Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

[Alberto Nogaro via Tagging]

Including path sections leading up to the scramble part appears to me as the 
only information which highway=scramble would add to the sections mapped with 
highway=path +  sac_scale = demanding_mountain_hiking or an upper value of 
sac_scale. But it's a kind of information which routers can compute without the 
need to explicitly map it.

Alberto

-Original Message-
From: Peter Elderson  
Sent: 15 September 2022 00:04
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

I would probably apply it to the actual scramble sections, though, not 
including path sections leading up to the scramble part. 


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Re: [Tagging] cable:ferry

[Alberto Nogaro via Tagging]

Maybe we might use “reaction” as a value for the ferry:cable 
  key for those specific 
types of cable ferries, and keep the value “yes” for a generic/unspecified type 
of cable ferry, and change the wiki definition accordingly.

 

Alberto

 

From: joost schouppe  
Sent: 17 December 2020 09:21
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Subject: [Tagging] cable:ferry

 

Hi,

 

This article https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dferry mentions 
ferry:cable=yes as a reaction ferry -  a specific type of cable ferry. While 
the article has a picture of a non-reaction cable ferry, it offers no tagging 
suggestion for that. So I'm guessing that in practice, there is no tag for 
reaction ferry at all, and the wiki definition of ferry:cable should be changed.


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Joost Schouppe

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Re: [Tagging] Hiking logbooks

[Alberto Nogaro via Tagging]

Related, but limited to log books placed on summits of peaks, 
summit:register=yes is documented and in use (904 uses on points).

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:summit:register

There are also limited undocumented uses of:

register=yes 3 uses
register_book 1 use

-Original Message-
From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 
Sent: 26 June 2019 10:54
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Subject: [Tagging] Hiking logbooks

Hi,

On some hiking trail there are log books, usually at the start and end and 
possibly other places for walkers to record there intentions and observations.
They can be used when someone is overdue by authorities to establish there 
likely whereabouts.

At the moment I think the closest documented tag is checkpoint:type=notebook.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:checkpoint

Description; "A paper based medium to sign/note, such as a notebook or guest 
book"
Some 55 uses of this.

There are also some used of 'logbook' - undocumented

amenity=logbook 10 uses
logbook=yes 3 uses
piste:amenity=logbook 4 uses

So..
Should 'logbooks' be tagged under checkpoint:type=notebook or should they have 
yet another tag?
If they are to be included under checkpoint:type=notebook then I'll add some 
words to the wiki to say so.
If it is a case of 'yet another tag' .. what is your recommendation?


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Re: [Tagging] key: starting=yes ??

[Alberto Nogaro]

As a node, the trailhead proposal might fit as well:



https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trailhead



Alberto



From: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com]
Sent: venerdì 11 maggio 2018 11:33
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] key: starting=yes ??



2018-05-11 11:22 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson  >:

Well, in a roundtrip there are often multiple designated starting points with a 
parking lot, information panels, bus stop or railway statin nearby, toilets. 
These designated starting points are commonly shown on paper maps and tourist 
maps, and present themselves as starting points.



I do not see how this is recorded by adding ways.





I agree it is worth tagging (if objectively observable / signposted), and agree 
with Mateusz it has to be part of the route relation, not a node. My suggestion 
would be to add a node (or more if needed) to the route relation with the role 
"start" or "starting_point".

There are already 3476 role "start" in route relations by the way: 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/relations/route#roles

And I have found some docu in the wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dfitness_trail



Cheers,

Martin



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Re: [Tagging] How might we best map emergency helicopter landing zones?

[Alberto Nogaro]

>-Original Message-
>From: Tom Pfeifer [mailto:t.pfei...@computer.org]
>Sent: mercoledì 23 novembre 2016 00:49
>To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
>Subject: Re: [Tagging] How might we best map emergency helicopter landing
>zones?
>As we just learned from the Korean mountains example, some light markings
>of a pre-planned emergency site does not constitute a helipad.
>
>Maybe the "purpose-built" goes a bit to far and causes misunderstanding, but
>I would consider a helipad to have some regular use, e.g. to receive hospital
>patients, to serve a country's president or the CEO of a large company, etc.

Ah, now it's clearer to me, I had not considered the regular use condition for 
the helipad. Since I'm mostly dealing with spots on the mountains, which are 
marked with an H, and are conceived only for emergencies or for otherwise very 
infrequent use (for example, to resupply a hut a few times a year) I now 
understand that the correct tagging should then be emergency=landing_site, 
maybe with an additional landing_site=marked.

Alberto


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Re: [Tagging] How might we best map emergency helicopter landing zones?

[Alberto Nogaro]

>-Original Message-
>From: Tom Pfeifer [mailto:t.pfei...@computer.org]
>Sent: martedì 22 novembre 2016 14:33
>To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
>Subject: Re: [Tagging] How might we best map emergency helicopter landing
>zones?
>
>aeroway=helipad should be used only for built-up infrastructure, not for
>emergency places that have a different use normally.
>
>An emergency landing place is nothing but a predefined clear space, it could
>be a soccer pitch or a big lawn in a park in normal situations.

I'm confused by the latest edits on the aeroway=helipad and 
emergency=landing_site wiki pages. I had always thought that "a large H painted 
on it visible from the air" was enough to mark the spot as aeroway=helipad, 
even if the place is mainly conceived for emergency purposes. And that 
emergency=landing_site had to be used for places without any marking, just flat 
and suitable for landing (either by airplanes and helicopters). Now it looks 
like a large visible and permanent H, as a "predefined" but not a 
"purpose-built infrastructure", should rather be marked as 
emergency=landing_site? And what about places which have nothing more than a 
visible and permanent H, but can also be used for purposes different from an 
emergency (for example, supply materials not transportable by other means)? 
Furthermore, how do we specify if an emergency=landing_site is conceived for 
helicopters or airplanes as well?

Alberto


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Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

[Alberto Nogaro]

-Original Message-
From: Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com]
Sent: martedì 4 novembre 2014 04:35
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via
climbing chains

Is this the type of thing you are talking about:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata

Depending on the length of the assisted section, you might also consider this:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Safety_measures_on_hiking_trails

Alberto


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Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

[Alberto Nogaro]

-Original Message-
From: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:tagging-
boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of John Smith
Sent: domenica 9 gennaio 2011 12.00
To: m...@koppenhoefer.com; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

It shouldn't matter, however using craft=* is likely to really confuse
native english speakers as others have pointed out craft is something
really different to a trade and expectations of that will cause people
to either complain or mistag because they're confused. I'm not sure
how to make this explicitly clear to reduce confusion, which is why
tag names are usually picked to reduce confusion.

Maybe the handycraft value might hint that the craft key is used in OSM with 
a broader meaning?

Alberto 


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Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

[Alberto Nogaro]

-Original Message-
From: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:tagging-
boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Simone Saviolo
Sent: venerdì 27 agosto 2010 9.41
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010/8/26 David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com:
 * If a street has its sidewalks mapped separately, the street itself
 should probably be tagged with foot=no.

-1. no is too strong: pedestrians are never forbidden to go on a
road (except for motorways, at least in Italy). 

Not really. In Italy pedestrians are forbidden to walk on any road, when
paths (such as sidewalks) designated for pedestrians are available. They are
only allowed to walk on a road when designated paths either don't exist or
are some reason unusable (see Codice della strada, paragraph 190, clause 1).
I don't know about other countries, though.

Regards
Alberto


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