Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-08-01 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2014-08-01 at 00:05:38 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
  how do you tag an italian pasticceria? (of the kind that also serves 
  coffee and read-to-eat pastry, not the laboratori di pasticceria 
  where you buy things to bring home / elsewhere.
 I don't recall, haven't seen many of them, I guess amenity=cafe would be it, 
 or sometimes they're a bar as well?  

I don't think they sell alcoiholic drinks, so yes, amenity=cafe sounds 
more appropriate, but then aren't gelaterie close to this concept 
(except with gelato instead of pastry)

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Re: [Tagging] Multistory medical office building

2014-08-01 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
If the building carries a common name for all the offices I would tag it
with amenity=clinic. Otherwise each office with amenity=doctors.
You can dig the wiki for indoor mapping advice, level on which the office
is is perhaps level=# (can't remember w/out verifying).

Cheers,
-Jaakko
On Jul 31, 2014 4:50 PM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes it's separate. It's across the street from a small hospital.
 On Jul 31, 2014 3:45 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is this a building completely separate from a hospital? I encounter these
 buildings as part of a hospital complex and so include them in an area
 tagged with amenity=hospital.


 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Hans De Kryger 
 hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wondering how to tag a 2 story medical office building. It has many
 doctors offices. To many to place poi's one upon another on the building.
 In need of help?
 *Regards,*

 *Hans*


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Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-08-01 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Jesse B. Crawford je...@jbcrawford.us wrote:
 As a perhaps helpful example, near my old home in Portland, OR, USA there
 was a retreat facility operated by the catholic diocese. It featured
 extensive grounds that you might call a park, except that they were fenced
 and intended for religious or reflective use, with shrines and such placed
 throughout.

I think that landuse=religous would be appropriate for this.

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Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-08-01 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 31.07.2014 17:17, Jesse B. Crawford wrote:
 As a perhaps helpful example, near my old home in Portland, OR, USA there
 was a retreat facility operated by the catholic diocese. It featured
 extensive grounds that you might call a park, except that they were fenced
 and intended for religious or reflective use, with shrines and such placed
 throughout. This is visible in iD
 at 
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?relation=186579#map=18/45.49915/-122.61703,
 and you will see that it is currently not marked with any polygon (although
 there is a point for the church and school with the same operator).
 
 I think there should be a polygon for this site, but a 'park' tagging is not
 really appropriate since it is not open to the public and not intended for
 many of the uses of a park anyway (e.g. you wouldn't run your dog there).
 But I'm not sure how it being out of public access changes the situation.

There are many private parks, e.g. around castles or mansions owned by rich
people such as popstar Madonna. I would say that a park is just a recreation
ground with a mosaic of trees, footways, and lawns. Whether it is public or
not, we can specify with access=* tags. I also know of some public parks
where it is forbidden to unleash dogs, because they are not wanted to shit
in the lawns and flower-beds.

Reflective use is not limited to relogious thoughts. Some people reflect on
their jobs, their families, their hobbies etc. or they compose poetry or music.

In your example, the whole area is inside and certainly part of a
residential area, although the school is not primarily used for living. But
it is not primarily used for religion either. The school actually has
nothing to do with religion, except that it is owned by a diocese. Around 5%
of Austrian forests are owned by the catholic church. Does that make a
religious use?

The buildings in the middle and in the northeastern corner of the area look
residential on the arial image.  There's a park in the northern half of the
area. I can imagine that there are plenty of shrines, chapels and alike in
the park. But after all, it's a park. These kind of parks exist here in
Austria too, e.g. adjacent to monasteries. These parks are somewhat dark and
spooky due to the big old trees which have grown over centuries.

In my home district, there is a facility similar to yours, also containing a
church and a school:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/78589643

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Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-08-01 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 31.07.2014 11:54, Marc Gemis wrote:
 Didn't JOSM include landuse=religion in the latest version ?

An editor bug sounds like a good explanation for the occurencies of that
erroneous tag in the database.

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Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-08-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-01 12:36 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at:

 On 31.07.2014 11:54, Marc Gemis wrote:
  Didn't JOSM include landuse=religion in the latest version ?

 An editor bug sounds like a good explanation for the occurencies of that
 erroneous tag in the database.


a) It is a really recent change b) You may dislike this feature but it is
not a bug.
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Re: [Tagging] convert imported natural=rock areas to bare_rock

2014-08-01 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 12.07.2014 09:59, Christoph Hormann wrote:
 Based on this it would probably not be a good idea to mechanically 
 re-tag these to natural=bare_rock but this is something that should be 
 discussed at the appropriate place (i.e. in imports).  In my opinion 
 these areas would need manual reviewing and fixing before any 
 meaningful tags can be applied.  In many cases it might be easier to 
 remap the area from scratch.

This is really something that cannot be done immediately. So I gave up the
plan for a straighforward data cleanup and essentially excluded it from my
proposal. If there are no objections, I'll proceed to voting in a week or so.
Here's the link again:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/natural%3Drock_cleanup

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Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-08-01 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 01.08.2014 14:31, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
 2014-08-01 12:36 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at
 mailto:b...@volki.at:
 
 On 31.07.2014 11 tel:31.07.2014%2011:54, Marc Gemis wrote:
  Didn't JOSM include landuse=religion in the latest version ?
 
 An editor bug sounds like a good explanation for the occurencies of that
 erroneous tag in the database.
 
 
 a) It is a really recent change b) You may dislike this feature but it is
 not a bug.

It is a bug because that tag is not approved. An editor should allow
*manual* input of non-standard tags, but any hardcoded inclusion in select
lists or whatever is an evil propagation by which editor developers bypass
the proper proposal process, bullying the community, disrespecting their
democratic rights.

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