Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
On May 1, 2015, at 10:17 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Hmm, lets experiment ... Node tourism = camp_site camp_site = standard name = Happy Jacks Node tourism = camp_site camp_pitch = yes ref = 42 addr:unit = 42 camp_pitch:picnic_table=yes Node What I don't see here is how to associate the pitches with Happy Jacks. I guess the easy solution is to say only map pitches where they will fall into an (tourism=camp_site) area ? Hard solution is a relation ? If you are doing detail mapping of a campground you should replace a tourism=camp_site node with a polygon. So you are mapping pitches within that campground polygon with either nodes or smaller polygons. So a node with both tourism=camp_site and camp_pitch=yes would only make sense if there were one and only one place to pitch a tent (park a caravan) in the campground. (I wish it was tourism=campground which would leave “site” or “camp_site” available for the individual pitches. To my American ears “pitch” is more likely a verb than a noun (“pitch a ball on a playing field” or “pitch a tent at a camp site” but that ship has sailed). I think its sad we cannot put something more useful than yes after camp_pitch= but I know someone saw a problem with my suggestion of camp_pitch=42 ? That makes sense to me too and I may have suggested it at one time but it does get resistance. :) Starting to look like this is firming up anyway, good, we need these solutions. I notice that user N76 says he did a good part of the camp_site=pitch on record and is happy to rename them. We appreciate such a helpful attitude ! (Voting on the camp_site= proposal page). As you may have figured out by now, n76 is my OSM mapping ID. :) Cheers, Tod smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
Yes, I knew that already. Just threw my 2 cents (2 pence) into the conversation to stir things up. The English flavour of OSM tags are a constant reminder that while we Americans won independence from England many years ago, we haven't entirely escaped her influence. To us pitch is something you paint on a post to prevent rot. I agree that a scout camp area is a campground. But over here, so too is a camping area like one finds in parks and operating as commercial ventures. Deffo tourism... So there we have it. We'll have to agree to disagree and work on our terminology some more. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Scouts as example, but any communal campground - Everest base camp, for instance - but deffo not tourism -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
Scouts as example, but any communal campground - Everest base camp, for instance - but deffo not tourism -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
The use of tourism=camp_site to represent a campgound or camping area will continue to confuse and confound this proposal. If the term camp_site should could be redefined to mean a spot (or pitch) where one can erect a tent or park an RV many of those problems will vanish. If you should become bold enough to try to redefine that tag, I'll support you totally. Cheers, Dave On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On May 1, 2015, at 10:17 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Hmm, lets experiment ... Node tourism = camp_site camp_site = standard name = Happy Jacks Node tourism = camp_site camp_pitch = yes ref = 42 addr:unit = 42 camp_pitch:picnic_table=yes Node What I don't see here is how to associate the pitches with Happy Jacks. I guess the easy solution is to say only map pitches where they will fall into an (tourism=camp_site) area ? Hard solution is a relation ? If you are doing detail mapping of a campground you should replace a tourism=camp_site node with a polygon. So you are mapping pitches within that campground polygon with either nodes or smaller polygons. So a node with both tourism=camp_site and camp_pitch=yes would only make sense if there were one and only one place to pitch a tent (park a caravan) in the campground. (I wish it was tourism=campground which would leave “site” or “camp_site” available for the individual pitches. To my American ears “pitch” is more likely a verb than a noun (“pitch a ball on a playing field” or “pitch a tent at a camp site” but that ship has sailed). I think its sad we cannot put something more useful than yes after camp_pitch= but I know someone saw a problem with my suggestion of camp_pitch=42 ? That makes sense to me too and I may have suggested it at one time but it does get resistance. :) Starting to look like this is firming up anyway, good, we need these solutions. I notice that user N76 says he did a good part of the camp_site=pitch on record and is happy to rename them. We appreciate such a helpful attitude ! (Voting on the camp_site= proposal page). As you may have figured out by now, n76 is my OSM mapping ID. :) Cheers, Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
On 2 May 2015 at 15:09, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: The use of tourism=camp_site to represent a campgound or camping area will continue to confuse and confound this proposal. UK - tourism = caravan_site - OK fully understood. tourism= camp_site - OK fully understood - tents instead of caravans, motorhomes or RVs. To me, a CAMPGROUND is an area the scouts would use and is not tourism. Big fire in the middle, communality tents surrounding this central location - and no pitches. Also, no (pitch) services of any kind - although there would likely be some nearby. -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
It may be common in some areas to allow pitching tents anywhere within a designated area. But I have mapped a couple of backcountry (backpack) trail camps that have a numbered post at each pitch, so I know that they do exist and we ought to allow for it. In the two cases I can think of at the moment they pitches were fairly spartan with only a cleared area and fire ring for each. Perhaps they exist in my area because of issues with fire danger: They really only want you having a fire or using a camp stove in designated areas. Maybe areas that get more rain don’t need to worry as much about that type of thing. Cheers, Tod On May 2, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: camp sites with tents from my experience often don't number pitches but let you set up your tent anywhere you want (within a certain area) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag: shop: hifi
Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2015, at 2:32 AM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: electronics says Tandy / Radio Shack / Maplin to me - with components, boards and soldering irons and cables/connectors. For me that would be electronic_parts or electronic_components these days. +1 - these are totally electronic_components. So we have a generic term and many other specific terms for the most popular classes of electronics, like mobile phones, computers (and even PCs/laptops/tablets if we want to), home entertrainment (TV sets, Video/DVD/Blu-ray players, then also Hi-Fi including tuners, CD players, speakers, heapdhones and special cables), industrial electronics etc. All of this already has a well established name : consumer electronics. CE In Japan they have electric goods stores - denki shops - they sell every single item that uses electricity in your house - computers, air conditioners, fans, toasters, washing machines, cameras, hair curlers, light bulbs, and everything else - which is broader than almost any electronics shop in America. Every country has slightly different kinds of each shop, and a couple combinations that don't exist elsewhere. For the Hifis, it can be broken out further: Home Theater or Home Entertainment. This includes tvs and sound systems that go with them, or stand alone receivers. A shop that just sells audio(phile) gear is home audio. I don't think there are shops for industrial audio supply (except maybe in Hollywood) - not too many people running out to pick up a half million dollar mixing board. Usually a shop that sells audio streaming gear will also sell receivers and speakers and the rest of the home audio gear. CE doesn't include industrial electronics - as consumers don't buy assembly line management computers, embedded computers to be installed in cars (engine management), or other stuff people would use to build products, run machinery, or embed in other products. Those are not really in any shop. Computers are usually a separate category (though they are a CE device now), however that line is blurring more every day - Apple was a computer company, but currently makes 85% of its profits from CE devices (phones tablets, and now watches) Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
Am 02.05.2015 um 02:43 schrieb Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com: I haven’t been in a RV/caravan only type campground but my impression is there is a pretty big overlap between the tagging of individual pitches within the two. this is an urban example of a small and dense one for reference: https://www.bing.com/maps/?q=Chausseestrasse+43+Entwicklungs+GmbH%2C+Charlottenstr.+16%2C+Berlin%2C+Deutschlandcp=45.472599029%7E9.1880998609 camp sites with tents from my experience often don't number pitches but let you set up your tent anywhere you want (within a certain area) cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
Am 02.05.2015 um 07:17 schrieb David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net: I think its sad we cannot put something more useful than yes after camp_pitch= but I know someone saw a problem with my suggestion of camp_pitch=42 ? I think this would be an elegant and short method to do it, but it will very likely lead to osm-carto not supporting it (not in the key namespace that gets included in the rendering db and unlikely there will be a dedicated camp_pitch-column in the future). cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite
On Sat, 2015-05-02 at 22:22 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: camp_pitch=42 ? I think this would be an elegant and short method to do it, but it will very likely lead to osm-carto not supporting it (not in the key namespace that gets included in the rendering db and unlikely there will be a dedicated camp_pitch-column in the future). Martin, does that concern also extend to camp_pitch=yes ? I have not worked close enough with the rendering DB to get a feel of whats good and bad. I tend to think of the data in an XML-ish form but understand it has to get flatter than that at some stage. Could you elaborate a bit please ? Maybe suggest a better model ? David cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
