Re: [Tagging] Emergency shelters

[Nick Hocking]

t seems that the Emergency shelter situation for Hurricane Irma is very
dynamic with over 200 new shelters being opened in just one day.

Apparently the Red Cross have released an app (using Google  Maps) that
tracks the emergency shelters and also indicates which ones can't accept
new evacuees because they are full.

Therefore I think we do need a tag for "status" which would have values of
"closed" "open" and "full".

PS , I haven't seem the Red Cross app but the reviews are not good, with
one review describing it as "half baked", which, if true, would make it, in
my opinion, worse than useless.
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Re: [Tagging] electrical cattle grid

[Warin]

Err no, it is not a fence.
A router will not go through a fence, it will go through a cattle grid. 
For that reason I'd use cattle grid - that is how it functions.

Possibly tag
barrier=cattle_grid
cattle_grid=electric

That contains all the information, and will get used/rendered as a 
useful thing.


On 10-Sep-17 02:19 AM, José G Moya Y. wrote:

Hi!
I think it's listed in Fence.
barrier_type=fence
fence_type=electric.

Regards,
Jose

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dfence
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type

El 9/9/2017 17:57, "joost schouppe" > escribió:


Hi,

I don't seem to be able to find an alternative for the electrical
equivalent to barrier=cattle_grid. So basically some metal plating
on the ground, which give electrical shocks to barefeet animals
(and humans).

Any ideas?

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Re: [Tagging] electrical cattle grid

[José G Moya Y .]

Hi!
I think it's listed in Fence.
barrier_type=fence
fence_type=electric.

Regards,
Jose

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dfence
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type

El 9/9/2017 17:57, "joost schouppe"  escribió:

> Hi,
>
> I don't seem to be able to find an alternative for the electrical
> equivalent to barrier=cattle_grid. So basically some metal plating on the
> ground, which give electrical shocks to barefeet animals (and humans).
>
> Any ideas?
>
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[Tagging] electrical cattle grid

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

I don't seem to be able to find an alternative for the electrical
equivalent to barrier=cattle_grid. So basically some metal plating on the
ground, which give electrical shocks to barefeet animals (and humans).

Any ideas?

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sinkholes refinement

[David Marchal]

Hello, there.

I’ve created a proposal for better tagging of sinkholes, as they can be of 
multiple types, not currently acknowledged by mainstream tagging practices. 
This proposal can be read here: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sinkholes_refinement Any 
comments should be left on its talk page.

Awaiting your comments,

Regards.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=* subtags

[Thilo Haug]

I assume this would be a

shop=sports
darts:sales=yes
darts:parts=yes   (from sport=darts)
electronics:sales=yes
electronics:type=television ?(from shop=electronics)

any other options ?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Delectronics
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Ddarts

Am 09.09.2017 um 16:31 schrieb Andy Townsend:
> On 09/09/2017 15:05, Thilo Haug OSM wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the really exotic examples,
>>
>
> Not quite as exotic as those, but I'm surprised that no-one's
> mentioned Borland's in Leith (either near or in Edinburgh depending on
> your point of view).  The OSM node is just tagged as a sports shop
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3215674695
>
> but (at least as of earlier this year) it still had "Darts and
> Television" in the window as per
>
> https://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/borlands-sports-goods-shops-edinburgh
>
> :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=* subtags

[Andy Townsend]

On 09/09/2017 15:05, Thilo Haug OSM wrote:


Thanks for the really exotic examples,



Not quite as exotic as those, but I'm surprised that no-one's mentioned 
Borland's in Leith (either near or in Edinburgh depending on your point 
of view).  The OSM node is just tagged as a sports shop


http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3215674695

but (at least as of earlier this year) it still had "Darts and 
Television" in the window as per


https://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/borlands-sports-goods-shops-edinburgh

:)

Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=* subtags

[Thilo Haug OSM]

Thanks for the really exotic examples,
I'd say this is :

optician also selling delicatessen

shop=optician
deli:sales=yes
deli:type=?

---

bookshop in Paris, whose best known feature is the bánh mì sandwiches

shop=books
fast_food:sales=yes
cuisine=sandwich

---

sexshop for women, but also selling books and operating a cafe/bar

shop=books
amenity=cafe
erotic:sales=yes

not so sure which one of those (or both ?) :
erotic:clothes=yes
clothes:type=erotic ?

erotic:books=yes
books:type=erotic; ?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop_subtags


Tuba is a sexshop for women, but also selling books and operating a
cafe/bar:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/258081023
As the sexshop property is not very prominent in the shop I decided to
classify it as a bookshop and cafe.
Am 06.09.2017 um 13:50 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 13:40:16 +0200
> Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>> my favorite one is this:
>> http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/7089481?album_id=4237494
>> An optician also selling delicatessen (or maybe a delicatessen store
>> also selling glasses).
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2217707756 - Khai Tri is a Vietnamese
> bookshop in Paris, whose best known feature is the bánh mì sandwiches
> stand at the back of the shop... For now in Openstreetmap it is only a
> bookshop.
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Re: [Tagging] Emergency shelters

[Warin]

On 09-Sep-17 01:10 PM, Blake Girardot wrote:

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Nick Hocking  wrote:

Eric wrote

"  This is an open database and we all "garden" the data to make sure that
the
information is correct."

I think that information critical to safety needs a higher level of
verification than just peer review.
So the argument comes down to what is critical information.

I normal times, road geometry on maps should not be critical to drivers
because we expect them to use eyes/brain ahead of navigation prompts.(and
yes I know this doesn't always happen)

In times of emergency, certain information just must be correct and can not
be allowed to be tampered with.


As someone who works in times of emergency, I can tell you OSM is the
goto dataset for many formal and informal response groups around the
world.

It is consistently a good dataset, sometimes where no other datasets
can be located and is used very often.

The quality is a known average good and the #opendata nature is always
a plus. The crowd based nature makes it one of the best databases of
local amenities, schools, medical in many parts of the world.

OSM is used at every level of the disaster management cycle from the
UN and EC/EU organs to local groups with a van load of food.

OSM data gets automatically pushed to #HDX the main UN OCHA data
distribution point, it is that important and in demand.

Everyone on this list is making that dataset as good as it is. thank you.

Respectfully,
blake

Some have the OSM data rendered as maps on their phones, the data is 
available even if the phone network is down, thus it is available even 
when contact with 'officialdom' is lost. In an real emergency OSM data 
maybe the only source of information that some have.


I can see what your on about Eric, but I think your being overly 
pessimistic.


People in emergency situations when out of their trained responses do 
look and think.


Practised fire evacuations get people to use the nearest fire exit,

even when in a real fire there is smoke between them and that fire exit 
(yes I have seen it in a real situation, no one died then).


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I once staid in a YHA that was an underground nuclear fall out shelter 
.. I don't think that one will change in a hurry.


Most emergency shelters around me have not changed other than when the 
original was decommissioned.





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