Re: [Tagging] access=exclusion_zone

2013-10-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
Looking at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusion_zone
it would be justified to have a separate tag for exclusion zones, but it
would need additional tagging to specify the nature of the exclusion zone.
This is not reflected in the Wiki tag description.

Volker
(Italy)


On 30 October 2013 00:04, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On 29.10.2013 23:05, martinq wrote:
  Hi,
 
  have I missed some discussion on a list, wiki or forum -- or has
  access=exclusion_zone been added to the wiki
  (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access) without proper
  discussion (voting process)?

 Do not know anything about it. Did you try to contact the user who added
 the value ?


  I do not see any significant difference of the new value compared to the
  already existing access=no or access=private.

 +1

 cu fly

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Re: [Tagging] access=exclusion_zone

2013-10-30 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi!

2013/10/29 martinq osm-mart...@fantasymail.de

 Hi,

 have I missed some discussion on a list, wiki or forum -- or has
 access=exclusion_zone been added to the wiki (
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access) without proper discussion
 (voting process)?


Same here - never heard about it.



 I do not see any significant difference of the new value compared to the
 already existing access=no or access=private.


Me neither. This should be removed again and put into a proper proposal.
The tag is used 5 times currently and was added all by one user:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794093
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794065
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794088
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794096
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794117

Anyone already contacted the user?

Martin
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Re: [Tagging] access=exclusion_zone

2013-10-30 Thread Colin Smale
 

The tag used in the examples is military=exclusion_zone, whereas it has
been documented as access=exclusion_zone. The tagging makes sense in my
eyes, but the wiki needs bringing in line. 

Colin 

On 2013-10-30 09:08, Martin Vonwald wrote: 

 Hi!
 
 2013/10/29 martinq osm-mart...@fantasymail.de
 
 Hi,
 
 have I missed some discussion on a list, wiki or forum -- or has 
 access=exclusion_zone been added to the wiki 
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access [1]) without proper 
 discussion (voting process)?
 
 Same here - never heard about it.
 
 I do not see any significant difference of the new value compared to the 
 already existing access=no or access=private.
 
 Me neither. This should be removed again and put into a proper proposal. 
 The tag is used 5 times currently and was added all by one user: 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794093 [3]
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794065 [4]
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794088 [5]
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794096 [6]
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794117 [7]
 
 Anyone already contacted the user?
 
 Martin 
 
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[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794093
[4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794065
[5] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794088
[6] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794096
[7] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/164794117
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Re: [Tagging] access=exclusion_zone

2013-10-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/30 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl

 The tag used in the examples is military=exclusion_zone, whereas it has
 been documented as access=exclusion_zone. The tagging makes sense in my
 eyes, but the wiki needs bringing in line.


in the meantime I removed access=exclusion_zone from the
access-tag-description in the wiki, as this is currently not used at all
(globally there are 5 military=exclusion_zone though). It this tag should
be proposed better set up a proposal page. Mapfeatures should reflect
actual usage and/or voting, but neither has been done here.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-30 Thread fly
One possibility to state your opinion is JOSM ticket #9158 [1]. If
logged in, you can vote on every page.

Cheers fly


[1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9158

On 07.10.2013 18:09, fly wrote:

 I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways.
 
 At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the
 existence of some.
 
 You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus ways
 with vehicle=no. E.g. it is useless. Either you are allowed to ride
 (bicycle=yes/designated) or not (bicycle=no or vehicle=no)
 
 I can understand if it is used together with barrier on nodes.
 
 How is the situation in other countries ?
 
 
 Cheers fly
 


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[Tagging] man_made monitoring_station: start of voting on merged proposal

2013-10-30 Thread malenki
Voting on the announced merged proposal is open.
(3.5 years should be sufficient for comments :) )
Link:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monitoring_station

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