Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
Hi. That's how it's documented and defined, but I fear, if you look into maxspeed tags of countries not using the metric system on signs, we probably have many bugs in values without units, if you use that assumption. It's similar to everything else: If there's nothing declared, you don't know if it's wrong or missing. If there's no maxspeed at all in the database, we don't know if there's the national default or if nobody cared about maxspeeds there, yet. That's why I want to ALLOW a unit information even where it's metric. regards Peter Am 26.06.2012 17:03, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Jun 26, 2012 6:03 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de mailto:wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: I would prefer to allow (not require) an additional unit information (mph, km/h), simply to encourage data consumers to deal with them as they are usually added by users. On the other hand no data consumer can be sure about a (global) default unit if there's no unit given. I thought it was assumed to be metric unless specified otherwise. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson: It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits would be useful. What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit? I don't think it's useful, as we are still speaking about legal speed limits, while often lower practical speed limits are the limiting factor, and no router should assume a maximum time a particular vehicle needs, as there may be a traffic jam as well as ice on the road and so on. The default limit I see similar (if it's not the highest one, which it is in all cases I know and AFAIR have been reported in this thread, yet). regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
2012/6/27 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: Hi. That's how it's documented and defined, but I fear, if you look into maxspeed tags of countries not using the metric system on signs, we probably have many bugs in values without units, if you use that assumption. It's similar to everything else: If there's nothing declared, you don't know if it's wrong or missing. If there's no maxspeed at all in the database, we don't know if there's the national default or if nobody cared about maxspeeds there, yet. That's why I want to ALLOW a unit information even where it's metric. It is allowed right now - isn't it? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 09:33:49AM +0200, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson: It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits would be useful. What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit? I'd say - Worst case travel time estimation? Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
Am 27.06.2012 09:36, schrieb Martin Vonwald: 2012/6/27 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: Hi. That's how it's documented and defined, but I fear, if you look into maxspeed tags of countries not using the metric system on signs, we probably have many bugs in values without units, if you use that assumption. It's similar to everything else: If there's nothing declared, you don't know if it's wrong or missing. If there's no maxspeed at all in the database, we don't know if there's the national default or if nobody cared about maxspeeds there, yet. That's why I want to ALLOW a unit information even where it's metric. It is allowed right now - isn't it? I think so, yes. regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
Am 27.06.2012 09:37, schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 09:33:49AM +0200, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson: It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits would be useful. What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit? I'd say - Worst case travel time estimation? Well, then the motorways around cologne are lowest speed limit 0. That's not the lowest legal speed limit, but the only lowest speed limit useful for worst case time estimations. regards Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote: Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson: It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits would be useful. What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit? To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other data (such as speed limits that vary based on time of day) is available. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Extended conditions for access tags
Hi everybody, Am Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2012, 12:32:10 schrieb Martin Vonwald: Has this discussion died now and awaits re-revival in another two, three years? hopefully the lack of discussion indicates that everything important has been said already. :-) Therefore I'd like to move on to the voting phase. Here's the proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_access_tags Voting starts today and ends July 7th, according to proposal guidelines. Eckhart ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
Hi Paul, Am Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2012, 07:07:49 schrieb Paul Johnson: What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit? To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other data (such as speed limits that vary based on time of day) is available. Speed limits that only depend on the time of day are not dynamic. Eckhart ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
2012/6/27 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other data (such as speed limits that vary based on time of day) is available. I think that estimation of slowest possible trip is not something we should be thinking about. In my country, and I assume most others, you must lower your speed if the road conditions are bad, even if there are no signals. That is not very different from signals that lower the maximum speed if there is rain, fog or something else. Let alone traffic jams. I think such cases should be handled by other, real-time services. We should only concentrate on the best (fastest) case scenario. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Blue flags (Foundation for Environmental Education's Blue flag criteria for beaches and marinas)
Dana utorak, 26. lipnja 2012., korisnik Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com je napisao: Yes, in fact, that's what I meant. Every single beach area in the municipality has been awarded the flag. I am still a bit unsure, though: do you know of cities in which only some of the beaches/marinas have the flag, and others don't? I don't live on the sea, so I am not sure. But whenever there is talk about blue flags here (Croatia), it mentions specific beaches and marinas, never towns or regions. I got an answer about gray flags on their site: The grey flags are Blue Flag sites not in Blue Flag season yet: this means they have been awarded the Blue Flag, but will comply with all criteria when their season starts, later in the summer. Best Regards, Sophie Bachet Blue Flag International Director So some beaches are only blue flag compliant during some seasons. I think this is too much information for osm right now. fee_blue_flag=yes should be enough. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals
+1 Real time estimates are best handled by TMS, or similar. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 27/06/2012 15:40 Janko Mihelić wrote: 2012/6/27 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other data (such as speed limits that vary based on time of day) is available. I think that estimation of slowest possible trip is not something we should be thinking about. In my country, and I assume most others, you must lower your speed if the road conditions are bad, even if there are no signals. That is not very different from signals that lower the maximum speed if there is rain, fog or something else. Let alone traffic jams. I think such cases should be handled by other, real-time services. We should only concentrate on the best (fastest) case scenario. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Blue flags (Foundation for Environmental Education's Blue flag criteria for beaches and marinas)
2012/6/27 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I got an answer about gray flags on their site: The grey flags are Blue Flag sites not in Blue Flag season yet: this means they have been awarded the Blue Flag, but will comply with all criteria when their season starts, later in the summer. So some beaches are only blue flag compliant during some seasons. I think this is too much information for osm right now. fee_blue_flag=yes should be enough. or tag those fee_blue_flag=grey (or similar)? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
