Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

[tomoya muramoto]

> For some context, here are 4 pictures.
> https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn

* 1st and 2nd: Shinto shrine?
I cannot deside its a Shinto shrine or not. It could be a Shinto
garage(Mikoshi is placed in it).
If so, I would tag it as building=garage(or yes) + religion=shinto (without
amenity=place_of_worship).

* 3rd: small wayside shrines
A sign says "A Big Cryptomeria tree of Acala Buddhism god".
Acala could be enshrined in the temple nearby.

* 4th: Tablets
It is very difficult to distinguish "memorial" and "wayside_shrine".
The words on the left tablet is "Dragon Lamp Pine tree".
There could be a legend that a dragon lighted up a pine tree here.
So I think it is historic=memorial, there was a legendary pine tree here.

> https://www.flickr.com/photos/javbw/11083806845/
It's difficult to read it. I think it is "Eternal Pine tree Lamp".
Maybe similar legend is here.

> https://www.flickr.com/photos/javbw/11091117975/
I can't read the word at all.
However it looks like a shinto object to me.
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Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-02-16 13:24 GMT+01:00 tomoya muramoto :

>
>>
>> While the shinto shrine seems to fit perfectly, I feel the statues suffer
>> from the same problem as the column: there's no shrine, especially as there
>> are (apparently) true jizo shrines, e.g. http://sokukoji.org/20140101_j
>> izo-shrine_640/
>>
>
> Shinto small shrine and Jizo are used in the almost same way;  we pray to
> these religious objects.
> I think OSM tag should be defined based on its usage, not on its physical
> shape.
>



that's where we disagree, probably. I think if the tag is about the
physical shape (wayside shrine) it should not include other things with
"the same function" or use. If we want a tag for things you can pray to,
the tag should get a different name.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

[tomoya muramoto]

>
>
> I was surprised to find man_made=torii when I was napping near Mt Haruna.
> I assume there are changes to the Japanese tagging that happen that I don't
> notice.
>
> Discussion on man_made=torii is here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA_talk:Tag:religion%3Dshinto

And Shinto related objects are defined here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Tag:religion%3Dshinto
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Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

[tomoya muramoto]

>
>
>
> While the shinto shrine seems to fit perfectly, I feel the statues suffer
> from the same problem as the column: there's no shrine, especially as there
> are (apparently) true jizo shrines, e.g. http://sokukoji.org/20140101_
> jizo-shrine_640/
>

Shinto small shrine and Jizo are used in the almost same way;  we pray to
these religious objects.
I think OSM tag should be defined based on its usage, not on its physical
shape.

Thanks
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[Tagging] delivery key

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

the definition page for the delivery key mentions some rarely or even
unused subkeys:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:delivery

These are delivery:partner and delivery:minimum. Why I agree that both are
properties that might be useful, there are issues:


delivery:partner, no proposal and used 24 times, has a multivalue problem,
and should IMHO switch to something like delivery:deliveroo=yes

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/delivery%3Apartner#values


delivery:minimum is not explicit on the units (is delivery:minimum=10 about
a currency? Is it about a quantity?) and there is not even a single
instance of it in taginfo as of now. There isn't a proposal either. Maybe
the tag name can be improved?

As both aren't established I have moved them to the talk page.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-02-15 14:53 GMT+01:00 tomoya muramoto :

> I added some photo example to wiki, https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine
>
> Japanese community has agreed to use historic=wayside_shrine to these
> objects;
> * Shinto small shrine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokora
> * Jizo, carved statue of a famous buddhist, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> K%E1%B9%A3itigarbha
> Many Japanese pray to these objects, so we decided to use the same tag.
>
>

While the shinto shrine seems to fit perfectly, I feel the statues suffer
from the same problem as the column: there's no shrine, especially as there
are (apparently) true jizo shrines, e.g.
http://sokukoji.org/20140101_jizo-shrine_640/


See discussion (ja): https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2014-
> June/008339.html


;-)


Cheers,
Martin
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