Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

2017-10-23 Thread Volker Schmidt 
My reference was to the osm wiki, which was somehow converted into a link
to Wikipedia

On 23 Oct 2017 2:33 p.m., "henkevdb"  wrote:

The definition of 'Pier' on wikipedia is in my opinion not exactly correct.
A pier is (usually) 'a long stretched construction on the ground or in a
body of water', sometimes floating on water, sometimes on pillars,sometimes
as a building on an airport,sometimes made of rocks as dam. But can also be
a name of a person or a column designed to support concentrated load , etc
. -> https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pier

The Category:Piers in wikipedia should be more increased/detailed in my
opinion -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Piers



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Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

2017-10-23 Thread henkevdb 
The definition of 'Pier' on wikipedia is in my opinion not exactly 
correct. A pier is (usually) 'a long stretched construction on the 
ground or in a body of water', sometimes floating on water, sometimes on 
pillars,sometimes as a building on an airport,sometimes made of rocks as 
dam. But can also be a name of a person or a column designed to support 
concentrated load , etc . -> 
https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pier


The Category:Piers in wikipedia should be more increased/detailed in my 
opinion -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Piers



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Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

2017-10-23 Thread Volker Schmidt 
The Pier wiki page [1] says in the first sentence:
"A [image: Wikipedia-16px.png] pier 
is a raised walkway".
The same wiki page also states:
"Lastly, connect the pier with other ways on land, otherwise it will result
in a "island" that can't be used for routing. Create a highway
=footway
 (or similar)
from the pier's last node on land to nearby roads or other pedestrian ways
as needed until it is connected to the main road/pedestrian network."
>From this I would conclude that man_made=pier implies foot=yes.
There could obviously be additional access tags like access=private or
motor_vehicle=yes.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier

On 23 October 2017 at 11:56, Andre Engels  wrote:

> My own strategy for this kind of cases is "man_made=pier; foot=yes"
>
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Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

2017-10-23 Thread Andre Engels 
My own strategy for this kind of cases is "man_made=pier; foot=yes"

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On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
 wrote:
> During my recent mapping of marina-related areas I tagged
> piers walkable by pedestrians as both highway=footway and man_made=pier.
>
> For an example see
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.03130=21.77232#map=18/54.03130/21.77232
>
> This practice is currently not mentioned at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier
>
> From taginfo data it seems that some tag this way, but it is not
> popular - 2.28% of man_made=pier have also highway=footway or
> highway=path
>
> Further 0.44% of man_made=pier have an another highway tag (findable
> with http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sxQ - most of these are
> highway=service/pedestrian/steps).
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/man_made=pier#combinations
>
> Would be a good idea to encourage a more explicit tagging?
>
> Or maybe every single man_made=pier is walkable and highway=footway
> should be considered as implied, unless other highway value is tagged?
>
> And routers/renderers/others can consider man_made=pier and
> man_made=pier with highway=footway as the same?
>
> Or maybe it is preferable to be explicit with mapping?
>
> (I am asking here both as a data consumer and mapper as my experience
> with sailing-related things is limited)
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[Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

2017-10-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny 
During my recent mapping of marina-related areas I tagged 
piers walkable by pedestrians as both highway=footway and man_made=pier.

For an example see
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.03130=21.77232#map=18/54.03130/21.77232

This practice is currently not mentioned at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier

From taginfo data it seems that some tag this way, but it is not
popular - 2.28% of man_made=pier have also highway=footway or
highway=path

Further 0.44% of man_made=pier have an another highway tag (findable
with http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sxQ - most of these are
highway=service/pedestrian/steps).

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/man_made=pier#combinations

Would be a good idea to encourage a more explicit tagging?

Or maybe every single man_made=pier is walkable and highway=footway
should be considered as implied, unless other highway value is tagged?

And routers/renderers/others can consider man_made=pier and
man_made=pier with highway=footway as the same?

Or maybe it is preferable to be explicit with mapping?

(I am asking here both as a data consumer and mapper as my experience
with sailing-related things is limited)

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant Extensions) (Moritz)

2017-10-23 Thread Moritz 

The new proposal sounds reasonable for me.

Have you already contacted anybody who opposed the previous proposal?
I'm still thinking it would make sense to ask them individually but 
don't want to annoy them by to much contact requests.


Moritz

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