[Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread fly
Hey

Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for
broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice
task for a bot.

On the other hand, I wonder if it is useful to use type=* and not
tree_type=* or tree:type=* as type is the key for relations and it is
not that good to use different meanings of one key.

Cheers
fly

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Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread fly
Am 07.07.2013 18:33, schrieb fly:
 Hey
 
 Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for
 broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice
 task for a bot.

Sorry, numbers are towards leaved.

 On the other hand, I wonder if it is useful to use type=* and not
 tree_type=* or tree:type=* as type is the key for relations and it is
 not that good to use different meanings of one key.

Maybe tree=* would work, too.

I also spotted type=conifer and wood=coniferous. Would be better to use
the same value for both.

fly


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Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread John Sturdy
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hey

 Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for
 broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice
 task for a bot.


I'm pretty sure it's broad-leaved.  The other sounds only slightly wrong
to me, though.

__John (BE-speaker)
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Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 07.07.2013 18:47, fly wrote:
 Am 07.07.2013 18:33, schrieb fly:
 Hey

 Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for
 broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice
 task for a bot.
 
 Sorry, numbers are towards leaved.

Numbers are not necessarily meaningful due to imports. There were
several, for example the Girona import using leafed ...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5007703
... and the Vienna import using leaved:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14113662

That being said, I'm also very interested in learning the right
spelling so we can resolve this issue.

 On the other hand, I wonder if it is useful to use type=* and not
 tree_type=* or tree:type=* as type is the key for relations and it is
 not that good to use different meanings of one key.

+1

Tobias

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Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread John Sturdy
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Am 07.07.2013 18:33, schrieb fly:
  Hey
 
  Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for
  broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice
  task for a bot.

 Sorry, numbers are towards leaved.

  On the other hand, I wonder if it is useful to use type=* and not
  tree_type=* or tree:type=* as type is the key for relations and it is
  not that good to use different meanings of one key.


On further thought, I'd go for type=deciduous, rather than
broad-lea[fv]ed.  Not quite the same thing (I think larches are deciduous
but not broad-leaved) but I think it's the normal technical term (the
others being evergreen).

__John
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Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread Murry McEntire
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:59 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Am 07.07.2013 18:33, schrieb fly:
  Hey
 
  Could an BE-speaking person please tell me what the right spelling for
  broad_leafed is. Numbers are almost even in the data. Probably, a nice
  task for a bot.

 Sorry, numbers are towards leaved.

  On the other hand, I wonder if it is useful to use type=* and not
  tree_type=* or tree:type=* as type is the key for relations and it is
  not that good to use different meanings of one key.


 On further thought, I'd go for type=deciduous, rather than
 broad-lea[fv]ed.  Not quite the same thing (I think larches are deciduous
 but not broad-leaved) but I think it's the normal technical term (the
 others being evergreen).

 __John



+1

I suspect the intent was to tag deciduous trees rather than broadleaf(v)ed
trees. There are a number of broadleaf evergreens.  Good luck on leafed vs.
leaved - some British dictionaries list one as a definition for the other
:-)

Murry (not a British English speaker)
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Re: [Tagging] type for natural=tree (leaved - leafed)

2013-07-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 07.07.2013 18:59, John Sturdy wrote:
 On further thought, I'd go for type=deciduous, rather than
 broad-lea[fv]ed.  Not quite the same thing (I think larches are
 deciduous but not broad-leaved) but I think it's the normal technical
 term (the others being evergreen).

That would make the transition quite hard - the current data is based on
a different distinction and, as you say, the two are not
equivalent. Perhaps more importantly, broad-leaved vs. coniferous is the
obvious visual distinction and therefore more useful for rendering and
easier to identify without botanical knowledge (except in winter).

A separate tag (deciduous=yes/no?) would make more sense because the two
attributes are orthogonal.

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