[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - stamping_point
Hi! I changed the status of this proposal to Proposed only today, although the RFC was sent in February. Is it OK to start the voting in a few days (hours)? Luckily the history of the proposal wasn't inactive, I received some comments on the Discussion Page. I answered them there and modified the proposal a little bit. Anyone with better english skills than me is welcome to clean up the page. If I don't receive any more comments, I send out a Request for Voting. regards Zsolt Herrbert74 -- Forwarded message -- From: Zsolt Bertalan herrber...@googlemail.com Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - stamping_point To: tagging@openstreetmap.org http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stamping_point ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands
Hi Richard, FYI, earlier (yesterday) i said i'll have potlach2 Island done... well it's started (i wasn't joking) http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=0.012lon=-0.0493zoom=14layers=BFTF The idea here is to draw in a 'Map Legend' which you would see on normal printed paper maps in 1 corner of it. Its divided into the 16 categories that are in the github source https://github.com/openstreetmap/potlatch2/tree/master/resources/map_features and added in the source tags, here's an example http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/node/2822881 Node: 2822881 « 2822873 http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/node/2822873 | 2822889 » http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/node/2822889 Edited at:Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:37:54 +Edited by:Sam Vekemans - CommonMaphttp://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/user/Sam%20Vekemans%20-%20CommonMap Version:1In changeset:849http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/changeset/849Comment:added pub tagTags:amenity = pubattribute = foodanddrinkattribution_url = https://github.com/openstreetmap/potlatch2/blob/master/resources/map_features/amenities.xml category = Amenitiesclass = Entertainmentdefinition = A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and New Zealand culture. entity = Pubpng_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.pngwiki_url = http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub wikipedia = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubCoordinates: 0.0159338637665534, -0.0562495429611206http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=0.0159338637665534lon=-0.0562495429611206zoom=18 -- Download XMLhttp://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/api/0.6/node/2822881 , view historyhttp://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/node/2822881/history or edithttp://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/edit?lat=0.0159338637665534lon=-0.0562495429611206node=2822881zoom=18 View area on larger maphttp://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?minlon=-0.056249542961121minlat=0.015933863766553maxlon=-0.056249542961121maxlat=0.015933863766553 View node on larger maphttp://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?node=2822881 Overall ... you can see the spreadsheet on the 2nd and 3rd tab of JOSM / Mkgmap you can see the breakdown of it. https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dHJxMG05Zmg2YS1LeFg2czRZOWZEU3chl=en_US But i think that after im done Potlatch2 Island, i can easily download it, and view it in qgis, as a shp file, then look at the .dbf file and see all the attributes. All renderers/editors will be using the same 'Key' tags as shown above in the example. Idea's thoughts? I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures Cheers, Sam Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Diaspora: acrosscanadatra...@joindiaspora.comhttps://joindiaspora.com/people/44143 Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands
2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com Idea's thoughts? I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures png_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.png maybe you can find another key-structure for icons, because there are many versions and variations of certain icons available. class = Entertainmentdefinition = A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and New Zealand culture. where does this come from? The wiki reads: An establishment that sells alcoholic drinks that can be drunk on the premises. Pubs commonly sell food which also can be eaten on the premises. They are characterised by a relaxed atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to disturb conversation. A pub would be good location to meet after a day's mapping for OpenStreetMap. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types
I was playing around with taginfo and run into a strange set of tags in northern Germany. These are barriers separating opposite lanes on motorways. There are lots of them like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/118720124 Key/tag combos are : barrier=beam_barrier highway=axis visor=hedge My english, tagging and motorway mapping skills are not good enough, but I want to learn, that's why I ask you the following questions: - Is beam_barrier a useful addition to this proposal? - Is this guy ahead if his time or is this mapping crap? - How would you map these barriers? - Would you map these barriers at all? regards Zsolt Herrbert74 On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:37 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - stamping_point
Am 11.07.2011 16:00, schrieb Zsolt Bertalan: Hi! I changed the status of this proposal to Proposed only today, although the RFC was sent in February. Is it OK to start the voting in a few days (hours)? Luckily the history of the proposal wasn't inactive, I received some comments on the Discussion Page. I answered them there and modified the proposal a little bit. Anyone with better english skills than me is welcome to clean up the page. If I don't receive any more comments, I send out a Request for Voting. Please, have a statement that stamping_point=yes can be used with other tourism=* as long as the location is not known better. Relations (like site) should also be valid case. At least with pilgim stamp points are often located in tourism=attraction tagged building/sites. Thanks fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands
Hi, Good to see i'm not blocked yet :0) On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:09 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com Idea's thoughts? I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures png_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.png maybe you can find another key-structure for icons, because there are many versions and variations of certain icons available.. No. It's the source which is in some svn i just dont know the direct url that potlatch2 uses (im looking at Potlatch2 (Build 2.0-16g106bbd1) class = Entertainment definition = A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and New Zealand culture. where does this come from? The wiki reads: An establishment that sells alcoholic drinks that can be drunk on the premises. Pubs commonly sell food which also can be eaten on the premises. They are characterised by a relaxed atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to disturb conversation. A pub would be good location to meet after a day's mapping for OpenStreetMap. It's the Wikipedia definition the other key you might be thinking of is description. And yes, good idea i'll add that in. A 'definition' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition A *definition* is a passage that explains the meaninghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_(linguistic) of a term (a word http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word, phrasehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase or other set of symbols http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol), or a type of thing. The term to be defined is the *definiendumhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/definiendum *. A term may have many different senses or meanings. For each such specific sense, a *definiens http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/definiens* is a cluster of words that defines that term. A 'description' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description *Description* is one of four rhetorical modeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_modes (also known as *modes of discourse*), along with expositionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposition_(literary_technique) , argumentation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation, and narrationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrative_mode. Each of the rhetorical modes is present in a variety of forms and each has its own purpose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose and conventionshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_(norm) . Both of which are important to use, when describing a VERY complex notion such as the language of Nullians. So, to be more precise, i can use osm_wiki_description.. However. The Wiki is Wacky... and thus, deserves it's own island. http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/way/337377 I'll organize it the same way as potlatch2 island. IF in the .xml documentation there was some indication of a description, i would add it in. Otherwise, i don't want to pick a language of the osm-wiki. My Nullish isn't the best just yet. Thanks for the feedback, i'll get back to the tagging list once the Islands are more complete. Cheers, Sam cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types
Am 11.07.2011 17:24, schrieb Zsolt Bertalan: I was playing around with taginfo and run into a strange set of tags in northern Germany. These are barriers separating opposite lanes on motorways. There are lots of them like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/118720124 Key/tag combos are : barrier=beam_barrier highway=axis visor=hedge My english, tagging and motorway mapping skills are not good enough, but I want to learn, that's why I ask you the following questions: - Is beam_barrier a useful addition to this proposal? - Is this guy ahead if his time or is this mapping crap? - How would you map these barriers? - Would you map these barriers at all? There was a discussion on talk-de@ about it: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg85941.html Some user tried some fancy micro mapping. A beam-barrier often is put onto guard_rail. Which leads to the question I ask before but which is still unanwsered: how to map barriers on top of each other. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types
On 11/07/2011 16:47, fly wrote: There was a discussion on talk-de@ about it: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg85941.html Thanks - I was wondering what visor=hedge meant! ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types
On 11/07/2011 17:03, SomeoneElse wrote: On 11/07/2011 16:47, fly wrote: There was a discussion on talk-de@ about it: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg85941.html Thanks - I was wondering what visor=hedge meant! I wonder if screen=hedge would be what they're looking for? -- Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - stamping_point
I amended the page, but meanwhile someone made an interesting comment, that we shouldn't use this on a building, because there is no building built for that. I answered the following: Interesting point. I think the tag is not describing the building as a whole, but only a feature. Also I don't like to tag nodes that are part of a(n) way/area. And where do you put the node with the tag if the stamp is inside the building, e.g. in a pub under the counter? Putting it on the entrance would be misleading, because it implies that the stamp is on the wall, so you can use it outside opening hours. On the other hand how can I render the stamp if the house already have another icon? Would tagging a node solve this problem? I think the render would not look nice. Herrbert74 What is your opinion? Does anyone know, how this would be rendered (in my own rendering for hikers) if the building has already say, an amenity=pub tag (and I already render pubs with icons)? What would be the best solution? Zsolt Herrbert74 On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Zsolt Bertalan herrber...@gmail.comwrote: OK, I will do that! I think site relation is not a good example for a relation, because I'd add the tag to a member of the relation, but it's applicable for a building with a yard mapped with a multipolygon relation. Zsolt Herrbert74 On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:31 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 11.07.2011 16:00, schrieb Zsolt Bertalan: Hi! I changed the status of this proposal to Proposed only today, although the RFC was sent in February. Is it OK to start the voting in a few days (hours)? Luckily the history of the proposal wasn't inactive, I received some comments on the Discussion Page. I answered them there and modified the proposal a little bit. Anyone with better english skills than me is welcome to clean up the page. If I don't receive any more comments, I send out a Request for Voting. Please, have a statement that stamping_point=yes can be used with other tourism=* as long as the location is not known better. Relations (like site) should also be valid case. At least with pilgim stamp points are often located in tourism=attraction tagged building/sites. Thanks fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
