Re: [Tagging] State of repair tag
I've just found the HOT tag 'operational_statushttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/operational_status ' This addresses a similar need, but it does not have a wiki page. How about: operational_status=broken (usable for it intended purpose) operational_status=needs repair (usable, but impaired) operational_status=open(in good state of repair) operational_status:note= (human readable elaboration on the operational status) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] State of repair tag
2013/6/11 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com I've just found the HOT tag 'operational_statushttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/operational_status ' This addresses a similar need, but it does not have a wiki page. How about: operational_status=broken (usable for it intended purpose) operational_status=needs repair (usable, but impaired) operational_status=open(in good state of repair) operational_status:note= (human readable elaboration on the operational status) -1, IMHO this is flawed, as it requires from everybody to check for this tag: if you make a map and ignore this tag you will put something not working on the map as if it was working. Imagine amenity=hospital, operational_status=broken or highway=bridge, operational_status=broken This approach has the same problem as the tags disused, abandoned, status, ruins, construction, ... better use a prefix or suffix to avoid misinterpretation. See the wiki for the mentioned tags to learn more. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?
fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com writes: Having been away from this for a bit, I would propose: Add a landuse=reservoir_protection (or some other name, not in use) to be for the landuse of a parcel that is used for containing a reservoir and protection zones. (I have an attitude that landuse will often align with parcel boundaries.) There are already protected areas under boundary [1]. So reservoirs would be class eleven or 15. This is perhaps not really the right place to discuss, but I think boundary=protected_area is off. The basic issue is that we (I) are trying to denote landuse, not boundary. Rendering the inside of a boundary as an area just seems incorrect to me; boundaries are linear features. And protected_area is a kitchen sink concept. I was looking for a more tight definition of landuse=reservoir which would not include the whole flooding area but the area which primary use is the reservoir including the water, the dam and any facility like a tool shed. I think this is the crux of the issue. I am referring to reservoirs which are hard to tell from lakes, other than the public water supply - no trespassing signs. pgpvxuCRTeBBq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
FYI : You may also have a look at the OsmFlickr service http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Flickr http://demo.3liz.com/osmflickr/ It works the other way around. 2013/6/11 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com I'm interested in revisiting the issue of attaching links to photographs in OSM via tag. There's an ancient stale proposal at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image But no hint of why the proposal was abandoned, or any of the points of debate. There seems to be little push demand based for photos on taginfo: - photo=(5) image:flickr=(3) flickr=(18) image=(332) wikipedia:image=(12) wetap:photo=(108) source:image=Yahoo (200) (useless) FG:photo=(529) (useless) Open Street View and its mailing list kind of kick around: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.photos - I contributed the 108 wetap:photo nodes. roughly 25% of the total images links in OSM. You can view these as pink dots at http://www.wetap.org ). The downside issues seem similar to the website= tag, in that it could attract spam or inappropriate links. The upside is that it can make for richer mapping. As URL links there is no server storage cost to the OSM project. Where do photo links stand? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- ab_fab http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ab_fab Il n'y a pas de pas perdus, Nadja ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] State of repair tag
I've just found the HOT tag 'operational_statushttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/operational_status ' This addresses a similar need, but it does not have a wiki page. For discussion on operational_status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/operational_status Found from here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Discussions How about: operational_status=broken (usable for it intended purpose) operational_status=needs repair (usable, but impaired) operational_status=open(in good state of repair) operational_status:note= (human readable elaboration on the operational status) -1, IMHO this is flawed, as it requires from everybody to check for this tag: if you make a map and ignore this tag you will put something not working on the map as if it was working. Imagine amenity=hospital, operational_status=broken or highway=bridge, operational_status=broken This approach has the same problem as the tags disused, abandoned, status, ruins, construction, ... better use a prefix or suffix to avoid misinterpretation. See the wiki for the mentioned tags to learn more. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?
Am 11.06.2013 15:00, schrieb Greg Troxel: fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com writes: Having been away from this for a bit, I would propose: Add a landuse=reservoir_protection (or some other name, not in use) to be for the landuse of a parcel that is used for containing a reservoir and protection zones. (I have an attitude that landuse will often align with parcel boundaries.) There are already protected areas under boundary [1]. So reservoirs would be class eleven or 15. Class eleven is for drinking water like your example below. Class 15 is fro flodding like my example. This is perhaps not really the right place to discuss, but I think boundary=protected_area is off. The basic issue is that we (I) are trying to denote landuse, not boundary. Rendering the inside of a boundary as an area just seems incorrect to me; boundaries are linear features. And protected_area is a kitchen sink concept. They define an area like a national reserve or park but also low priority protections. Please think of a flooding area which primary landuse might be forest or meadow. I was looking for a more tighter definition of landuse=reservoir which would not include the whole flooding area but the area which primary use is the reservoir including the water, the dam and any facility like a tool shed. I think this is the crux of the issue. I am referring to reservoirs which are hard to tell from lakes, other than the public water supply - no trespassing signs. So the water is tagged with water=reservoir (access=no) and we need a landuse value for the primary area around it. I do not like reservoir_protection though. Can we find a different name as I was thinking about protected areas. Maybe something simple like reservoir_ground or _area. My two ct fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?
2013/6/11 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com This is perhaps not really the right place to discuss, but I think boundary=protected_area is off. The basic issue is that we (I) are trying to denote landuse, not boundary. Rendering the inside of a boundary as an area just seems incorrect to me; boundaries are linear features. if this is your only problem with that tag, you won't have to render the boundary, you could conceptionally see it as rendering what is delimited by the boundary. And protected_area is a kitchen sink concept. could you expand on this? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] State of repair tag
2013/6/11 Brian Wolford worldwidewolf...@gmail.com I've just found the HOT tag 'operational_statushttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/operational_status ' This addresses a similar need, but it does not have a wiki page. For discussion on operational_status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/operational_status Please follow the links from that page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused These are namespaces, not attributes. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] State of repair tag
Note, however, that just because something is in need of repair does not necessarily mean that it is abandoned or disused. Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/11 Brian Wolford worldwidewolf...@gmail.com I've just found the HOT tag 'operational_statushttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/operational_status ' This addresses a similar need, but it does not have a wiki page. For discussion on operational_status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/operational_status Please follow the links from that page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused These are namespaces, not attributes. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Power generation refinement
Am 10.06.2013 19:31, schrieb François Lacombe: Hey François Thanks for your work I'm now pleased to announce the end of voting for the power generation proposal, as expected. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement This proposal is now accepted due to a large amount of yes (30 vs 2 cons). The goal is now to clean-up the wiki, with the new tags and values. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features#Post-vote_clean-up Many thanks for voting, contributing and completing this page. A big thank for Don-vip too to have created this proposal. +1 The next tricks are coming with the substation proposal (RFC) and the power transmission proposal (Draft) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement I already have two questions: 1. How am I supposed to tag a power=transformer on a node which is already tagged with power=*. 2. Please remove the part which says that you should not use power=tower for minor_lines. This is a problem of renderers but no tagging issue. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Power generation refinement
On 11/06/2013 17:08, fly wrote: The next tricks are coming with the substation proposal (RFC) and the power transmission proposal (Draft) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement I already have two questions: 1. How am I supposed to tag a power=transformer on a node which is already tagged with power=*. The substation proposal deals with that problem. It would be tagged as power=transformer + location=pole (for a pole mounted transformer). Thus there is no power=pole tag. 2. Please remove the part which says that you should not use power=tower for minor_lines. This is a problem of renderers but no tagging issue. It would be better to move this discussion to the discussion page of the transmission proposal (this thread is about the approved power plant proposal!) Ole ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] State of repair tag
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: -1, IMHO this is flawed, as it requires from everybody to check for this tag: if you make a map and ignore this tag you will put something not working on the map as if it was working. Imagine amenity=hospital, operational_status=broken or highway=bridge, operational_status=broken I'm seeking specifically that behavior you are calling flawed. A sticky gate in general should still be present on the map. The I-5 bridge in Washington is still visually a bridge, even though it should not route right now. A playground may have a broken swing, but still be a usable playground. A broken footbridge may be an annoyance, but the route is NOT discontiguous if you can simply step over a small stream. So I'm seeking lifecycle tags to represent things that need some form of repair attention, but are still a mappable thing. What tag would work for needs repair attention along with a comment about why? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:50 AM, René Kirchhoff rene-kirchh...@arcor.dewrote: Hello, see TagInfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=image There are not 322. There are 12 162... Ah, so there are. If I adpot and re-open for vote http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image Is there anything I should be considering? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
see http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=18lat=51.05419lon=13.73556layers=BFTTselect=n248573020 This is OSM-Node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/248573020 Here is image=File:Dresden Theaterplatz 138.JPG This is for the image: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dresden_Theaterplatz_138.JPG Can you recognize and understand the context? :D By René 2013/6/11 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com Is there anything I should be considering? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
On 6/11/13 4:01 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:50 AM, René Kirchhoff rene-kirchh...@arcor.dewrote: Hello, see TagInfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=image There are not 322. There are 12 162... Ah, so there are. If I adpot and re-open for vote http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image Is there anything I should be considering? i'm not sure that flickr links to jpgs are particularly stable, you may want to consider that in your documentation of a flickr link. flickr links these days look like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/8596790653/ and while you can dig up a direct link to a jpg, it looks like this: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8596790653_06bb215baf_k_d.jpg and i'm just not persuaded that flickr will honor this as a permanent link. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
Hello, we also use flickr: http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=18lon=7.21383lat=50.6656layers=BFTTselect=n259103401 This is Node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/259103401 Here is in image=http://www.flickr.com/photos/osmwolf/8624644661/ And we view on the Map the image-size s see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/osmwolf/8624644661/sizes/s/ from: http://www.flickr.com/photos/osmwolf/8624644661/sizes/l/ Gruß René 2013/6/11 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net i'm not sure that flickr links to jpgs are particularly stable, you may want to consider that in your documentation of a flickr link. flickr links these days look like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**nfgusedautoparts/8596790653/http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/8596790653/ and while you can dig up a direct link to a jpg, it looks like this: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/**8366/8596790653_06bb215baf_k_**d.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8596790653_06bb215baf_k_d.jpg and i'm just not persuaded that flickr will honor this as a permanent link. richard ___ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
More informations in German about image=* http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Historische_Objekte#Bildvorschau see Chapter: *Wikimedia-Commons-Bild-URL *and* * *flickr-Bild-URL * Gruß René* * ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
On 6/11/2013 4:18 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i'm not sure that flickr links to jpgs are particularly stable, you may want to consider that in your documentation of a flickr link. flickr links these days look like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/8596790653/ and while you can dig up a direct link to a jpg, it looks like this: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8596790653_06bb215baf_k_d.jpg and i'm just not persuaded that flickr will honor this as a permanent link. I can find the direct link by: More Ways To share / HTML/BBCode, then extract the image link: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8596790653_4a803cf407.jpg Flickr's official terms of service try to discourage direct links to images. So they might break them in the future. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
2013/6/11 René Kirchhoff rene-kirchh...@arcor.de This is OSM-Node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/248573020 Here is image=File:Dresden Theaterplatz 138.JPG wouldn't it be better to have all values tagged according to the same rules, i.e. use a fully qualified url for the image tag? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dresden_Theaterplatz_138.JPG cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Power generation refinement
Hi gentlemen, 2013/6/11 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl It would be better to move this discussion to the discussion page of the transmission proposal (this thread is about the approved power plant proposal!) Done, and proposal is up to date with that comment. Good night ! *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/8596790653/ and while you can dig up a direct link to a jpg, it looks like this: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8596790653_06bb215baf_k_d.jpg and i'm just not persuaded that flickr will honor this as a permanent link. I can find the direct link by: More Ways To share / HTML/BBCode, then extract the image link: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8596790653_4a803cf407.jpg Flickr's official terms of service try to discourage direct links to images. So they might break them in the future. right. there's extra stuff in that link, it looks like the extra stuff is different each time. there is absolutely no reason to believe that it's stable or permanent. the image link scheme, if it is to include flickr, cannot assume that the URL is a direct image link. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
On 6/11/13 4:38 PM, René Kirchhoff wrote: Hello, we also use flickr: http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=18lon=7.21383lat=50.6656layers=BFTTselect=n259103401 and that's fine. i was specifically commenting on the proposal that might be revived, and it clearly shows flickr links as ending in jpg i was just trying to be helpful in a response to a specific question about things in the revived proposal that need to be fixed. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery
A proposal for improving the current misleading definitions and misuse of bakeries and confectioneries and adding needed separation of bread bakeries from bakeries of other bakery goods for some regions is now ready for comment. The title is shop=bakery,bread_bakery,confectionery, but somehow was put as a Proposal/bread bakery directory and is found under S in the index as Proposal/bread bakery. :-) The link to the proposal page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal/bread_bakery The proposal came about from a discussion on the Tagging mailing list, that thread may be found at: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-June/013630.html Please read the thread for information on how the proposal go to its current form. Kudos belong to those who participated in that discussion for shaping and adding ideas to what became the proposal. Thank you fellow mappers! Murry (user CS Mur) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM
Thanks for bringing up this topic, it's also something I'd like to revive. In particular, when a new amenity is being added from one of our panoramic photos from customstreetview.com, I'd like to provide a reference back to that. For example, here's a fitness center from an area that has very little OSM data: http://www.customstreetview.com/130427154457?heading=132.08pitch=-3.96zoom=2.00 There are several unmapped businesses along this street in what is to me an iconic small town that I pass through regularly on my way to my mom's house. I'd love to see these photos used to populate more of the map. The UI we have for doing that now still needs some work, but I'm pretty excited about the Notes feature, and may implement that next. That way, local mappers could still actually add the nodes, but remote mappers can do some of the work of identifying businesses in the photo and their rough locations. Tac Tacelosky On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I'm interested in revisiting the issue of attaching links to photographs in OSM via tag. There's an ancient stale proposal at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image But no hint of why the proposal was abandoned, or any of the points of debate. There seems to be little push demand based for photos on taginfo: - photo=(5) image:flickr=(3) flickr=(18) image=(332) wikipedia:image=(12) wetap:photo=(108) source:image=Yahoo (200) (useless) FG:photo=(529) (useless) Open Street View and its mailing list kind of kick around: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.photos - I contributed the 108 wetap:photo nodes. roughly 25% of the total images links in OSM. You can view these as pink dots at http://www.wetap.org ). The downside issues seem similar to the website= tag, in that it could attract spam or inappropriate links. The upside is that it can make for richer mapping. As URL links there is no server storage cost to the OSM project. Where do photo links stand? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
