Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes
2011/2/14 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.76925,-82.20018z=16t=T If this isn't mountain_pass=yes, what should it be mapped as? IMHO natural=pass would be the most logical way to do it. Natural describes in it's vast majority geographical features as which I would see a pass as well. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes
2011/2/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: That was the start of the discussion in 2007, but was changed due to the changes (around the same time) of highway=tunnel / highway=bridge to tunnel=yes / bridge=yes - so using the same logic for passes seemed like a good idea then ... Ah, yes, good point. Although it's slightly complicated by a pass theoretically being a point rather than a stretch of road. And that presumably makes it hard to render - you'd need to work out which way the point is oriented. IMHO you don't. Simply render Simplonpass, 2005 m at the given point in a pleasant font. Done. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan
Hello, Please read and comment on my draft proposal to improve our tagging of vegetarian and vegan food: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vegetarian I want to use something more sophisticated than cuisine=vegetarian for restaurants, cafes and shops. Regards, Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan
2011/2/14 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: Hello, Please read and comment on my draft proposal to improve our tagging of vegetarian and vegan food: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vegetarian I want to use something more sophisticated than cuisine=vegetarian for restaurants, cafes and shops. I am not an expert in this field, but maybe it would be better to do it the other way round: yes/strictly, i.e. vegetarian=yes implies available while vegetarian=strictly implies that no meat has ever been fried in their pans ;-) AFAIK there is quite a lot of differentiation in the vegetarian community (e.g. Ovo, lacto, ovo-lacto, veganism, raw veganism, fruitarianism, buddhist vegetarianism) if you are an expert in this field, maybe you could extend the proposal to take this into account? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes
Am 14.02.2011 13:40, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/2/14 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.76925,-82.20018z=16t=T If this isn't mountain_pass=yes, what should it be mapped as? IMHO natural=pass would be the most logical way to do it. Natural describes in it's vast majority geographical features as which I would see a pass as well. While I agree that this would be logical, the crowd has chosen otherwise ... Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes
Am 14.02.2011 14:22, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/2/14 Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: That was the start of the discussion in 2007, but was changed due to the changes (around the same time) of highway=tunnel / highway=bridge to tunnel=yes / bridge=yes - so using the same logic for passes seemed like a good idea then ... Ah, yes, good point. Although it's slightly complicated by a pass theoretically being a point rather than a stretch of road. And that presumably makes it hard to render - you'd need to work out which way the point is oriented. IMHO you don't. Simply render Simplonpass, 2005 m at the given point in a pleasant font. Done. Rendering a single point and a label is often found on topological maps. For street maps, you'll usually have a bridge like symbol which needs an orientation of the corresponding way to be drawn properly (as Osmarender is already doing). Obviously, it would be much better than nothing if mapnik at least would just render a point with a label ... :-) Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes
On 2/14/2011 4:05 PM, yvecai wrote: Actually, Mapnik would render a 'pointSymbolizer', how would it look like? Just a label could be enough. Why not simply use the same style as place=locality? They fit the definition (in fact there seems to be no reason not to apply that tag to passes other than redundancy). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes
Am 14.02.2011 22:22, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: On 2/14/2011 4:05 PM, yvecai wrote: Actually, Mapnik would render a 'pointSymbolizer', how would it look like? Just a label could be enough. Why not simply use the same style as place=locality? Because I would like to see the elevation in the label - at least in higher zoomlevels. Basically the same behaviour as natural=peak would be my favourite. They fit the definition (in fact there seems to be no reason not to apply that tag to passes other than redundancy). Well, tagging every unpopulated named place with place=locality is really misleading. A football stadium is usually unpopulated and has a name :-) If we have a specific tag for a specific feature we shouldn't add more generic stuff to it IMHO. Makes it more difficult to render without a real benefit. Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes
2011/2/14 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Because I would like to see the elevation in the label - at least in higher zoomlevels. Basically the same behaviour as natural=peak would be my favourite. +1 If we have a specific tag for a specific feature we shouldn't add more generic stuff to it IMHO. Makes it more difficult to render without a real benefit. +1. It is an unpopulated place, but more detail is better, and passes deserve their own tag IMHO. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 18:53 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/14 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: AFAIK there is quite a lot of differentiation in the vegetarian community (e.g. Ovo, lacto, ovo-lacto, veganism, raw veganism, fruitarianism, buddhist vegetarianism) if you are an expert in this field, maybe you could extend the proposal to take this into account? Even more than that, the definition of vegetarianism can vary from person to person. A vegan friend many years ago used to say that true 'vegans' dont use any animal product, true 'vegetarians' dont eat any animal product, where some people dont follow that strictness as much. I imagine that different cultures could have different definitions of vegetarian too. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan
True. My understanding is that most Hindus don't eat meat, but they do consume milk and other dairy products. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan From :mailto:da...@incanberra.com.au Date :Mon Feb 14 18:39:27 America/Chicago 2011 On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 18:53 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/14 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: AFAIK there is quite a lot of differentiation in the vegetarian community (e.g. Ovo, lacto, ovo-lacto, veganism, raw veganism, fruitarianism, buddhist vegetarianism) if you are an expert in this field, maybe you could extend the proposal to take this into account? Even more than that, the definition of vegetarianism can vary from person to person. A vegan friend many years ago used to say that true 'vegans' dont use any animal product, true 'vegetarians' dont eat any animal product, where some people dont follow that strictness as much. I imagine that different cultures could have different definitions of vegetarian too. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan
MHO, a vegetarian tag would be best expanded to any dietary guidelines. For example, I can't have gluten, and some places specialize in gluten free options. Big chains will have an allergy menu and include gluten, but some places are actually specialty gluten free, just like some places are pure vegetarian or vegan. I'd suggest making the tag more expansive for this reason. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft - Vegetarian/Vegan
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:47:31 + j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: True. My understanding is that most Hindus don't eat meat, but they do consume milk and other dairy products. We have had Hindu believers work with us for years one strict who does not eat when it looks like egg eg quiche but does eat egg when invisible eg cake the remainder of her family do eat meat but this usually means chicken and fish - nothing mammalian. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
