Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)
On 1 March 2011 21:47, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: You'all are welcome to: 1) Make another proposal 2) Vote yes or no to the proposal as it stands It's not appropriate to fine-tune the proposal during the voting stage - you either approve or oppose it as it stands. If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to approved. Otherwise we'll just carry on waiting for a better idea (it might be a long wait). My proposal is simply to use an other key, and once a better name for the key is agreed upon to change the existing tags to use the new key /Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)
2011/3/2 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: My proposal is simply to use an other key, and once a better name for the key is agreed upon to change the existing tags to use the new key it might also help to use namespaces for the values, like uk:public_bridleway instead of public_bridleway cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)
M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: it might also help to use namespaces for the values, like uk:public_bridleway instead of public_bridleway So I presume you're planning to do that for other tags whose meaning varies by country, like highway=uk:trunk, highway=de:motorway... OSM. For People Who Don't Quite Understand The Whole Spatial Thing In Spatial Databases. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Feature-Proposal-Voting-Key-designation-tp6077969p6081243.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)
2011/3/2 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: it might also help to use namespaces for the values, like uk:public_bridleway instead of public_bridleway So I presume you're planning to do that for other tags whose meaning varies by country, like highway=uk:trunk, highway=de:motorway... OSM. For People Who Don't Quite Understand The Whole Spatial Thing In Spatial Databases. There is no doubt that an application can (given correct boundaries and massive preprocessing) determine in which country a road lies. My consideration was biased towards novice mappers and a consistent tagging scheme. The OSM kosmos of tags is already not easy to understand. If there was a preset like uk in front of this tag, e.g. German or Italian mappers would know that they don't have to care for these. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)
Tordanik wrote: I'm still not quite sure whether I understand what designation=* is supposed to do. It's to record the legal status, or designation, of a given object - whether that object be a footpath, a waterway, or whatever. Having now looked at the wiki voting page I'm afraid the description given there is spectacularly bad. :( I'll rewrite it tomorrow morning (UK time). cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Feature-Proposal-Voting-Key-designation-tp6077969p6082436.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Tordanik wrote: I'm still not quite sure whether I understand what designation=* is supposed to do. It's to record the legal status, or designation, of a given object - whether that object be a footpath, a waterway, or whatever. Having now looked at the wiki voting page I'm afraid the description given there is spectacularly bad. :( I'll rewrite it tomorrow morning (UK time). During the RFC, the only comments concerned it's use for recording path types in England and Wales. No great desire was expressed for it's use for other purposes, so I left it as largely for the EW purpose, but with the proviso that others could start using it for other purposes if it met a locally-agreed need (or I guess if you just feel like it). Nop added the German values, though they haven't been taken up by the German community (which makes his negative vote a bit cheeky, really, but such is life). My preliminary conclusion is that the suggested German values will simply be dropped, post-vote. I reckon the voting is running at about 24000 a handful for, and a handful against. Comments alongside the votes are more useful than the votes, really. The wiki/RFC/voting process is good for flushing out issues: it's better than just sitting in ignorance of what others think. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)
On 03/02/2011 05:01 PM, Richard Mann wrote: I reckon the voting is running at about 24000 a handful for, and a handful against. Oh, come on. If you’re going to count every element tagged with designation=* as a “vote for” you really ought to count every element *not* tagged with designation=* as a vote against. Both cases are obviously silly. At best you could count the number of users who have applied this tag using the values described on the page, which is guaranteed to be less than 24000. Comments alongside the votes are more useful than the votes, really. I wonder if we might do well to move from a voting system to a “veto-based” system like the one which seems to do well for Musicbrainz. [1] Since it requires a (subjective) good reason for a veto, it might be better than the simple yes/no. On the negative, it allows anyone to hold up forever any idea that they don’t like. —Alex Mauer “hawke” 1. http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Request_For_Veto#Process_for_Idea_Champions ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
