Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground
Hi folks, Here is a similar type of infrastructure : pipelines. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline It can be underground, overground and underwater. Like electric lines, building such things require different techniques because of location. Alaska pipeline, mainly overground needs to be heated to avoid oil from freezing right in the pipe. Caucasian ones need to be underground. etc... Different implementations but one only tag. Think about it. 2013/1/17 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu I don't see any thing against using level=* to solve some rendering issues. Feature-independance is maybe the key for more simplicity and versatility. As location=underground is one other example. power=cable isn't feature independent at all, are we? 2013/1/16 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com I'm somewhat of a tourist in this thread (if you didn't notice) but I can't help wondering why these lines aka cables are not tagged with at least layer=±3 (1). Now, if we do not want the non-specialized renderer to be updated with each new feature, the best is a tag telling whether a underground hidden object has to be rendered with a dotted line. This is not tagging for the renderer (2), it is making an OSMap. This is the same feature-independence reasoning as saying that bridges are black objects a little wider than the road, just that, and tagged at level road-1, thus supporting the road without interrupting nor hiding it (as done at legacy level +1) and extending two black stripes to each side. While bridge=yes was OK, I have had rendering problems with bridge=culvert and I'm wondering why the renderer is messing in the hidden underskirt of a bridge :-) Cheers, André. (1) which should have been called level in my mind. BTW, wiki/Layer had better say that the ground at Earth surface is layer 0. (2) which is working around its mistakes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice
I think we should invent a tag for temporary out of work things. If you download an offline map and go abroad, the application could estimate that a few months have passed, and that a caffe could be open now, or that a road could be open. When you put a highway=construction on the road, it is closed for good if you don't have internet. I reccomend something like closed=yes and if you have an idea about the time when it could open, closed:until=-MM-DD. You could add a reason for closing, closed:reason=renovation or closed:reason=construction. This way we could even put real-time data like a shop closed for one day. When a closed:until comes to an end, a bot could delete them automatically. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice
On 1/17/13 6:06 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: I reccomend something like closed=yes and if you have an idea about the time when it could open, closed:until=-MM-DD. You could add a reason for closing, closed:reason=renovation or closed:reason=construction. i haven't been following this thread up until now, but some quick suggestions: 1) specify use of opening hours date/time syntax 2) look at access conditionals 3) support the expansion of opening hours syntax to include years that i just suggested on another thread on this list. my rationale for this is the need to be able to indicate dates/times of planned road closures for routing purposes, which is almost the same requirement. we might as well try to conform the tagging styles. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground
2013/1/17 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu It can be underground, overground and underwater. I would prefer seafloor instead of underwater. If it is drawn over water, and you put underground that means it's dug into the sea floor. Underwater can be anything from levitating at 1m below surface to 3km under sea floor. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice
Would this fit the bill: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary ? Steve On 15/01/2013 00:17, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: There is a fast food franchise site which is closed for renovation in my vicinity. Two questions: * Would you support or recommend tagging a transient state like 'closed for renovation'? * If one were to indicate temporary closure, how would one do this? In the case of renovation, would one use a construction-related tag? Thanks for your input ... or referral to conversations/info which you'd consider definitive. --ceyockey ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Powerlines underground
Yes you're right. But I location values list sould be completed to match the proper one the mapper think, obviously. For Nord Stream, it would be location=underwater http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream For IFA2000, the power connection between France and GB, it would be location=underground. http://www.rte-france.com/uploads/media/pdf_zip/presse/dp-2006/dp_ifa_30_11_2006.pdf location=* seems better and more precise to describe several situations than power=cable. 2013/1/17 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com 2013/1/17 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu It can be underground, overground and underwater. I would prefer seafloor instead of underwater. If it is drawn over water, and you put underground that means it's dug into the sea floor. Underwater can be anything from levitating at 1m below surface to 3km under sea floor. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice
closed_until is overengineered* and does not match my local reality. When a restaurant closes, it often posts closed for renovations. Sometimes they open again, sometimes they don't. So I think if it's a 2-week advertised window, ignore it or perhaps use the tag. But if there's no firm, less-than-30-days reopen time posted, just remove it, and check back. * meaning there are unmapped POIs, so this is something I am disinclined to spend time on pgp6CXoRTUeQs.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice
2013/1/17 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com Would this fit the bill: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary ? Yes, temporary:access=no is the same as my closed=yes tag. And the ability to put more tags behind temporary: is quite handy. Closed restaurants could be tagged as temporary:opening_hours=off. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice
Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should invent a tag for temporary out of work things. If you download an offline map and go abroad, the application could estimate that a few months have passed, and that a caffe could be open now, or that a road could be open. When you put a highway=construction on the road, it is closed for good if you don't have internet. I reccomend something like closed=yes and if you have an idea about the time when it could open, closed:until=-MM-DD. You could add a reason for closing, closed:reason=renovation or closed:reason=construction. This way we could even put real-time data like a shop closed for one day. When a closed:until comes to an end, a bot could delete them automatically. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Sometimes a business ends up being closed for renovations or repairs for much longer than expected. One McDonalds restaurant here in Nashville, TN, USA closed temporarily over a year ago due to a fire. It is still closed, and still not repaired, due to a dispute between the corporation and the city (the zoning board wants all of the parking to be behind the restaurant, and McDonalds wants the parking to be on three sides of the restaurant, as it was with the old building). -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice
2013/1/17 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com Sometimes a business ends up being closed for renovations or repairs for much longer than expected. One McDonalds restaurant here in Nashville, TN, USA closed temporarily over a year ago due to a fire. It is still closed, and still not repaired, due to a dispute between the corporation and the city (the zoning board wants all of the parking to be behind the restaurant, and McDonalds wants the parking to be on three sides of the restaurant, as it was with the old building). Well then you decide what its status is. Is it an abandoned building (building=yes), or is it a temporarily closed McDonalds (building=yes, amenity=restaurant, temporary:opening_hours=off). If someone says Meet me at the abandoned McDonalds, you could find that with the temporary tag :) That's more information than just building=yes. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
