Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: ** Where do we stop, if we override the implied tags do we then have to add pedestrian=no horse=no invalid_carriage=no learner_driver=no hgv_learner=yes tracked_vehicle=no agricultural_vehicle=no and so on. You forgot camel=no because somewhere in the world (middle east ?), it is probably allowed to ride a camel on some motorway ;-) Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. Here is one example: http://binged.it/Y2XLqR We have generally traced these like we have with GPX without satellite; one average trace of the possible paths (since no one way is really more important thatn the others). So we would like some sort of tag to add additionally to not that in addition to being a highway=whatever this road is not a simple centerline, but rather just an average and you shouldn't try to follow it exactly (or necessarily expect to be able to follow it exactly). As Andrew Buck in #hot noted, 'they are useful for understanding the level of economic development in the area since they are sometimes caused simply by the lack of someone actually building road (although in most cases it just doesn't even make sense to build one)'. Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? Regards, will ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: ** On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 01:41 +, Dave F. wrote: Hi Around my area in the UK a user is presently adding bicycle=no to all motorways. There was a discussion a while back whether it that tag was implied for motorways. If I remember, it was claimed there were some places (not UK) that allowed bicycles. What was the consensus? I'm not sure it's necessary. I think it should be implied bicycle=yes added if they are allowed. I did mail the mapper who added these and got the following reply. Because I want to. My edits are not vandalism, they are correct and so why I am doing them is not really germane now is it?. His deliberate choice of complex words that, I had to google. Had me thinking muppet. In my mind the restriction is in the name, Motor-way, Auto-bahn, Auto-route, Auto-Strada. I have driven on the first 3, and none allow cyclists. Where do we stop, if we override the implied tags do we then have to add pedestrian=no horse=no invalid_carriage=no learner_driver=no hgv_learner=yes tracked_vehicle=no agricultural_vehicle=no and so on. More detail is not a bad thing. In countries where cyclists are allowed I do wonder if they are really motorway, I mean legally, signposted, or if cyclists are allowed are they expressways and then maybe tagged as trunk. In the US and Canada, it varies. Oregon figures you're bright enough to know you're entering an expressway or freeway. Other places, such as California, Washington, and IIRC Texas, post EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCE or FREEWAY ENTRANCE right at the start of the ramp (though they all allow bicycles on some freeways; banned modes are signposted at the entrance). Oklahoma DOT doesn't post such signs, but prohibits nonmotorized access from highways with a minimum speed limit except when posted otherwise (in theory, there's a few such roads posted as a bike route, but I haven't found them yet), and annoyingly, doesn't post that a road has a minimum until you're well beyond a point of no return (and sometimes throws one on mid-block on an expressway without warning, so unless you know the road well, you get trapped by it). Though, the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority does post, and on large, easily noticable signs, maximum legal widths, heights, weights, and modes (often explicitly banning pedestrians, bicycles, motor scooters, farm implements and animals). Last I heard, the consensus was reached: When it doubt, tag explicitly. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Power generation refinement proposal
Hi folks, Thanks to don-vip authorization, I've edited the power generation refinement proposal on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement Since he doesn't want to support it, the goal is to update this stuff and submit it to vote, once again. Don't hesitate to get involved on the discussion page to propose new items or *solve unresolved* topics. All resolved topics should only be edited in case of strong changes in reality to avoid endless debates. For now, I think 1 month may be sufficient to get a complete RFC, ready for vote procedure. So vote may begin the 11th march, 2013. Cheers, François. -- *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
2013/2/10 william skora skorasau...@gmail.com: Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. Here is one example: http://binged.it/Y2XLqR We have generally traced these like we have with GPX without satellite; one average trace of the possible paths (since no one way is really more important thatn the others). So we would like some sort of tag to add additionally to not that in addition to being a highway=whatever this road is not a simple centerline, but rather just an average and you shouldn't try to follow it exactly (or necessarily expect to be able to follow it exactly). As Andrew Buck in #hot noted, 'they are useful for understanding the level of economic development in the area since they are sometimes caused simply by the lack of someone actually building road (although in most cases it just doesn't even make sense to build one)'. Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? IMHO in first approximation it would be OK to simply draw one of these (to create the connection, the most useful part) and eventually in a later state you could add more of them. The fact that they run parallelly doesn't mean each of them isn't a (high)way which could be mapped on its own. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/10 william skora skorasau...@gmail.com: Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. Here is one example: http://binged.it/Y2XLqR We have generally traced these like we have with GPX without satellite; one average trace of the possible paths (since no one way is really more important thatn the others). So we would like some sort of tag to add additionally to not that in addition to being a highway=whatever this road is not a simple centerline, but rather just an average and you shouldn't try to follow it exactly (or necessarily expect to be able to follow it exactly). As Andrew Buck in #hot noted, 'they are useful for understanding the level of economic development in the area since they are sometimes caused simply by the lack of someone actually building road (although in most cases it just doesn't even make sense to build one)'. Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? IMHO in first approximation it would be OK to simply draw one of these (to create the connection, the most useful part) and eventually in a later state you could add more of them. The fact that they run parallelly doesn't mean each of them isn't a (high)way which could be mapped on its own. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging I agree that it would make sense to map all of them. After all, in a city with streets arranged in a grid, streets run parallel to each other, often less than 100 meters apart, and offer multiple routes to reach the same approximate destination, yet we map all of them, not an average route that doesn't correspond exactly to any of them. Now, if you were mapping footpaths separated by only a meter or two, mapping an averaged path would make more sense. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging 'averaged' paths in rural Mali
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:46:43 william skora wrote: Hey everyone, As you may know, HOT is currently mapping infrastructure in Mali. In flat rual areas, there are some 'highways' (unpaved ground) that are very close to each other (up to ~100 meters ) that all lead to the same villages or destinations. snip Do you have any suggestions of how to tag these ways ? Regards, will How about drawing a single 'representative' way as you have been doing, and adding width=100? Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
