is scheduled for new development, we mark it highway=proposed, proposed=motorway. Something similar would seem appropriate: landuse=proposed, proposed=retail. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What exactly is a greenfield?
On 10/5/10 7:15 AM, Richard Mann wrote: A greenfield site is one that is currently a field, so it should be tagged as a field until it gets built on. Nothing should ever be tagged greenfield. A brownfield site is derelict land that was something once, but is now nothing in particular until someone does something with it. A brownfield tag would therefore make some sense, though I'd probably leave it as landuse=industrial (or whatever else it was) and add further tags to say that it's derelict. i concur landuse=industrial disused=yes is pretty consistent with what is getting done now. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo
Just forwarding this to the tagging list, It's great that this is done, as i had no plans on getting a web-version of SchemaTroll done. :) I'll be digging through it, as it's a great help with the process. It's great to even see a map with all the tag uses! :) Cheers, Sam On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: For the last months I have been working on a software called Taginfo that brings together information about OSM tags from the OSM database, the wiki and other places. Somewhat like Tagwatch, Tagstat, and OSMdoc, but more ambitious. :-) I am happy to announce that the beast is now available at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de There are still some bugs and lots of missing features, but its already usable. Updates are currently done manually, but I will do automatic daily updates soon. All the software to run this is Open Source so please go ahead, run your own versions and send me patches. More details and background in my blog entry at: http://blog.jochentopf.com/2010-10-05-introducing-taginfo.html Bug reports and feature ideas welcome. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Heritage
Hi, Nearly a year that the the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/heritage has been started. I'm not shure that it has been announced on this list. They are allready some uses on the excellent tool : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/heritage -- FrViPofm ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo
Great tool. Thank you for offering this to the community. If I could have one request, it would be nice to see the amount of different contributors using the same tag. This to distinguish between quantity and popularity. I know it might be challenging since we should only count the user of the tag creation in the element history... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] SchemaTroll 2.01 - OSM OpenMapFeatures Spreadsheet - Available for edits
Go ahead and add it :) I set the spreadsheet to free and open access to everyone to edit as they wish.. Do what you want with it, i no longer take ownership of it. And hey, if it gets too ugly i'll remove myslef as an editor :l) I have my origional that im fiddling with offline. cheers, sam On 10/5/10, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'm happy to report that i have now (finally) converted the OSM Map Features page into a Google Docs spreadsheet http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Sam, I don't see a license on your spreadsheet, but I'd like to point out to you that your derived work is derived from a web page which has a license on it: As per the footer. # Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. Therefore your spreadsheet must also be made available under this license. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What exactly is a greenfield?
On 5 October 2010 12:15, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: A greenfield site is one that is currently a field, so it should be tagged as a field until it gets built on. Nothing should ever be tagged greenfield. A brownfield site is derelict land that was something once, but is now nothing in particular until someone does something with it. A brownfield tag would therefore make some sense, though I'd probably leave it as landuse=industrial (or whatever else it was) and add further tags to say that it's derelict. Richard Don't totally agree with Brownfield definition. We're dealing tags which appear to be poorly derived from British terms used in the British Planning System (eg building houses). The UK Government tries to encourage development on land that has been previously developed, and tries to avoid development on land that has never been built on. This advice to local council planners is found in national *Planning Policy Statement 3: Housing * (PPS3) which uses the term Greenfield but not Brownfield. In the UK the definitions are more or less as follows: *Greenfield can be defined as* *land that has never been built on or where the remains of any structure or activity have blended into the landscape over time.* *Brownfield is used to shorten the term 'Previously developed land and can be defined as* land that is, or was, previously occupied by a permanent structure (excluding agricultural or forestry buildings) and associated fixed surface infrastructure. As of summer 2010 it does not include 'greenfield' land associated with a building (eg Gardens behind a house were until this summer considered brownfield in the UK) Putting aside the British English definitions we have to look for uses in OSM. I think Brownfield would be useful for mapping current status of previously developed land, not currently used, and where the future use is unknown or not agreed upon. Greenfield...not sure about this one. I don't like the current OSM use. The current use of mapping planning permission of land that has not been developed seems bad practice. Planning Permission is often not acted upon, and we should be mapping 'whats on the ground' or a status that affecting the land (eg Nature Reserve). Planning Permission is doesn't impact the land unless acted upon, in which case the land should be tagged landuse=construction Jason ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] SchemaTroll 2.01 - OSM OpenMapFeatures Spreadsheet - Available for edits
I want to say that header files and lists of field names are not covered by copyright in general. we could fight over textual descriptions, but the list of tages and basic information is not seen as a copyright-able information. Otherwise you would never be able to use a header file for programming. mike On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'm happy to report that i have now (finally) converted the OSM Map Features page into a Google Docs spreadsheet http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Sam, I don't see a license on your spreadsheet, but I'd like to point out to you that your derived work is derived from a web page which has a license on it: As per the footer. # Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. Therefore your spreadsheet must also be made available under this license. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] SchemaTroll 2.01 - OSM OpenMapFeatures Spreadsheet - Available for edits
So one application of this, is to create an xml file which has all the ! -This is a map feature type tags. The Potlatch file is by far the best xml schema that i have seen, so it shouldn't be that hard to create a universal version of it grabbing from the (or the new) spreadsheet. Sam On 10/5/10, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I want to say that header files and lists of field names are not covered by copyright in general. we could fight over textual descriptions, but the list of tages and basic information is not seen as a copyright-able information. Otherwise you would never be able to use a header file for programming. mike On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'm happy to report that i have now (finally) converted the OSM Map Features page into a Google Docs spreadsheet http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Sam, I don't see a license on your spreadsheet, but I'd like to point out to you that your derived work is derived from a web page which has a license on it: As per the footer. # Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. Therefore your spreadsheet must also be made available under this license. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What exactly is a greenfield?
On 6 October 2010 07:57, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Also agreed. Although there are cases of green grass with big signs all around selling off house and land packages. Clearly something will be built. Does it matter that construction hasn't technically started yet? (IMHO, given the difficulties of keeping OSM totally up to date, not much...) Usually in those cases they have built roads, so it's not as if there is nothing on the ground. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging Overtaking Lanes
Someone just added this, it's a good idea on principal, but is this the best way to tag it? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:highwayoldid=534629diff=next ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
