Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range
That's true - because the proper tag for it was not created yet and this is a case of tagging for the renderer. A sports center may have an indoor range in a larger building, or the outdoor sports center is not mapped fully. But if it is sport=archery + leisure=pitch it should be changed to leisure=range Again, hockey players or even paintballers in the outfit (and protection) are supposed to be on the pitch when playing. No one is supposed to be on 99% of the range when there is practicing going on. No one. If you are a contestant, you can't be in that area because you could be easily killed, let alone a bystander. This is why it is a range, and not a pitch. A range area outlined the place *where you can't be* during practice A pitch outlines the place *where you should be* during practice. Military has shooting range, not pitch for a reason. Having practiced archery and shooting at ranges with the Boy Scouts and other private places (briefly), the facilities, rules, and no-mans land rules of the ranges are **exactly** the same. Ranges are a place to safely practice a sport. The basic understanding that this area is safe for me to propel deadly projectiles meant to impale people and things because access is restricted is quite different than any other sport - so they have a different name for the facility, and not marking/rendering ranges different than pitches would be a safety issue. They should be rendered differently and tagged differently from pitches. Having a range for guns and a pitch for archery makes no sense. Javbw On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: I get your, er, point, although I don't think you would want to randomly wander into a batting cage or hockey rink in the middle of practice either. :) The bigger issue is there are over 1300 sport=archery tags, and both on the wiki and in actual usage, leisure=pitch (or sports_centre) is what's used with them, not range. Maybe there's a distinction one could make for range, but frankly, archery is the tag that'll let people know there are likely to be arrows flying around. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:19 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: I've usually seen leisure=pitch used with archery. Scanning through the few features tagged with leisure=range, they appear to all be shooting ranges. The only big difference between them is the noise level and the length of the projectile. They both have designated stands for the person, the no-mans land of the range, targets of various forms, and some kind of projectile containment system (high walls, steel plate, dirt bank, etc). There are quite a few archery ranges (on school grounds) here in Japan, and I sure as hell never want to accidentally go on one thinking it is a pitch. A 3m long traditional bow looks like it could put a practice arrow through my body. It has the word range in its title for a reason. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory
I must admit that I do not fully understand your text. My interpretation of your questions is: 1) How would you tag the segregated cycle-and-foot-way shown in https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Separated_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg ? My answer: highway=path; foot=designated; bicycle=designated; segregated=yes. In addition you may want to specifcy which side is the the footway and which side is the cycleway by lanes=2 and bicycle:lanes=yes|no and foot:lanes=no|yes 2) How would you tag the way shown in https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Separated_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg, if there where no blue traffic sign? Answer: As there would be no indication on what kind of traffic is allowed I would tag it as highway=unclassified 3) How would you tag the segregated cycle-and-foot-way shown in https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Separated_roadside_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg My answer: exactly as in case (1) for the cycle-and-foot-way and in addition bicycle=use_sidepath on the street On 13 April 2015 at 23:36, Hubert sg.fo...@gmx.de wrote: Hallo. Sorry for not answering for a while. I had/have to concentrate on my studies. As for bicycle=obligatory/mandatory, I can see why there is so much objection for introducing a new value, but I still think that the current use of bicycle=official/designated/yes is less optimal than it could be. If some you feels up for it, I would like to hear your thoughts on the following separated cycle way with and without the corresponding traffic sign. ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Separated_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg ) The way I see it, it is “official” and “designated” for cyclist in both cases, at least from the wording. However, the question remains whether it should also be tagged as “bicycle=official/designated” or “bicycle=yes” or something else. I would also like to ask you to considered the “normal” situation ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Separated_roadside_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg) in the same way and in comparison to the stand-alone cycle way. Yours, Hubert *From:* Hubert [mailto:sg.fo...@gmx.de] *Sent:* Freitag, 27. März 2015 23:57 *To:* 'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools' *Subject:* [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory Hallo fellow mappers and bicycle enthusiasts, I have created a proposal to tag obligatory roadside cycle ways with bicycle=obligatory. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/obligatory_usage The proposals is in its early stages right now, but I would like to get your ideas and comments already. This value can be interpreted as an counterpart to bicycle=use_sidepath. As this tag would replace bicycle=designated in a quite a few cases, I am hoping for a lot of support from the community. Happy mapping Hubert ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory
Hallo. Sorry for not answering for a while. I had/have to concentrate on my studies. As for bicycle=obligatory/mandatory, I can see why there is so much objection for introducing a new value, but I still think that the current use of bicycle=official/designated/yes is less optimal than it could be. If some you feels up for it, I would like to hear your thoughts on the following separated cycle way with and without the corresponding traffic sign. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Separated_cycle_and_foo t_path.jpg) The way I see it, it is official and designated for cyclist in both cases, at least from the wording. However, the question remains whether it should also be tagged as bicycle=official/designated or bicycle=yes or something else. I would also like to ask you to considered the normal situation (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Separated_roadside_cycl e_and_foot_path.jpg) in the same way and in comparison to the stand-alone cycle way. Yours, Hubert From: Hubert [mailto:sg.fo...@gmx.de] Sent: Freitag, 27. März 2015 23:57 To: 'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools' Subject: [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory Hallo fellow mappers and bicycle enthusiasts, I have created a proposal to tag obligatory roadside cycle ways with bicycle=obligatory. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/obligatory_usage https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/obligatory_usage The proposals is in its early stages right now, but I would like to get your ideas and comments already. This value can be interpreted as an counterpart to bicycle=use_sidepath. As this tag would replace bicycle=designated in a quite a few cases, I am hoping for a lot of support from the community. Happy mapping Hubert ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 67, Issue 41
I want to +1 the idea of using leisure=range. There are some dangerous sports where some people are allowed to be downfield, even if it's just the judges (shot-put, etc.). But with shooting/archery sports, even the judges don't get on the field. That does make a distinction between the types of playing areas used. Having a separate tag makes sense to me. -jack Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 06:24:13 +0900 From: John Willis jo...@mac.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range Message-ID: eebf9d40-39ce-4e33-a655-1f00d26f4...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That's true - because the proper tag for it was not created yet and this is a case of tagging for the renderer. A sports center may have an indoor range in a larger building, or the outdoor sports center is not mapped fully. But if it is sport=archery + leisure=pitch it should be changed to leisure=range Again, hockey players or even paintballers in the outfit (and protection) are supposed to be on the pitch when playing. No one is supposed to be on 99% of the range when there is practicing going on. No one. If you are a contestant, you can't be in that area because you could be easily killed, let alone a bystander. This is why it is a range, and not a pitch. A range area outlined the place *where you can't be* during practice A pitch outlines the place *where you should be* during practice. Military has shooting range, not pitch for a reason. Having practiced archery and shooting at ranges with the Boy Scouts and other private places (briefly), the facilities, rules, and no-mans land rules of the ranges are **exactly** the same. Ranges are a place to safely practice a sport. The basic understanding that this area is safe for me to propel deadly projectiles meant to impale people and things because access is restricted is quite different than any other sport - so they have a different name for the facility, and not marking/rendering ranges different than pitches would be a safety issue. They should be rendered differently and tagged differently from pitches. Having a range for guns and a pitch for archery makes no sense. Javbw On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: I get your, er, point, although I don't think you would want to randomly wander into a batting cage or hockey rink in the middle of practice either. :) The bigger issue is there are over 1300 sport=archery tags, and both on the wiki and in actual usage, leisure=pitch (or sports_centre) is what's used with them, not range. Maybe there's a distinction one could make for range, but frankly, archery is the tag that'll let people know there are likely to be arrows flying around. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:19 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: I've usually seen leisure=pitch used with archery. Scanning through the few features tagged with leisure=range, they appear to all be shooting ranges. The only big difference between them is the noise level and the length of the projectile. They both have designated stands for the person, the no-mans land of the range, targets of various forms, and some kind of projectile containment system (high walls, steel plate, dirt bank, etc). There are quite a few archery ranges (on school grounds) here in Japan, and I sure as hell never want to accidentally go on one thinking it is a pitch. A 3m long traditional bow looks like it could put a practice arrow through my body. It has the word range in its title for a reason -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto-spell technology. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Defacto: man_made=storage_tank
For your inspection, upgrade of: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstorage_tank To defacto status on the wiki (as it has 100,000 uses). Note the German page has always asked for building=yes on this feature, which strikes me as both reasonable and a rendering hack. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:08:31 +0200 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: 1) How would you tag the segregated cycle-and-foot-way shown in https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Separated_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg ? My answer: highway=path; foot=designated; bicycle=designated; segregated=yes. In addition you may want to specifcy which side is the the footway and which side is the cycleway by lanes=2 and bicycle:lanes=yes|no and foot:lanes=no|yes I would add also surface (and maybe smoothness) as this one seems to be quite bad. 2) How would you tag the way shown in https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Separated_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg, if there where no blue traffic sign? Answer: As there would be no indication on what kind of traffic is allowed I would tag it as highway=unclassified Depends on context. It may be higway=footway, highway=pedestrian, highway=service, there are situations where it would be highway=cycleway/bridleway, maybe even other highway types in countries where typical road is unpaved. 3) How would you tag the segregated cycle-and-foot-way shown in https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Separated_roadside_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg My answer: exactly as in case (1) for the cycle-and-foot-way and in addition bicycle=use_sidepath on the street I agree with full tagging map and footways would be mapped separetely. As temporary fixme it may be highway=unclassified with cycleway=track. Also, I would add also surface (and maybe smoothness) as this one for footway/cycleway seems to be quite bad. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Defacto: man_made=storage_tank
I think that building=storage_tank would be even better. On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:54:56 -0700 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: For your inspection, upgrade of: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstorage_tank To defacto status on the wiki (as it has 100,000 uses). Note the German page has always asked for building=yes on this feature, which strikes me as both reasonable and a rendering hack. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Defacto: man_made=storage_tank
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: I think that building=storage_tank would be even better. That ship has sailed. man_made=storage_tank is the standard. Maybe early on it should have been man_made=building, building=* but we have an accepted standard. I am curious by the German page asks for building=yes on man_made=storage_tank. -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Highway barrier
Take a look at this nasty device that prevents traveling the wrong way on a oneway street. I've seen several of these here in Istanbul. Some have signs to alert motorists but this one does not. It is unmarked in any way. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:One-way_barrier_IMG_7111.JPG It is surely a barrier of some sort yet it does allow traffic to flow unimpeded in one direction. Traffic_calming doesn't quite get it either. LOL How should I tag this? Regards, Dave -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range
Usually we have names for the area where things take place (pitch, track, pool) and the sport (sport=*) A range is one of those places. Usually there are no mixed ranges (archery and rifles, etc) are separate So leisure=range + sport=archery for an archery range or sport=shooting for a shooting range. I've usually seen leisure=pitch used with archery. Scanning through the few features tagged with leisure=range, they appear to all be shooting ranges. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range
I've usually seen leisure=pitch used with archery. Scanning through the few features tagged with leisure=range, they appear to all be shooting ranges. The only big difference between them is the noise level and the length of the projectile. They both have designated stands for the person, the no-mans land of the range, targets of various forms, and some kind of projectile containment system (high walls, steel plate, dirt bank, etc). There are quite a few archery ranges (on school grounds) here in Japan, and I sure as hell never want to accidentally go on one thinking it is a pitch. A 3m long traditional bow looks like it could put a practice arrow through my body. It has the word range in its title for a reason. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range
I get your, er, point, although I don't think you would want to randomly wander into a batting cage or hockey rink in the middle of practice either. :) The bigger issue is there are over 1300 sport=archery tags, and both on the wiki and in actual usage, leisure=pitch (or sports_centre) is what's used with them, not range. Maybe there's a distinction one could make for range, but frankly, archery is the tag that'll let people know there are likely to be arrows flying around. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:19 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: I've usually seen leisure=pitch used with archery. Scanning through the few features tagged with leisure=range, they appear to all be shooting ranges. The only big difference between them is the noise level and the length of the projectile. They both have designated stands for the person, the no-mans land of the range, targets of various forms, and some kind of projectile containment system (high walls, steel plate, dirt bank, etc). There are quite a few archery ranges (on school grounds) here in Japan, and I sure as hell never want to accidentally go on one thinking it is a pitch. A 3m long traditional bow looks like it could put a practice arrow through my body. It has the word range in its title for a reason. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
