Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases
> there are 'ice meadows' along rivers and streams, where there's no tree or > shrub cover because the banks are swept with ice in the spring floods - they > have their own community of low-growing plants that can tolerate that > treatment and are often found nowhere else. Are these plants grasses and other herbaceous and annual plants? If so, perhaps these are a wetland=marsh? Or they might be a wetland=fen if there are mosses? Or are they not actually wetlands, but rather are dry ground in the summer? https://www.adirondackalmanack.com/2019/06/rare-plants-inhabit-adirondack-ice-meadows.html On 3/17/20, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:46 AM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: >> >> In American English, especially in the west, the word “meadow” is used for >> areas in the high mountains which grow grasses, sedges, annual wildflowers >> etc in the summer months after the snow melts. They might occasionally be >> used to graze cattle as rangeland, but usually are only graced by elk. >> >> I think these would be called a “fell” in parts of Britain, but they are >> somewhat similar to alpine meadows / pastures in the Swiss/Austrian alps, >> where dairy cattle graze in the summer. Those really are pastures or hay >> meadows, so perhaps Americans we got that usage from Swiss and Austrian >> immigrants, and applied it to mountain grasslands? >> >> I agree that alpine “meadows” should be tagged natural=grassland, but >> don’t be surprised to find some mapped as “landuse=meadow” in the >> mountains of California and Colorado. > > There are also 'wet meadows' - wetlands with sodden soil, but with > neither standing water nor tree cover. I've seen the scrubby ones > called 'laurel meadows' or 'alder meadows' according to the plant > community. And there are 'ice meadows' along rivers and streams, > where there's no tree or shrub cover because the banks are swept with > ice in the spring floods - they have their own community of > low-growing plants that can tolerate that treatment and are often > found nowhere else. > > Yes, these should be tagged as `natural=wetland wetland=wet_meadow`. > or `natural=scrub`, or (I can't find a good tag for ice meadows but > haven't tried to map any yet). > > -- > 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse meadow getting the right description emphases
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:46 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > In American English, especially in the west, the word “meadow” is used for > areas in the high mountains which grow grasses, sedges, annual wildflowers > etc in the summer months after the snow melts. They might occasionally be > used to graze cattle as rangeland, but usually are only graced by elk. > > I think these would be called a “fell” in parts of Britain, but they are > somewhat similar to alpine meadows / pastures in the Swiss/Austrian alps, > where dairy cattle graze in the summer. Those really are pastures or hay > meadows, so perhaps Americans we got that usage from Swiss and Austrian > immigrants, and applied it to mountain grasslands? > > I agree that alpine “meadows” should be tagged natural=grassland, but don’t > be surprised to find some mapped as “landuse=meadow” in the mountains of > California and Colorado. There are also 'wet meadows' - wetlands with sodden soil, but with neither standing water nor tree cover. I've seen the scrubby ones called 'laurel meadows' or 'alder meadows' according to the plant community. And there are 'ice meadows' along rivers and streams, where there's no tree or shrub cover because the banks are swept with ice in the spring floods - they have their own community of low-growing plants that can tolerate that treatment and are often found nowhere else. Yes, these should be tagged as `natural=wetland wetland=wet_meadow`. or `natural=scrub`, or (I can't find a good tag for ice meadows but haven't tried to map any yet). -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Add man_made=goods_conveyor to Map Features or vote on the proposal first?
I've opened an issue at JOSM to add a preset. Could someone check if there is one in iD, and if not, open an issue to add man_made=goods_conveyor at https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pulls please? - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/15/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > It’s been added to the lists at Key:man_made and Map Features. > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 5:31 AM John Willis via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Javbw >> >> > On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > I am in favor of adding it right away. >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box
Hi
1.
The name is still something that bothers me. Clarity and transparency are
importent for me.
I now understand that the name (and the description) of the feature must be
very clear, easy to understand and general so that it can be used in different
countries for similar concepts.
Thanks for the hint with ranked-choice voting, I am thinking about how we could
implement this in OSM wiki. I'm open to suggestions.
2.
Currently I want to give more time for the Proposed features/food sharing.
I never seen a hiker box in the wild, I do not know if there is a similar thing
in Switzerland. I can't say much about the nature of this thing. Based on the
description, I would prefer to map them as a separate node, as we do with
public bookcases located in a building. So we can add information on how Pepole
can find them and other infos ("level=*", "description=*", "wheelchair=*"). I
also not see the relation between a post office, shop, hotel or campsite and a
hiker box. Are these places specialized for hikers?
As I have never seen a hiker box, I do not want to make a proposal of my own.
But I would remove the amenity=give_box + hiking=yes from the description, like
the public_bookcase, when someone makes a proposal.
As I understand, "blessing boxes" are more about food like a free pantry.
I agree I also think this is not a good name for this proposal.
Markus
Von: Philip Barnes
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. März 2020 18:54
An: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box
On Sun, 2020-03-15 at 12:42 -0400, Jmapb via Tagging wrote:
On 3/15/2020 6:18 AM, Markus Peloso wrote:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box
A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in
the sense of free sharing.
Hi
After "Clarify whatever explicit abstaining is the same as no vote" and the
change of the Proposal process page I reopen the voting, maybe someone wants to
change their vote or add a comment.
In the meantime we have got some new inputs:
Summary
- We hade discuss about give box, hiker box, public refrigerator, free pantry
and food sharing and how this things could be documented in OpenStreetMap.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/food_sharing#Arguments_and_comments_from_the_Tagging_.5BPublic_refrigerators.5D_E-Mails
- New Proposed feature "food sharing"
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/food_sharing
- New Proposed feature "donation of goods"
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/donation_of_goods
- Some mappers tag blessing boxes with new amenity=give_box tag
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/RAA
Thanks for your patience and perseverance, Markus!
It's clear that give boxes will be approved as a feature. The only remaining
questions I see are:
1. What's the best tag for them? (Some people don't like "give_box" -- maybe an
opportunity to experiment with ranked-choice voting?)
2. What related amenities are distinct enough that they deserve their own
separate tags?
- Public bookcase, obviously.
- Separating the food sharing amenities seems like a good idea. I'd be in
favor of a single tag to which refrigerated=yes could be added to indicate a
public refrigerator.
- I like the idea of a separate tag for hiker boxes, because (as I mentioned
in the public refrigerator thread) it's very common to have them as part of
another map feature like post office, shop, hotel, or campsite, so simply being
able to add hiker_box=yes would be great.
- I've never heard the term "blessing box" before but it seems like they'd
best be classified as either food sharing or give box, depending on the
inventory.
Blessing box sounds like some something religious to me, so not a good term for
this proposal.
Phil (trigpoint)
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