Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Anton Klim]

I believe the initial email was referring to a private-run visa assistance 
company, like VFS Global?
In the absence of a better tag I used office=company, but could see something 
like office=visa(_services) being suitable. 
It would need to be different for government agencies that might offer similar 
services in some countries. 

Ant

06.11.2018, 7:20, Allan Mustard :

> Migration services issue all visas in many countries, including tourist 
> visas. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is no OSMwiki on what government=migration is about. 
>> If you simply use the common definition of  'migration' then tourist do not 
>> fit. 
>> migration is the movement by people from one place to another with the 
>> intentions of settling
>> 
>> So a place that assist visas for tourist and business people would not 'fit'.
>> 
>> So I'd say .. office=government, government=migration does not handle this. 
>> Particularly when the office is a commercial firm, and I think has no 
>> government funding. 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/11/18 14:11, Allan Mustard wrote:
>>> The office=government, government=migration tags already handle this, no?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
 immigration does not fit all. 
 
 
 I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, 
 tourist visas or does any type of visa. 
 I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of 
 visa, rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. 
 
 
 On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:
> Amenity=immigration 
> 
> They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
> residents. 
> 
> This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need 
> to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 
> 
> It is the inverse of an embassy. 
> 
> Javbw
> 
> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
> 
>> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
>> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
>> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
>>> 
>>> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
>>> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
>>> 
>>> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>>> 
>>> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
>>> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>>> 
>>> but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
>>> 
>>> There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this 
>>> same cloud. 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Allan Mustard]

Migration services issue all visas in many countries, including tourist visas. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is no OSMwiki on what government=migration is about. 
> If you simply use the common definition of  'migration' then tourist do not 
> fit. 
> migration is the movement by people from one place to another with the 
> intentions of settling
> 
> So a place that assist visas for tourist and business people would not 'fit'.
> 
> So I'd say .. office=government, government=migration does not handle this. 
> Particularly when the office is a commercial firm, and I think has no 
> government funding. 
> 
> 
>> On 06/11/18 14:11, Allan Mustard wrote:
>> The office=government, government=migration tags already handle   this, 
>> no?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
>>> immigration does not fit all. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, tourist 
>>> visas or does any type of visa. 
>>> I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of visa, 
>>> rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:
 Amenity=immigration 
 
 They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
 residents. 
 
 This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need 
 to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 
 
 It is the inverse of an embassy. 
 
 Javbw
 
 On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
 
> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
> 
> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
>> 
>> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
>> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
>> 
>> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
>> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
>> 
>> There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this 
>> same cloud. 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

There is no OSMwiki on what government=migration is about.
If you simply use the common definition of  'migration' then tourist do 
not fit.
*migration* is the movement by people from one place to another with the 
intentions of settling


So a place that assist visas for tourist and business people would not 
'fit'.


So I'd say .. office=government, government=migration does not handle this.
Particularly when the office is a commercial firm, and I think has no 
government funding.



On 06/11/18 14:11, Allan Mustard wrote:

The office=government, government=migration tags already handle this, no?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
immigration does not fit all.



I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, 
tourist visas or does any type of visa.
I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of 
visa, rather than having to find out which particular thing they do.



On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:

Amenity=immigration

They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
residents.


This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who 
need to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country.


It is the inverse of an embassy.

Javbw

On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard > wrote:


Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either! More like a 
specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.



On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:

Hi,

Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy.

It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see


https://www.visa-germany.co.za/

I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/


but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ...

There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under 
this same cloud.



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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Allan Mustard]

The office=government, government=migration tags already handle this, no?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
> immigration does not fit all. 
> 
> 
> I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, tourist 
> visas or does any type of visa. 
> I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of visa, 
> rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. 
> 
> 
>> On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:
>> Amenity=immigration 
>> 
>> They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
>> residents. 
>> 
>> This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need to 
>> handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 
>> 
>> It is the inverse of an embassy. 
>> 
>> Javbw
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
>> 
>>> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
>>> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
 
 It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
 Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
 
 https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
 
 I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
 website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
 
 but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
 
 There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this 
 same cloud. 
 
 
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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[Warin]

Lots of people apply for tourist visas. They are not immigrants, so 
immigration does not fit all.



I don't know if that particular office only does immigration visas, 
tourist visas or does any type of visa.
I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of 
visa, rather than having to find out which particular thing they do.



On 06/11/18 12:37, John Willis wrote:

Amenity=immigration

They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal 
residents.


This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who 
need to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country.


It is the inverse of an embassy.

Javbw

On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard > wrote:


Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.



On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:

Hi,

Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy.

It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see


https://www.visa-germany.co.za/

I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/


but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ...

There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under 
this same cloud.



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Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

[John Willis]

Amenity=immigration 

They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal residents. 

This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need to 
handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. 

It is the inverse of an embassy. 

Javbw

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Allan Mustard  wrote:
> 
> Definitely not an embassy, and not a consulate, either!  More like a 
> specialized travel agency that focuses only on visa applications.
> 
> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:22 AM, Warin wrote:
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Node: Visalink Germany (4362535595) is tagged as an embassy. 
>> 
>> It is a commercial firm that arranges applications to the German 
>> Embassy/Consulate for a visa, see 
>> 
>> https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> I think tags could be office=visa, country=DE, 
>> website=https://www.visa-germany.co.za/ 
>> 
>> but not amenity=embassy, diplomatic=visa ... 
>> 
>> There are some 13 with the tag diplomatic=visa that may fall under this same 
>> cloud. 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

[Mateusz Konieczny]

5. Nov 2018 15:46 by jukka.nikulai...@helsinki.fi 
:


> Hello again
>
> Thank you for the very good critical comments! It is obvious that my original 
> proposal of a bicycle= -tag for this purpose is a bad idea, but it should be 
> introduced as a more general tag.
>
> How should I proceed? Is is best to change the current proposal status to 
> Canceled or Abandoned and introduce a new proposal with new tag values (and 
> largely the same Rationales and Applies-to's)




You can do this, but editing this page and changing proposed key is also 
perfectly OK (and may




be easier to do).

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Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

[Jo]

Hi Leif,

You made me do it! :-) I sort of stole your proposal and started creating a
new one. It differs in rather important ways from your proposal, so I
preferred not modifying your wiki page. I also think it's important to
decouple the (voting for a) full timetable solution from the solution where
tags are added to indicate interval during 'opening_hours' or a route,
which is a lot more likely to be accepted.

So here goes:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_transport_timetables

Please let me know what you think. What I still haven't figured out yet is
how to differ weekdays that fall in school holiday periods from "normal"
weekdays. So work in progress.

Polyglot

Op za 3 nov. 2018 om 16:25 schreef Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com>:

> Polyglot:
> I think that having a timetable relation for each stop is less complicated
> than having one per route.  There are several advantages to this:
> 1) People can easily add a single relation at a time, rather than having
> to do the entire line at one time.  This could make it much easier to, for
> example, have a StreetComplete quest asking "What are the arrival times of
> bus X at this bus stop?"  iD could also have a field at bus stops with
> "arrivals for each parent bus route" that would allow people to seamlessly
> create timetable relations.  It also makes more features possible in the
> future, such as additional tags to each timetable.
> 2) The system is easier for newbies to learn to use.
>
> The disadvantage is that there are now a ton of relations per bus / train
> / subway route.  Creating these could made easier by a new JOSM plugin.
> Also, if someone wanted to delete all timetable relations that are part of
> a route, they could simply use this overpass query to download the data
> into JOSM and then delete all of the timetable relations:
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Dlf
>
> If people really prefer a single timetable relation for each route, then I
> will go with that.
>
> Julien:
> Why not have a "delay"=" this platform>" tag instead of separate arrivals/departures tags?
>
> Thanks,
> Leif Rasmussen
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Re: [Tagging] How to include the new speed limits of Madrid (Spain)?

[OSMDoudou]

It reminds of this earlier discussion: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-September/039108.html.

Sorry I didn’t take the time to read it all to verify but I seem to remember it 
was dealing with the same concern of tagging explicitly or implicitly (by 
tagging a parent area).

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

[Nikulainen, Jukka K]

Hello again

Thank you for the very good critical comments! It is obvious that my original 
proposal of a bicycle= -tag for this purpose is a bad idea, but it should be 
introduced as a more general tag.

How should I proceed? Is is best to change the current proposal status to 
Canceled or Abandoned and introduce a new proposal with new tag values (and 
largely the same Rationales and Applies-to's)

Sorry, although I've been a mapper for a long time, this is my feature proposal 
(and I can't get the mailto: redirects to work either, sorry for that too).

Sincerely, Jukka
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[Tagging] How to include the new speed limits of Madrid (Spain)?

[Alejandro Moreno]

A few weeks ago has been aproved a new regulation on Madrid (Spain) and
default speed limits have been modified in 80% of streets and several new
limits have been created that I do not know how to represent in
Openstreetmaps.

The new limits are:
30km/h for streets with lanes = 1 (or without label lanes), oneway = yes
and without max-speed signal.
30km/h for streets with lanes = 2 (or without label lanes), oneway = no and
without max-speed signal.

These new limits are only imposed by the new regulations and this could
change in the future. If a street has a max-spe

How can I mapping? I think that an option is use max-speed=30km/h with
source:maxspeed=ES-Madrid:urban (or something similar) but I'm not very
confortable with this tagging. I don't know if there are any option to show
this default max-speed in a boundary.
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Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

[Paul Allen]

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 7:25 AM Colin Smale  wrote:

> On 2018-11-04 01:20, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 12:10 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> Question though (more for someone in Europe) - is a "Member of the
>> European Parliament" elected, or just appointed by their home country? Are
>> they a "politician" as such?
>>
>
> Elected.  They don't serve any useful purpose since the EU is run by
> unelected bureaucrats, but they're
> elected.
>
>
> Paul, please keep your personal politics out of this discussion.
>

I simplified.  From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament

Although the European Parliament has legislative power that the Council and
Commission do not possess, it does not formally possess legislative
initiative , as
most national
parliaments

of European Union member states do.

And then you can go down a twisty maze of Wikipedia articles to conclude
that, as parliaments go,
the European Parliament is very limited in its powers but the bureaucracy
is not.  Still, it counts
as elected representation for the purposes of the proposal.

BTW, I'm not going to insist you refrain from inferring my politics by what
I wrote, merely point
out that you inferred incorrectly.  And that by mentioning it at all, you
perpetuated this side-issue.

-- 
Paul
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