Re: [Tagging] RFC: Japanese address, place revise (Block system address)
Perhaps this is one of those "a picture is worth a thousand words" type situations. I know that the Japanese system for addressing is quite different than the system we think of in the West. Can you perhaps show us what a map of addresses looks like in another map, and then show an OSM example of what your proposal would look like? Obviously the most important community that this needs to make sense to are local (Japanese) mappers, but it might be nice if the rest of us understood as well. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] RFC: Japanese address, place revise (Block system address)
Hi, list I'm working on expressing Japanese address structure. Also, revising "place" structure. We JP had collected samples, and made a structure from them. Please tell us your comments. (I'm preparing wiki page editing) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApY7X6fw8sqxdDNjY1FBeG00TlRZSFoxU2xwOHVCb0E#gid=1 * Block addressing System In general "Block Address System" structure, it could be compatible between "addr:street" and "addr:blocknumber". It is simple :) * JP Situation JP address system are very messy. Since it is a mixture of general "Block Number System" and "from Old Cadestra System". Some local governments treats Cadestra as Address representation. So, many many exceptions are there. But IMHO, the whole structural order is simple. * Key proposal addr:blocknumber subprovince (as "place" structure) Using "quarter" (as "place" and "addr:quarter" structure) * Challanges 1. Using key "quarter" I understand that "place=quarter" is under proposal, and non-recommended key. Please tell me if there are some another choice. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/place%3Dquarter In Japan, neighbourhood is divided "upper" and "lower". So I use "quarter" as represent "Upper Neighbourhood". Should we use another word to represent "Upper Neighbourhood"? (e.g. "neighbourhood" and "subneighbourhood" come to mind) "Upper" and "Lower" are very separated ones, so they are difficult to merge as one "neighbourhood", I think. 2. subprovince We would like to use it as structural order. 3. addr:housenumber may contain "NULL" In some case, "addr:housenumber" contain "NULL". (in fact, it seems as 1 or 1-1. But numbers are vanished, even in public description) Is it permissive? * reference pages http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr Regards. -- Satoshi IIDA mail: nyamp...@gmail.com twitter: @nyampire ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
I was confused by the term "land lot." Obviously a cultural difference. Perhaps the proposal could give a more detailed description of what a "land lot" is. Mike On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Wolfgang Zenker wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> * Serge Wroclawski [130918 00:53]: >> >>> 1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been >>> discussed many times. >> >> >> this might be a case of the UK and the US being separated by a common >> language. We are talking about allotments here, not parcels, which are >> something completely different. We DO map allotments in OSM since, well, >> a long time ago. Taking this to one more level of detail by going to >> individual plots is to much micromapping for my taste, but tastes are >> different ... >> >> 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is what >>> landuse is for. >> >> >> Allotments are by definition cultivated >> gardens, so landuse=allotments >> is IMHO in the right place in tag space. The proposed plots would be a >> subdivision of the allotments area, so putting it in landuse MIGHT be ok. >> >> Wolfgang >> >> -- >> >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > The equivalent American term is a "community garden". > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: > only light can do that. > Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." > Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > Hi, > > * Serge Wroclawski [130918 00:53]: > > 1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been > > discussed many times. > > this might be a case of the UK and the US being separated by a common > language. We are talking about allotments here, not parcels, which are > something completely different. We DO map allotments in OSM since, > well, > a long time ago. Taking this to one more level of detail by going to > individual plots is to much micromapping for my taste, but tastes are > different ... > > > 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is > what > > landuse is for. > > Allotments are by definition cultivated gardens, so landuse=allotments > is IMHO in the right place in tag space. The proposed plots would be a > subdivision of the allotments area, so putting it in landuse MIGHT be > ok. > > Wolfgang > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging The equivalent American term is a "community garden". -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been discussed many times. 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is what landuse is for. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Hi, * Serge Wroclawski [130918 00:53]: > 1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been > discussed many times. this might be a case of the UK and the US being separated by a common language. We are talking about allotments here, not parcels, which are something completely different. We DO map allotments in OSM since, well, a long time ago. Taking this to one more level of detail by going to individual plots is to much micromapping for my taste, but tastes are different ... > 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is what > landuse is for. Allotments are by definition cultivated gardens, so landuse=allotments is IMHO in the right place in tag space. The proposed plots would be a subdivision of the allotments area, so putting it in landuse MIGHT be ok. Wolfgang ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot
Hi, For your consideration, please read and comment on my proposal to improve the way that allotments, particularly plots on allotments are tagged. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplot Thanks, Lukas Hornby (Developer - Grow Bradford) http://www.growbradford.org.uk/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)
Daniel wrote: > - Make it easier to edit the wiki. Hi Daniel, I agree - the wiki can be hard to edit if you have never done this before. This is why I requested a visual editor (that is now used by Wikipedia) to be added. Unfortunately this requires an update to the version of MediaWiki that we use so is not a simple case of installing a plug-in. Hopefully it will be picked up sooner rather than later but in a volunteer based project patience is essential :-) https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4920 Regards, Rob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] mailing list good practice (user's and software's)
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 01:02:23AM +0200, André Pirard wrote: > > list) does not seem to add those headers (in fact, they seem to be > > removed from outgoing mails, I cannot find those fields like below). > You're right, my main gripe is against the mailing list software mailman > itself because it does not allow HTML. It does archive a HTML version of > the archive but when you look at it on the server you see HTML code. > By "allow HTML", I mean "simple HTML": text style, lists, tables etc, > not eccentric showy stuff. > I've sent an e-mail to mailman about this and they replied > > * that we, technical people, do not need HTML because we don't use it > much. e-mails are plain ASCII and schould stay that way. Every HTML mail is an attachment and i for one cant read it, and wont read it as i am using mutt and HTML is a PITA. There is a good reason why high volume mailing lists like e.h. the linux kernel mailinglists simply bounce HTML. Its an unmanagable mess ... Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] mailing list good practice (user's and software's)
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 01:02:23AM +0200, André Pirard wrote: > On 2013-09-16 11:52, Glenn Plas wrote : > > If you want to be serious about this then a new topic should be > > initiated by sending a new mail instead of a reply with a new > > subject. Every decent mailclient out there -usually- does not use the > > subject to 'thread' mails. instead it uses certain fields in the mail > > headers. I noticed that mail-man (the mailing list handler of THIS > > list) does not seem to add those headers (in fact, they seem to be > > removed from outgoing mails, I cannot find those fields like below). > You're right, my main gripe is against the mailing list software mailman > itself because it does not allow HTML. Please, please no. HTML should only be in an attachment if and only if it cannot be avoided. Apart from bloat, it is a security risk. Email != HTML. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
