Re: [Tagging] Artist studio?
On 2015-04-26 04:46, Clifford Snow wrote : On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 25.04.2015 um 02:04 schrieb johnw jo...@mac.com: there is no documented craft=artist (as in canvas creator), but there is house painter. there is “sculptor" and "glaziery" so it looks as if craft=artist should be created (mentioning that it is not for sclupture/glass/photo based art) from a German point of view, if it's craft or handicraft it is not art ;-) I think "artist" is too generic, I'd prefer tags like painter, sculptor, video-artist, writer etc. and I believe there are very different typologies of places where artists work and (not) exhibit / sell. I'm very familiar with artist studios in Seattle. I can't speak for the world, but I know of buildings containing artist studios. The artists include both 2D and sculptors that work in different mediums (metal, glass, paint, stone) all working in the same building. Usually because the space is inexpensive. I also know artists that rent space in commercial buildings. I even know an artist that rents space in a medical research facility campus. I hate seeing us get into the distinction between craft and art. Many of the struggling artists have their one of a kind work and a production line which often doesn't include their name. The one of a kind is in my mind art, while the production work is something that is art but not exactly. Here, wood is considered a craft, but some work produced is truly art. Let's create a tag artist_studio that can be followed with with a type, ie, painter, printer, sculptor, etc. and medium such as glass, metal, stone, mixed, fabric, etc. The major skill of an artist being to be inventive, be prepared for diversity ;-) I know one who does truly marvelous things (≃en, ≃re, ≃ru) with just a pencil and paper. Are we speaking of artists or of studios? Can't artists perform in various places, e.g. at home? After defining artist_studio, will we define artist_house, artist_xyz exactly the same? Let's avoid confusion like with historical and castles, natural and water etc. Here come the logical structured tagging rules rescuing us again... building=anykind (e.g. studio) (equivalent to building:anykind=yes which is usable for multiple, simultaneous building types) anykind:artist=hisart or, equivalently, anykind:artist=hisart=yes (... multiple arts) The artist is, let us say, a property or characteristic of the building, or rather of its particular type and, because building=anykind is the by default, main tag, this can be shortened to: building=anykind artist=hisart artist:hisotherart=yes And now, the media being an attribute of his art (and artist), my friend's becomes: building=house [house:]artist=drawing [house:]artist:drawing:media=paper and his website artist:website=http://... or, if he had split his arts: artist:drawing:website=http://... artist:painting:website=http://... The logical structured tagging's goal is to tend to having different contributors invent the same tags. Except because of synonyms of course. And only if it's used. Cheers André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Wiki deprecation of an in-use feature
On 25/04/15 21:09, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Bryce ... you still have to make the case for 'special cases'. There is no reason to have two tags for many of these amenities. That's not the purpose I started this thread for. waterway=water_point is in use. -- The issue of how to tag non-interoperable features is a valid issue, but a much bigger issue. We have mutually incompatible amenities for aircraft, boats and land vehicles. You definitely don't want to put aviation gas into a motorcar for example, nor try to empty your motorhome at a Canal River Trust pumpout. There's no commonly agreed solution for this real issue. Until that's resolved, I feel the wiki should reflect /current/ tagging practice. Thus waterway=water_point as in use on the wiki until either a vote happens to remove it, or a new tagging proposal takes hold. The only reference I am seeing to waterway=water_point is to use amenity=water_point and I see no problem with that statement. Just as I see no problem with having a petrol pump on an airfield that can provide unleaded petrol for a car or a microlight aircraft, and the camp-site on the site might have a water_point for caravans, and a separate one for servicing the aircraft. If the water_point is on the tow path and provided by the Canal River Trust but also services the camp site do we end up having it tagged for both, just as you propose for waterway=sanitary_dump_station + amenity=sanitary_dump_station? WHY do we have to have duplicate tags? I may not agree with what is currently being documented for some of these things, but if THIS proposal is taken to it's logical extent, then every facility has to have a duplicate waterway tag ... or we simply agree that there only needs to be one, and the access determines who can use it! AND then you add another complete set for aircraft? If it's a water_point on a marina and is private then it's no different to on on a camp site which is private. Only the right clients are allowed to use it. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Wood+Coastline conflict
Hi, Some island are covered completely with wood. For these island I get a tag conflict. Since the natural tag is used for both. I have two solutions: 1. make a combined tag like natural=coastline;wood 2. make a 1-way relation for the wood tag and tag the way with natural=coastline which one is prefered? Best regards tibnor ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] fire extinguisher class
Am 23.04.2015 um 19:43 schrieb Craig Wallace: fire_extinguisher:class:uk=8A 55B 75F In general and also valid here: Please, add the LC to to value and not to the key. This way we only need one tag and not one for every country. fire_extinguisher:class=UK:8A;UK:55B;UK:75F Thanks fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Sure, but the page currently states that the waterway=river must be placed that way. It could agree with the text if it said Preferably, the way should be drawn along the thalweg or the deepest points of the riverbed. That is, it should be a goal, not a requirement for mapping the river at all. +1 Change the wording to mean should be placed, if possible -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Wood+Coastline conflict
The first one is a no-no in my opinion. natural=coastline has a rather special way of being used, not good to encumber it with a semicolon-notation. My preference would be to have two separate ways, both using the same nodes. On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Torstein Ingebrigtsen Bø torstein...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Some island are covered completely with wood. For these island I get a tag conflict. Since the natural tag is used for both. I have two solutions: 1. make a combined tag like natural=coastline;wood 2. make a 1-way relation for the wood tag and tag the way with natural=coastline which one is prefered? Best regards tibnor ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank
On 23.04.2015 10:01, Christoph Hormann wrote: Nobody should feel bad about not being able to accurately place the waterway at the right location in some cases but the aim to do this where possible is a sound one. Sure, but the page currently states that the waterway=river must be placed that way. It could agree with the text if it said Preferably, the way should be drawn along the thalweg or the deepest points of the riverbed. That is, it should be a goal, not a requirement for mapping the river at all. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Artist studio?
On 26/04/2015 09:02, André Pirard wrote: The major skill of an artist being to be inventive, be prepared for diversity ;-) I know one who does truly marvelous things http://mesmines.hautetfort.com/ (≃en http://translate.google.be/translate?u=http%3A//mesmines.hautetfort.com/langpair=fr%7Centbb=1ie=UTF-8, ≃re http://translate.google.be/translate?u=http%3A//mesmines.hautetfort.com/langpair=fr%7Cdetbb=1ie=UTF-8, ≃ru http://translate.google.be/translate?u=http%3A//mesmines.hautetfort.com/langpair=fr%7Crutbb=1ie=UTF-8) with just a pencil and paper. Are we speaking of artists or of studios? I'm talking about studios. As you can see from the website, it's a communal studio with multiple artists using different mediums. As there's no consensus or a clear alternative I'm going to tag it amenity=artist_studio. Sub tags could be added to describe specific mediums whether there's a sales outlet included. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank
On Sunday 26 April 2015, Tobias Knerr wrote: Nobody should feel bad about not being able to accurately place the waterway at the right location in some cases but the aim to do this where possible is a sound one. Sure, but the page currently states that the waterway=river must be placed that way. It could agree with the text if it said Preferably, the way should be drawn along the thalweg or the deepest points of the riverbed. That is, it should be a goal, not a requirement for mapping the river at all. The formulation there was somewhat ambiguous. I think it was meant to indicate a way waterway=river is required to be mapped within the waterway=riverbank polygon but not that its location must be exact. I clarified this in the wiki. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
