Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person
W dniu 13.10.2014 23:04, Janko Mihelić pisze: > Number of the grave should be enough, and naming people in the grave Number of grave? What do you mean? Number of grave is not visible on the grave. What if there are several people in the grave (with different names)? Semicolons? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person
I think OSM isn't a place for this. Number of the grave should be enough, and naming people in the grave (if they are not famous) looks like data for other databases. What are other uses for this relation type? Home of a person, workplace of a person, current location of a person? 2014-10-13 21:49 GMT+02:00 Paweł Marynowski : > 2014-10-13 19:43 GMT+02:00 Pieren : > >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Paweł Marynowski >> wrote: >> >> > The idea was to reflect, the best we can, situation with graves. >> >> This is not clear in the proposal. It's much more than graves. >> Birthday, family, description, etc. If you check examples, it is >> reused to add every details of a person live (memorial, named streets) > > > Yes, it's not in proposal. I bet no one asked author about intentions. > > >> > A lot of people mentioned Wikidata. Do you know the rules of Wikidata? >> There >> > are notability rules[1], so it's simply not possible to store >> information >> > about every person there. >> >> This is another question but not about this relation. We have to be >> careful about creating a database of named people (and their >> relationship) when they are not celebrities. Even for dead people, it >> can be conditioned to local legislation. > > > Sure. We can drop information about relationship (it's probably not even > used). But what we are having is data from public space, I doubt there will > we any problems. But maybe British law is really harsh, I don't know. > > -- > > *Paweł Marynowski* > > user:Yarl > > > Stowarzyszenie OpenStreetMap Polska > > http://osm.org.pl/ > > http://fb.com/osmpolska/ > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person
2014-10-13 19:43 GMT+02:00 Pieren : > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Paweł Marynowski > wrote: > > > The idea was to reflect, the best we can, situation with graves. > > This is not clear in the proposal. It's much more than graves. > Birthday, family, description, etc. If you check examples, it is > reused to add every details of a person live (memorial, named streets) Yes, it's not in proposal. I bet no one asked author about intentions. > > A lot of people mentioned Wikidata. Do you know the rules of Wikidata? > There > > are notability rules[1], so it's simply not possible to store information > > about every person there. > > This is another question but not about this relation. We have to be > careful about creating a database of named people (and their > relationship) when they are not celebrities. Even for dead people, it > can be conditioned to local legislation. Sure. We can drop information about relationship (it's probably not even used). But what we are having is data from public space, I doubt there will we any problems. But maybe British law is really harsh, I don't know. -- *Paweł Marynowski* user:Yarl Stowarzyszenie OpenStreetMap Polska http://osm.org.pl/ http://fb.com/osmpolska/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Paweł Marynowski wrote: > The idea was to reflect, the best we can, situation with graves. This is not clear in the proposal. It's much more than graves. Birthday, family, description, etc. If you check examples, it is reused to add every details of a person live (memorial, named streets) > A lot of people mentioned Wikidata. Do you know the rules of Wikidata? There > are notability rules[1], so it's simply not possible to store information > about every person there. This is another question but not about this relation. We have to be careful about creating a database of named people (and their relationship) when they are not celebrities. Even for dead people, it can be conditioned to local legislation. > I will be more than happy to find better solution to map graves like this > not using relations. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person
OK, so I wasn't invloved in creating this proposal, but as a part of Polish community I want to add few words about this. The idea was to reflect, the best we can, situation with graves. I think most of us agree, that we should separate information about grave itself (type, material, address) and people inside - we also don't add eg. birth date to monuments of famous people. So what choice do we have? We can add standard tags to grave node (but as I said, it rather should be avoided), but things are going nasty, when we have 5 people in one grave. Tags semicolon-separated? Pure nightmare to edit and easy to break it, when we want to add more than just peoples' names. A lot of people mentioned Wikidata. Do you know the rules of Wikidata? There are notability rules[1], so it's simply not possible to store information about every person there. Here you have real example, grave with three people: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1943454485 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cmentarz_Rakowicki_Grob_Dietla.jpg (photo) http://osmtools.org/groby/#lat=50.07499&lon=19.95284&z=18 (custom data browser) I will be more than happy to find better solution to map graves like this not using relations. Comments, that this is 'crazy' is actually not really nice... [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability Cheers, Paweł 2014-10-13 12:21 GMT+02:00 Pieren : > Hi all, > > Within 2 weeks, I discovered the "person" relation on this ML and > found another (local) thread questioning the pertinence of this > relation in OSM. Because an OSM relation collecting all information > about a "person" is not something obvious for me and this idea has > never been really discussed globally, I moved the wiki page back as a > proposal and would like to open a vote about this and get your > feedback here: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:person#Voting > > Pieren > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- *Paweł Marynowski* user:Yarl Stowarzyszenie OpenStreetMap Polska http://osm.org.pl/ http://fb.com/osmpolska/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - man_made=bridge
I started a vote on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge
On Mon, 2014-10-13 at 17:00 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Rather a similar proposal, tunnels are more troublesome (see also talk > page). There does seem to be a lot about multiple tubes there, I would expect those to be mapped separately, but would like to see a single tunnel only where multiple ways pass through the same tube, such as a double track railway or a canal and towpath. The channel tunnel should obviously remain as 3 tunnels. Phil (trigpoint) > > > 2014-10-13 12:28 GMT+02:00 : > I like this proposal too, would it be possible to extend it to > tunnels or would that require a similar proposal? > > Phil (trigpoint ) > > On Mon Oct 13 2014 11:12:00 GMT+0100 (BST), Lukas Sommer > wrote: > > I like this proposal. > > > > I would add the requirement that the highways/railways/paths > that go over a > > bridge have to share a node with the outline area. > > > > Lukas Sommer > > > > 2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny > : > > > > > man_made=bridge as proposed on > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made% > 3Dbridge > > > is in my opinion a good tagging scheme, I started work on > displaying it in > > > a > > > default style ( > > > > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 > ). > > > > > > But I noticed that there was never a vote to recognize it > as an approved > > > tag. > > > > > > I plan on starting vote in the near future, so it may be a > good idea to > > > check this > > > proposal for potential problems. > > > > > > See also > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 > > > > > > ___ > > > Tagging mailing list > > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my Jolla > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge
Rather a similar proposal, tunnels are more troublesome (see also talk page). 2014-10-13 12:28 GMT+02:00 : > I like this proposal too, would it be possible to extend it to tunnels or > would that require a similar proposal? > > Phil (trigpoint ) > > On Mon Oct 13 2014 11:12:00 GMT+0100 (BST), Lukas Sommer wrote: > > I like this proposal. > > > > I would add the requirement that the highways/railways/paths that go > over a > > bridge have to share a node with the outline area. > > > > Lukas Sommer > > > > 2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > > > > man_made=bridge as proposed on > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge > > > is in my opinion a good tagging scheme, I started work on displaying > it in > > > a > > > default style ( > > > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 ). > > > > > > But I noticed that there was never a vote to recognize it as an > approved > > > tag. > > > > > > I plan on starting vote in the near future, so it may be a good idea to > > > check this > > > proposal for potential problems. > > > > > > See also > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 > > > > > > ___ > > > Tagging mailing list > > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my Jolla > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge
> Second sentence in the section Tagging -> Bridges with one level: "Connect all OSM ways running over that bridge to the outline." Sorry, I missed this. Perfect! Lukas Lukas Sommer 2014-10-13 10:34 GMT+00:00 Martin Vonwald : > Hi! > > 2014-10-13 12:12 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer : > >> I would add the requirement that the highways/railways/paths that go over >> a bridge have to share a node with the outline area. >> > > Second sentence in the section Tagging -> Bridges with one level: "Connect > all OSM ways running over that bridge to the outline." > > Best regards, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge
Hi! 2014-10-13 12:12 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer : > I would add the requirement that the highways/railways/paths that go over > a bridge have to share a node with the outline area. > Second sentence in the section Tagging -> Bridges with one level: "Connect all OSM ways running over that bridge to the outline." Best regards, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge
I like this proposal too, would it be possible to extend it to tunnels or would that require a similar proposal? Phil (trigpoint ) On Mon Oct 13 2014 11:12:00 GMT+0100 (BST), Lukas Sommer wrote: > I like this proposal. > > I would add the requirement that the highways/railways/paths that go over a > bridge have to share a node with the outline area. > > Lukas Sommer > > 2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > > man_made=bridge as proposed on > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge > > is in my opinion a good tagging scheme, I started work on displaying it in > > a > > default style ( > > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 ). > > > > But I noticed that there was never a vote to recognize it as an approved > > tag. > > > > I plan on starting vote in the near future, so it may be a good idea to > > check this > > proposal for potential problems. > > > > See also https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person
Hi all, Within 2 weeks, I discovered the "person" relation on this ML and found another (local) thread questioning the pertinence of this relation in OSM. Because an OSM relation collecting all information about a "person" is not something obvious for me and this idea has never been really discussed globally, I moved the wiki page back as a proposal and would like to open a vote about this and get your feedback here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:person#Voting Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge
I like this proposal. I would add the requirement that the highways/railways/paths that go over a bridge have to share a node with the outline area. Lukas Sommer 2014-10-10 14:44 GMT+00:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > man_made=bridge as proposed on > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge > is in my opinion a good tagging scheme, I started work on displaying it in > a > default style ( > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 ). > > But I noticed that there was never a vote to recognize it as an approved > tag. > > I plan on starting vote in the near future, so it may be a good idea to > check this > proposal for potential problems. > > See also https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/436 > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin Vonwald >> To tag or not to tag, that is the vote! ;-) > Help me understand how we get to a document tagging standard on the wiki > without voting. Is there a threshold for when a tag become acceptable? I > think I understand that voting is problematic with the low number of votes. > However, I'm not sure waiting until enough people use a tag is practical > either. The process called "vote" is probably not appropriate. But it is the best method we have to get a feedback from the community and an attempt to reach a consensus. If you don't do this, the risk is that several people suggest different solutions/tags that will later coexists in the database (which is always a mess to fix). Another one is that your documentation is not found by the others and never reused. Or that your tag is used for something else. Or that your description is too vague and open for wrong interpretation. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:13 PM, sabas88 wrote: > Perhaps it's nonsensical but... > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=entrance%3Dexit It's like Microsoft story where you have to click on 'start' to stop windows... But it is not because someone didn't make the best choice that we have to follow him... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
