Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?
Thanks Frank for pointing this out. Indeed bell_cage could be a better tag than belfry. Volker On 7 February 2014 23:49, Frank Little wrote: > "St Niklaas" wrote: > >> Volker and Dave, There some in Holland as well, about 230 in totall. >> http://nl.ask.com/wiki/Lijst_van_klokkenstoelen_in_ >> Nederland?qsrc=3044&lang=nl >> >>> >>> Many of these without a surrounding tower structure are tagged as > man_made=bell_cage. > There's a page for this proposed feature on the wiki here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bell_cage > And the overpass-turbo is here: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2rk > > (Same post, but this time in the thread; sorry about that; > Just replied to St Niklaas without looking where it went.) > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?
"St Niklaas" wrote: Volker and Dave, There some in Holland as well, about 230 in totall. http://nl.ask.com/wiki/Lijst_van_klokkenstoelen_in_Nederland?qsrc=3044&lang=nl Many of these without a surrounding tower structure are tagged as man_made=bell_cage. There's a page for this proposed feature on the wiki here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bell_cage And the overpass-turbo is here: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2rk (Same post, but this time in the thread; sorry about that; Just replied to St Niklaas without looking where it went.) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 53, Issue 13
"St Niklaas" wrote: Volker and Dave, There some in Holland as well, about 230 in totall. http://nl.ask.com/wiki/Lijst_van_klokkenstoelen_in_Nederland?qsrc=3044&lang=nl Many of these without a surrounding tower structure are tagged as man_made=bell_cage. There's a page for this proposed feature on the wiki here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bell_cage And the overpass-turbo is here: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2rk ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?
On 2/7/14, Colin Smale wrote: > Or perhaps belfry:bells=8 to indicate the number of > bells in the peal, or belfry:tenor=1000 for the weight of the largest > bell in kg (typical UK)? The weight of the tenor is significant to ringers (I'm a lapsed ringer myself) but giving it kg would be very alien to (British) ringers; the convention is to give it as hundredweight, quarters and pounds. That being said, I see that Dove's Guide (the publication listing change-ringing towers) now gives kg as well; for example, http://dove.cccbr.org.uk/dove.php?searchString=Cambridge%2C+OLEM&Submit=+Go+ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 53, Issue 13
From: tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Tagging Digest, Vol 53, Issue 13 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:02:53 + > Today's Topics: > >4. Re: tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with > > The normal tagging for an English "Belltower", Italian "campanile", or > > German "Glockenturm" should remain man_made=tower + tower:type= bell_tower > > (it's used more then 5000 times). > > > > Volker Volker and Dave, There some in Holland as well, about 230 in totall. http://nl.ask.com/wiki/Lijst_van_klokkenstoelen_in_Nederland?qsrc=3044&lang=nl > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > End of Tagging Digest, Vol 53, Issue 13 > *** ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?
Here in Thailand we're having an extended discussion about towers that are associated with temples. I would suggest using man_made=tower in conjunction with tower:type=bell_tower for your situation. Our discussion is stuck on whether such structures are really towers and not monuments but in recent times we have used tower:type=stupa to describe the particular man_made towers that are associated with Buddhist temples or wats. It would be nice to gain some consistency in the description of these common structures. Cheers, Dave On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Strictly speaking belfry can mean either the whole tower or more > specifically the space where the bells are hung - usually near the top of a > tower. However I would suggest that in common English usage the word is > more closely associated with the "space" than with the "building." > > I would prefer to see building/tower/man_made refer to the building as a > whole, perhaps labelled as a "bell tower", with "belfry" referring to the > presence of a peal of bells. Perhaps belfry=yes/no, as many (former) bell > towers no longer have functional bells? (Is a belfry with no bells still a > belfry?) Or perhaps belfry:bells=8 to indicate the number of bells in the > peal, or belfry:tenor=1000 for the weight of the largest bell in kg > (typical UK)? The bells may also be a carillon, so belfry:carillon=yes? All > this is of course about the bells which are installed in the belfry which > is part of the bell tower. > > Colin > > > On 2014-02-07 14:28, alessandro zardo wrote: > > +1 > > > Il Venerdì 7 Febbraio 2014 13:11, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > The tag man_made=campanile documented in the wiki ( > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcampanile) > seems to be wrong as it refers to the swedish Klockstapel ( > https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klockstapel), which is completely different > from a "campanile" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower; > https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanile) > > As it's use is very limited (less than 150) it could still be corrected. > The closest concept in English that I can think of is "belfry", so I would > suggest man_made=belfry to replace man_made=campanile in the wiki for the > Scandinavian "Klockstapel", "Klokkestabel", "Kellotapuli", "Klokkestøpul", > for the German "Glockenstapel", and the Hungarian "Harangláb". > > The normal tagging for an English "Belltower", Italian "campanile", or > German "Glockenturm" should remain man_made=tower + tower:type= bell_tower > (it's used more then 5000 times). > > Volker > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing > listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?
Strictly speaking belfry can mean either the whole tower or more specifically the space where the bells are hung - usually near the top of a tower. However I would suggest that in common English usage the word is more closely associated with the "space" than with the "building." I would prefer to see building/tower/man_made refer to the building as a whole, perhaps labelled as a "bell tower", with "belfry" referring to the presence of a peal of bells. Perhaps belfry=yes/no, as many (former) bell towers no longer have functional bells? (Is a belfry with no bells still a belfry?) Or perhaps belfry:bells=8 to indicate the number of bells in the peal, or belfry:tenor=1000 for the weight of the largest bell in kg (typical UK)? The bells may also be a carillon, so belfry:carillon=yes? All this is of course about the bells which are installed in the belfry which is part of the bell tower. Colin On 2014-02-07 14:28, alessandro zardo wrote: > +1 > > Il Venerdì 7 Febbraio 2014 13:11, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > > The tag man_made=campanile documented in the wiki > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcampanile [2]) > seems to be wrong as it refers to the swedish Klockstapel > (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klockstapel [3]), which is completely > different from a "campanile" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower > [4]; https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanile [5]) > > As it's use is very limited (less than 150) it could still be corrected. > The closest concept in English that I can think of is "belfry", so I would > suggest man_made=belfry to replace man_made=campanile in the wiki for the > Scandinavian "Klockstapel", "Klokkestabel", "Kellotapuli", "Klokkestøpul", > for the German "Glockenstapel", and the Hungarian "Harangláb". > > The normal tagging for an English "Belltower", Italian "campanile", or German > "Glockenturm" should remain man_made=tower + tower:type= bell_tower (it's > used more then 5000 times). > > Volker > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [1] > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [1] Links: -- [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcampanile [3] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klockstapel [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower [5] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanile ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?
+1 Il Venerdì 7 Febbraio 2014 13:11, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: The tag man_made=campanile documented in the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcampanile) seems to be wrong as it refers to the swedish Klockstapel (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klockstapel), which is completely different from a "campanile" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower; https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanile) As it's use is very limited (less than 150) it could still be corrected. The closest concept in English that I can think of is "belfry", so I would suggest man_made=belfry to replace man_made=campanile in the wiki for the Scandinavian "Klockstapel", "Klokkestabel", "Kellotapuli", "Klokkestøpul", for the German "Glockenstapel", and the Hungarian "Harangláb". The normal tagging for an English "Belltower", Italian "campanile", or German "Glockenturm" should remain man_made=tower + tower:type= bell_tower (it's used more then 5000 times). Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] tag man_made=campanile to be replaced with man_made=belfry?
The tag man_made=campanile documented in the wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcampanile) seems to be wrong as it refers to the swedish Klockstapel ( https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klockstapel), which is completely different from a "campanile" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower; https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanile) As it's use is very limited (less than 150) it could still be corrected. The closest concept in English that I can think of is "belfry", so I would suggest man_made=belfry to replace man_made=campanile in the wiki for the Scandinavian "Klockstapel", "Klokkestabel", "Kellotapuli", "Klokkestøpul", for the German "Glockenstapel", and the Hungarian "Harangláb". The normal tagging for an English "Belltower", Italian "campanile", or German "Glockenturm" should remain man_made=tower + tower:type= bell_tower (it's used more then 5000 times). Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] speed cameras
> Am 07/feb/2014 um 10:57 schrieb Pieren : > > I second that. This case is not dramatic but we shouldn't decrease > data accuracy just because one of the data consumer doesn't fully > support our data modelling. +1 traffic_sign=city_limit is a similar case cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] speed cameras
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jo wrote: > So I'm in the process of correcting that once again. I also corrected the > wiki. Now it's up to the developers of OsmAND to properly use the node with > the from role from the enforcement relation as it was meant to be used. > Otherwise the users of this great software will not be very happy, when they > don't get warnings anymore, due to a faulty implementation wrt the way > information is converted between our way of tagging and their representation > of it. I second that. This case is not dramatic but we shouldn't decrease data accuracy just because one of the data consumer doesn't fully support our data modelling. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] speed cameras
Recently I noticed the speed cameras I've been adding a few years ago at exactly the positions they are (next to the street of couse, lest drivers would bump into them) have become part of the highways. So I'm in the process of correcting that once again. I also corrected the wiki. Now it's up to the developers of OsmAND to properly use the node with the from role from the enforcement relation as it was meant to be used. Otherwise the users of this great software will not be very happy, when they don't get warnings anymore, due to a faulty implementation wrt the way information is converted between our way of tagging and their representation of it. If it's too hard to work with those relations, it will be necessary to make an interpolation from the camera to the highway to determine a virtual node. Those enforcement relations were invented years ago because when one adds a speedcam as a node on the way, one can't know in what direction it's pointing and for which direction of traffic a warning is needed. I consider what has happened here as an unfortunate step backwards, causing information loss. Another problem we have is that some users who are using OSMAND like osmand_pieter don't respond to messages we send them about the faults in their way of tagging. It's not clear whether this is related to OSMAND itself. I also didn't try with iD yet. Hopefully this is not something caused by that editor. Polyglot ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
