Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

[Branko Kokanovic]

Overall - it seems that we reached some consensus here and there is no need for 
proposal, although this thread got lengthy. Please let me know in next couple 
of days if anyone thinks proposal would be better way.

Jan - I wanted to use "maxstay" as it is more common than "stay" today. But, 
what you say makes sense (there is rule that tags should somehow map to 
conditional restrictions), and it can help differentiate with "maxstay" tag (as 
this is conditional restriction only). I will change my proposal to "stay".

Andrew, I also had StreetComplete in mind. I will ping on GitHub issue (that 
you mentioned) with reference to this thread, I think this would be great 
addition to StreetComplete tasks! And expaned to "hours" instead of "h" in 
examples below too.

I agree with Martin and Andrew about erroring on safe side - at the end of the 
day, it should not matter for data processors.

Steve, Graeme - I would refrain of "scope creep" and not be involved in 
/consequences/ of not paying (towing, clamping etc.) here. Not saying this is 
not important, but this thread should be about "fee" (does this parking wants 
your money or not, to put it bluntly), not what happens if you don't pay or 
overstay. Same goes for payment/condition method - disc, gate... It should go 
into parking:condition.


So, let me try to summarize.
1. If there is fee involved, tag it as:
```
fee=yes
fee:conditional=no @ (stay < 2 hours)`
```

2. If there is no fee involved, just park for free for some amount of time and 
who-knows-what bad things happen to you after that point:
```
fee=no
maxstay=3 hours
```

Some specific  examples from this thread to see if we cover them all:
1. Shopping mall pays after 3h:
```
amenity=parking
access=customers
fee=yes
fee:conditional=no @ (stay < 2 hours)`
parking:condition=ticket
```

2. Supermarket in US that gives parking for free for 3h (no conditional fee):
```
amenity=parking
access=customers
fee=no
maxstay=3 hours
```

3. Disc in France that let you park for some time (no conditional fee):
```
highway=*
access=yes
fee=no
parking:condition=disc
parking:lane:both=parallel
parking:condition:maxstay=3h
```

I will wait 2 weeks and will ping StreetComplete and adopt wiki to better 
clarify this conditional.

Thanks, Branko

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[Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

[Branko Kokanovic]

Hi all,
There are lot of parking lots on amenities (shopping malls...), where parking 
is free for customers, but only if you park for less than some specified time 
amount (let's say 2-3h), imposed by that amenity. After that period, you have 
to pay[1]. It is widespread where I live, but I would suspect this is not 
limited to my country only. I searched and didn't found any examples on wiki 
and taginfo. We discussed this on Telegram channel a bit (thanks Mateusz 
Konieczny for help!) and we brainstormed a bit and seems that most logical way 
to put this would be with 1) conditional restriction, 2) keyword "maxstay", 
already in use for timespans. So, something like:
`fee:conditional=no @ (maxstay < 2h)`
or
`fee:conditional=yes @ (maxstay > 2h)`
(on amenity=parking)

Question is - how should I pursue this forward, since I never did any proposal 
before? Do "conditional restrictions" also fall under regular proposal process? 
I guess yes. Maybe I missed something and this already exists? Mateusz started 
discussion on 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Conditional_restrictions#Tagging_free.2Fpaid_parking_depending_on_stay_time,
 maybe we should just wait on comments there first? Is this "too small" to 
bypass proposal? I guess answer is "never".

Thanks, Branko

[1]
To cover how this works, in case you didn't had joy of experience to use this - 
you usually press machine to get ticket upon entrance (or human hand it to you) 
and ramp opens to enter. When you exit, you present ticket to machine/human and 
lift gate/ramp opens if you stayed for less than specified amount of time. It 
will not open if time limit (of how long you stayed parked) is reached and in 
that case, you have to go back and pay first to some specific place.

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