[Tagging] Feature proposal - Remotely controlled devices - RFC
Hi, Just beside street cabinets proposal, I found interesting to introduce remotely controlled devices. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Remotely_controlled_devices As explained in this small proposal, our goal is to describe in which ways operators may interact with their devices (or networks, or any infrastructures). As you may see in examples, a large field of things is concerned. For sake of simplicity, information accessibility and verification, only physical layers (basically, antennas, wires, boxes) are described here. Only the terminal part, physically connected to the device, matters here. No control centres locations, no whole command control networks exposed. For now, the tag has only been used by myself. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/remotely_controllable Some values may miss in this document, feel free to give feedback on Talk page or add pictures in front of examples. Thank you. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Aerodrome types
I agree with using the key aerodrome to specify further the type of the aerodrome (instead of aerodrome:type=* or type=*). Related to this: An airport is a special kind of aerodrome, and I think it is poorly documented on the wiki how to tag it. Looking at taginfo, it becomes clear that international aerodromes can be tagged with aerodrome=international. I assume most (if not all) international aerodromes are public airports. Private aerodromes (common inside some farms in Brazil) would be aerodrome=private, and military aerodromes would be aerodrome=military. So far so good. It isn't as clear how to tag a normal public *airport.* Is there some consensus on this? I suppose a domestic airport could be tagged with aerodrome=domestic aerodrome=public could also work, as long as it becomes clear that aerodrome=international is also a public airport. There are other classifications of aerodromes present on taginfo that are not documented. 2014-06-30 12:54 GMT-03:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: Hello, I've recently reviewed some aerodromes in southern Brazil and, following some advice in the wiki [1], I've replaced the type tag with an aerodrome tag [2]. Do you agree that this is correct? Should we update tagging recommendations for aerodromes [3] and aeroways [4] in the wiki? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:type [2] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerodrome [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Daerodrome [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aeroways -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 Nullius in verba. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Aerodrome types
2014-07-02 18:32 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: An airport is a special kind of aerodrome, and I think it is poorly documented on the wiki how to tag it. From previous discussions I think I remember that it isn't clear what an airport is. Most if not all our aerodromes are probably airports, and also the helipads are probably airports according to the wikipedia definition of airport. Looking at taginfo, it becomes clear that international aerodromes can be tagged with aerodrome=international. I assume most (if not all) international aerodromes are public airports. What does an airport make international? If there once has flewn an aircraft into another country? Or must there be a scheduled flight into another country? Or a certain amount of such scheduled flights? Private aerodromes (common inside some farms in Brazil) would be aerodrome=private, and military aerodromes would be aerodrome=military. So far so good. is private about the ownership? Have a look at Fraport AG, the operator of Frankfurt Airport (biggest German airport) and traded at Frankfurt Stock Exchange. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraport it is both, publicly and privately owned (majority is public ownership currently), would the Frankfurt Airport become private in OSM if the government decided to sell a bigger share of it? airport=international;private? Previous discussions ended up with the conclusion that it would be better to have the details mapped (e.g. number and size/shape of runways, encompassing polygon (!) for the airport itself) so that you could elaborate this information to estimate the importance. Unfortunately it seems quite expensive to do this on the fly, hence the missing progress in airport rendering at low zoom scales so far. That's why I agree with you that some basic tags could help the renderer (e.g. osm-carto) to achieve better rendering. Even a very simple metric (airports bigger than x and mapped as an area) might already improve the current rendering situation. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Aerodrome types
Interesting questions! The way I see it, we don't need to get into the details of who owns it (whether it is a company or the government), but classify according to it's use. When I say airport, I mean the kind of aerodrome the average person can use, usually with some stores and airflight companies. We could use aerodrome=domestic for normal airports instead of aerodrome=public, to avoid the need to consider who owns it. Most international airports in Brazil actually have internacional in it's official name. It means they have regular international flights. There are some normal airports that may receive international flights when *needed*, but they aren't known as international and I don't think they should be tagged as such (though they are classified as international alternative by the government). In my POV, an aerodrome with aerodrome=private would be an aerodrome used exclusively for transporting goods or people related to a company, or or privately owned by a big farm. I think ideally these shouldn't be tagged as aerodrome=international, even if it's the case. I believe aerodrome=military is self-explanatory, i.e. used for military operations and/or research. I'm not sure about other types of aerodrome=*. I don't know that much about this. I'm sure there can be other cases that don't easily fit with what I mentioned. 2014-07-02 14:05 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-07-02 18:32 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: An airport is a special kind of aerodrome, and I think it is poorly documented on the wiki how to tag it. From previous discussions I think I remember that it isn't clear what an airport is. Most if not all our aerodromes are probably airports, and also the helipads are probably airports according to the wikipedia definition of airport. Looking at taginfo, it becomes clear that international aerodromes can be tagged with aerodrome=international. I assume most (if not all) international aerodromes are public airports. What does an airport make international? If there once has flewn an aircraft into another country? Or must there be a scheduled flight into another country? Or a certain amount of such scheduled flights? Private aerodromes (common inside some farms in Brazil) would be aerodrome=private, and military aerodromes would be aerodrome=military. So far so good. is private about the ownership? Have a look at Fraport AG, the operator of Frankfurt Airport (biggest German airport) and traded at Frankfurt Stock Exchange. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraport it is both, publicly and privately owned (majority is public ownership currently), would the Frankfurt Airport become private in OSM if the government decided to sell a bigger share of it? airport=international;private? Previous discussions ended up with the conclusion that it would be better to have the details mapped (e.g. number and size/shape of runways, encompassing polygon (!) for the airport itself) so that you could elaborate this information to estimate the importance. Unfortunately it seems quite expensive to do this on the fly, hence the missing progress in airport rendering at low zoom scales so far. That's why I agree with you that some basic tags could help the renderer (e.g. osm-carto) to achieve better rendering. Even a very simple metric (airports bigger than x and mapped as an area) might already improve the current rendering situation. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas
Am 01.07.2014 12:34, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: On 1 July 2014 11:25, Janko Mihelic' jan...@gmail.com mailto:jan...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm right, this will mostly affect pedestrian areas (highway=pedestrian + area=yes) that have buildings mapped over them. Yes, that's correct. Did you consider buildings that are - at least partly - raised on pillars/columns with a pedestrian area underneath? Georg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Aerodrome types
I don't like this way of mapping. There might be some overlaps, what if one aerodrome has a military and a public part? I would rather use separate tags like: aeroway=aerodrome access=private/public landuse=military international_flights=yes/no ... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
