[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
Hi, Thanks for providing these links. My comments inline below. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:00:00 +0200 From: Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens Message-ID: CAKjckOn Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, cakjckypeq0dtrr-ydwb5hxve44pwmbznk4jy7rp7rwmekwk...@mail.gmail.com tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Re: Tag for livestocks pens (Martin Vonwald) Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. This should help: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=animal_keeping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping Best regards, Martin Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them remains important), what would lead to just put a node, but this is incompatible with the landuse key. And I do not feel logical to draw a polygon that does not represent the reality. I am wondering if for a node we could not use the combination of: animal_keeping=yes (or animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested and if a polygon is doable: barrier=fence landuse=animal_keeping animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested What do you think? Sincerely, Severin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140907/01ebf5d3/attachment-0001.html -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- End of Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 18 *** ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
FYI, according to taginfo (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse) landuse is already used 226 432 times on a node. So not everybody thinks it is incompatible with nodes. regards m On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for providing these links. My comments inline below. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:00:00 +0200 From: Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens Message-ID: CAKjckOn Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, cakjckypeq0dtrr-ydwb5hxve44pwmbznk4jy7rp7rwmekwk...@mail.gmail.com tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Re: Tag for livestocks pens (Martin Vonwald) Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. This should help: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=animal_keeping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping Best regards, Martin Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them remains important), what would lead to just put a node, but this is incompatible with the landuse key. And I do not feel logical to draw a polygon that does not represent the reality. I am wondering if for a node we could not use the combination of: animal_keeping=yes (or animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested and if a polygon is doable: barrier=fence landuse=animal_keeping animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested What do you think? Sincerely, Severin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140907/01ebf5d3/attachment-0001.html -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- End of Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 18 *** ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
2014-09-08 14:24 GMT+02:00 Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com: Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them remains important), I think livestocks usually would classify as either farmland or farmyard landuse. I would not go for a subtype of these on the first level, but rather use something specific for the feature (like stable, grazing/pasture, henhouse etc.) and maybe also a subtag like farmland=livestock or farmland:type=livestock. Why did you choose the plural livestocks? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
2014-09-08 14:44 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: FYI, according to taginfo (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse) landuse is already used 226 432 times on a node. So not everybody thinks it is incompatible with nodes. FYI, also area:highway is used occassionally on nodes, but it doesn't make any sense... area=yes is currently used on 3446 nodes ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 5 floating bridges
Subject: Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 5 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:29:42 + Today's Topics: 1. Re: Feature Proposal - Voting - nudism (John Packer) 2. Feature Proposal - RFC - cliff clarification (Friedrich Volkmann) 3. Re: floating or pontoon bridges? (Volker Schmidt) 4. Re: floating or pontoon bridges? (Martin Koppenhoefer) 5. Re: floating or pontoon bridges? (Clifford Snow) 6. Re: floating or pontoon bridges? (John F. Eldredge) 7. Re: floating or pontoon bridges? (Richard Z.) -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 16:14:06 +0200 From: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges? Message-ID: CALQ-OR4HQGvoaav=upx99ij+miptizqfvmhqruhu1d5a+kb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Volker, What’s up against the tag building=bridge, floating=yes, with additional floating=pontoon / ship, a pontoon is a sturdy hardly to move object, a ship bridge where each part / section is based on a one or more ships, and one section can be removed to let a vessel pass by. https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/RP-P-OB-79.978 The Duke of Alva made this crossing at Antwerp, a road upon ships. It looks more like a barrier then the possibility to remove a section out of the way. With one exception the Dutch vlotbrug. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlotbrug The Sint Maartensvlotbrug consists of 2 pontoons floating to and from the middle with a bridge (ramp) on each side. Hendrikklaas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
I am not an expert. The four bridges in my area are similar in construction. They use boat-shaped floating devices, similar to your antique example. I do not know whether these are actually (ex-) boats. As far as I know, when they are opened, typically because of high water flow and consequent danger of them being damaged, they are swung by 90 degrees as a complete unit and anchored to the river bank. They are not normally opened to let boats through and I don't think they can be partially opened. But they are not floating bridges as in your second link. If you give me time I most likely do have photographs of all of them, at least one of them both opened and closed. (My photos are geotagged, but my archive does not allow search by coordinates) Volker Hi Volker, What’s up against the tag building=bridge, floating=yes, with additional floating=pontoon / ship, a pontoon is a sturdy hardly to move object, a ship bridge where each part / section is based on a one or more ships, and one section can be removed to let a vessel pass by. https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/RP-P-OB-79.978 The Duke of Alva made this crossing at Antwerp, a road upon ships. It looks more like a barrier then the possibility to remove a section out of the way. With one exception the Dutch vlotbrug. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlotbrug The Sint Maartensvlotbrug consists of 2 pontoons floating to and from the middle with a bridge (ramp) on each side. Hendrikklaas ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
