Re: [Tagging] Proposal to Change Road Classification, Road Surface, Road Condition, and Add Number of Lanes

[Dominic Coletti]

I truly find this proposal to be logical and well thought out. However, I
think that there may be better ways to pursue these goals other than
replacing the millions of ways on OSM tagged with the current schema. That
said, I think there is room to add new tags that serves a similar purpose
to what you describe.

Sincerely,
Dominic

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 7:39 PM Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You obviously did a lot of work in preparing your proposal and for that I
> thank you Alberto. However, I'm afraid I have to agree with Tom. To
> redefine the current highway tagging structure to the extent you suggest
> would be next to impossible given the free-thinking nature of many mappers,
> and any potential gains resulting from those changes would be minor
> compared to the amount of effort they would require to implement.
>
> Some of the ideas you present will come up against stiff opposition as
> well. For example, separating urban and rural roads and combining dual
> carriageways are not ones I could support.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Dominic Coletti <dcoletti.dc...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> In the UK you can add a fourth one to that list - where Royal Mail think
>> you are, for the purposes of addressing post. Doesn't correspond to any of
>> the first three options.
>>
>> This is similar in some pats of the US. USPS addresses are completely
>> different from the other three.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:43 AM Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the UK you can add a fourth one to that list - where Royal Mail think
>>> you are, for the purposes of addressing post. Doesn't correspond to any of
>>> the first three options.
>>>
>>> On 2016-03-06 16:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from a phone
>>>
>>> Am 06.03.2016 um 11:28 schrieb moltonel <molto...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> City limits rarely match the limits of urban areas. On one extreme there
>>> are multi-city agglomerations, on the other there are rural areas that are
>>> inside cities, for example in France where there is no "no-city's land",
>>> even the remotest countryside is part of a 'municipalité'.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually there's 3 different kind of settlement: one for the law on
>>> traffic (sign city limit), one political (the place and the area around
>>> that it governs, municipalité) and the socio-geographical place, where
>>> someone would say he's inside this place.
>>>
>>> The first one is the one that the OP has asked about I believe.
>>>
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Re: [Tagging] Proposal to Change Road Classification, Road Surface, Road Condition, and Add Number of Lanes

[Dominic Coletti]

In the UK you can add a fourth one to that list - where Royal Mail think
you are, for the purposes of addressing post. Doesn't correspond to any of
the first three options.

This is similar in some pats of the US. USPS addresses are completely
different from the other three.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:43 AM Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> In the UK you can add a fourth one to that list - where Royal Mail think
> you are, for the purposes of addressing post. Doesn't correspond to any of
> the first three options.
>
> On 2016-03-06 16:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> Am 06.03.2016 um 11:28 schrieb moltonel <molto...@gmail.com>:
>
> City limits rarely match the limits of urban areas. On one extreme there
> are multi-city agglomerations, on the other there are rural areas that are
> inside cities, for example in France where there is no "no-city's land",
> even the remotest countryside is part of a 'municipalité'.
>
>
>
> Actually there's 3 different kind of settlement: one for the law on
> traffic (sign city limit), one political (the place and the area around
> that it governs, municipalité) and the socio-geographical place, where
> someone would say he's inside this place.
>
> The first one is the one that the OP has asked about I believe.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

[Dominic Coletti]

I am not literate in German, but I think the idea of a dedicated website to
proposal, or at least a tool outside of the Wiki proper would be very
helpful.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:46 PM Hakuch <hak...@posteo.de> wrote:

> On 25.02.2016 06:57, Marc Gemis wrote:
> > How can we let more people with more different backgrounds participate in
> > the tagging definition process ? And do we want this ?
> >
> > I have no idea.
> >
>
> just before I read this topic, I started a thread in the (german, sorry)
> forum to discuss about a Proposal Tool. I think it would help if we
> would have a nice, clear and well arranged Website/Tool for proposal and
> voting.
>
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53748
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Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

[Dominic Coletti]

I meant a more formal incorporation such as adjusting the votes required
based on Taginfo data. That said, I fully support how we currently use it.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 13:32 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Am 24.02.2016 um 18:57 schrieb Dominic Coletti <dcoletti.dc...@gmail.com
> >:
> >
> > Do you have an alternative? For example, incorporating Taginfo into the
> process.
>
>
> can you explain? I think taginfo is usually involved in the process, in
> the sense that people look tags up in taginfo before voting.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

[Dominic Coletti]

Do you have an alternative? For example, incorporating Taginfo into the
process.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:39 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> Am 23.02.2016 um 22:48 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@gmail.com>:
>
> >>> Approval rate: 68.97%. Less than required 74% so provisional
> >>> rejection; proposer to make final call.
> >>
> >> The tricky bit of course is that those percentages are "of the people
> >> who voted".
> >
> > It is not surprising that only people who voted were voting.
>
>
> yes, but it's surprising that we have made changes to the tagging system
> via wiki so incredibly difficult. A minority of few more than a quarter of
> all contributors could block the rest (e.g. if all of them voted) in a
> decision. This is completely theoretical of course, but it illustrates that
> there's likely something wrong with the current way of counting votes in
> the wiki.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Internet cafe

[Dominic Coletti]

I agree that not all developing countries have internet cafés but I noticed
several such establishments in Africa, specifically Uganda. There, the tag
would be hugely beneficial.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 7:27 PM Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Replying in part to Dominic's comment: Internet cafes are fairly rare here
> in Thailand because Internet is available in almost every public venue;
> hotels, coffee shops, even bars. What we do see are gaming rooms, full of
> internet-connected computers and teenagers. While Thailand is not quite a
> first-world country, it is way ahead of the U.S. in terms of Internet
> adoption, fiber connections to homes, etc. I have fast fiber service in my
> rental home, TV with 40 cable-channels included, for about $20 USD per
> month. In the U.S. I would need to pay 2 or 3 times that amount for low end
> DSL and even now very few places offer fiber.
>
> The terms discussed in the proposal, cybercafe and other variants that
> imply food and beverage, don't work well for those places because they are
> for gaming. One would not go there because it's a cafe; any food or drink
> is offered purely as a convenience. I've never tagged any of these because
> I'm not quite sure how to tag them.
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Dominic Coletti <dcoletti.dc...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I feel like phone and fax are distinct to internet cafés, and should not
>> be simply thrown out. Especially in developing countries where
>> infrastructure is not as advanced.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:52 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/02/2016 4:33 AM, Johnparis wrote:
>>>
>>> A place whose principal role is providing communication services
>>> (internet, telephone and/or fax).
>>>
>>>
>>> Telephone?
>>> Fax?
>>> Don't thing these are frequent?
>>>
>>> No mention of coffee/tea/cake?
>>>
>>> Nor a mention of additional services such as wifi, CD/DVD burning,
>>> printing
>>>
>>> Think there is a need to indicate how to tag such things that will
>>> probably occur for some places.
>>>
>>> Other than the fee .. probably the most important thing about these
>>> places is the download/upload speed. Some way of tagging that would be
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Sorry to pollute the original idea ... but these thing help identify the
>>> 'internet_cafe' from the 'cafe with internet'.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Internet_cafe
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Internet cafe

[Dominic Coletti]

I feel like phone and fax are distinct to internet cafés, and should not be
simply thrown out. Especially in developing countries where infrastructure
is not as advanced.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:52 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24/02/2016 4:33 AM, Johnparis wrote:
>
> A place whose principal role is providing communication services
> (internet, telephone and/or fax).
>
>
> Telephone?
> Fax?
> Don't thing these are frequent?
>
> No mention of coffee/tea/cake?
>
> Nor a mention of additional services such as wifi, CD/DVD burning,
> printing
>
> Think there is a need to indicate how to tag such things that will
> probably occur for some places.
>
> Other than the fee .. probably the most important thing about these places
> is the download/upload speed. Some way of tagging that would be good.
>
> Sorry to pollute the original idea ... but these thing help identify the
> 'internet_cafe' from the 'cafe with internet'.
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Internet_cafe
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting (reminder) - Jewellery shop

[Dominic Coletti]

You are making a mountain out of a molehill, IMO. If the so called American
variant is the one most used, I see no point in changing it. Besides,
language is constantly evolving, often in the interest of making words
simpler, and perhaps it's time for the needless double "L" in jewellry to
bid a fond farewell to the OSM scene.

+1

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:01 PM Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You are making a mountain out of a molehill, IMO. If the so called
> American variant is the one most used, I see no point in changing it.
> Besides, language is constantly evolving, often in the interest of making
> words simpler, and perhaps it's time for the needless double "L" in
> jewellry to bid a fond farewell to the OSM scene.
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If us_en is allowed once .. it may well become the dominate entry. Then OSM 
>> will have a few remaining tag using uk-en and these will then be subject to 
>> change to us-en.
>>
>> Fight it here, overcome it and it can be overcome again.
>> I have nothing against other languages being used .. provided they are 
>> specific to that culture. Jewellery is fairly universal and should use uk-en.
>>
>>
>> On 15/02/2016 11:56 AM, Hakuch wrote:
>>
>> oh my god, I didn't recognize that this was a real proposal process and
>> a voting already has started.
>>
>> I also love to care for more consistency in the data, but this will
>> result in the straight opposite of consistency. With 20.000 against 200,
>>  and "Editors and data consumers only support the American variant"
>> (quoted from your proposal) we already HAVE consistency, you are going
>> to destroy this just because of a language issue. You will create
>> unneccessary confusion and work, that could be invested in much better
>> projects for consistency.
>>
>> I cant understand, that you want to damage a such well-supported tagging
>> scheme just for consistency on a very needelssly level.
>>
>> On 15.02.2016 00:43, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Voting for the proposal to replace shop=jewelry by shop=jewellery is still 
>> open.
>>
>> The proposal can be found 
>> here:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop
>>
>> I would like to thank all voters in advance for their contribution.
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging problem for a river running in a culvert below a track / wiki votes enforcement

[Dominic Coletti]

Perhaps a width tag could be helpful in this situation.

Dominic

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:09 AM Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 25/01/2016 13:40, David Marchal wrote:
>
> ...  it isn't a bridge, ...
>
>
> Would 2 separate riverbank polygons, separated by the culvert, perhaps by
> more "correct" here?
>
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Re: [Tagging] Removing name_1 and alt_name_1 from Wiki

[Dominic Coletti]

I see 808,000 uses of name_1 and 65,000 of name_2.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:07 AM moltonel 3x Combo <molto...@gmail.com>
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> On 19/01/2016, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's not used by anyone as far as I can see:
> >
> > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%3B%3B
> >
> > (unless taginfo is doing some special filtering)
>
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%3B (a single ";") doesn't
> find any value either, so taginfo can't be used like that.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - recycling:coffee_capsules

[Dominic Coletti]

Is it really worth explicitly voting on?  "recycling:blah" is well
established already: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=recycling
- why not just use it?

I agree to an extent. I think that we should make the proposal broader.
Though I know OSM tagging is "tag what you want," standardization and
official use is, IMHO, useful to both data consumers and users alike. "Just
using it" can create confusion, especially among newer mappers.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:56 PM Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/01/2016 20:37, Ulrich Meier wrote:
> > ...
> > So here's the voting. I hope you agree with me...
> >
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/recycling:coffee_capsules
> >
>
> Is it really worth explicitly voting on?  "recycling:blah" is well
> established already: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=recycling
> - why not just use it?
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Location transitions

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Can you provide an example for this situation please ?

I think about power=substation + substation=transition but several
different features can emerge from it and location:transition may indicate
where exactly in the given substation (which goes nowhere itself)

I think one example is with subway tunnel portals.


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> Le 9 janv. 2016 10:22 AM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" <dieterdre...@gmail.com>
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> >
> > this is currently proposed to be used only on nodes, but might be useful
> for polygons as well.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Martin
>
> Hi Martin
>
> Can you provide an example for this situation please ?
>
> I think about power=substation + substation=transition but several
> different features can emerge from it and location:transition may indicate
> where exactly in the given substation (which goes nowhere itself)
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Re: [Tagging] Specifying maxweight, when different weight limits are signed

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you should specify the maxweight for all vehicles distinctly, e.g.
maxweight:hgv=
maxweight:bus=

+1

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> >
> > What's the right way to specify maxweight when the weight limit sign has
> different values for different vehicles?  Just use the highest value shown?
>
>
> you should specify the maxweight for all vehicles distinctly, e.g.
> maxweight:hgv=
> maxweight:bus=
>
> http://taginfo.osm.org/keys/maxweight%3Ahgv
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Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

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"An aquatic centre would normally contain aquaria with typically sea
creatures, often associated with research. A sort of sea-museum.
Definitely no swimming pool, although I suppose that a very eccentric
such centre might offer the experience of swimming with dolphins, but I
doubt it."

Also not true in the U.S. Where I live, most of the larger indoor swimming
pools, especially those that host competitions are known as aquatic
centers. None of them (even the eccentric ones) have live animals in the
water. :-)

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> > creatures, often associated with research. A sort of sea-museum.
> > Definitely no swimming pool, although I suppose that a very eccentric
> > such centre might offer the experience of swimming with dolphins, but I
> > doubt it.
>
> That doesn't seem to be exactly true, I can find aquatic(s) centre in
> London, Manchester, Liverpool and Sunderland (amongst others), and all
> of them offer swimming, not dolphins :)
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - tag:adoption_agency

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Thank you, Marcos.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:08 PM Marcos Oliveira <
marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Proposal page. [1]
>
> [1] -
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:adoption_agency
>
> 2015-12-16 2:20 GMT+00:00 Dominic Coletti <dcoletti.dc...@gmail.com>:
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - tag:adoption_agency

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The adoption agency proposal is now open for voting.
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Re: [Tagging] How to tag the inner part of a roundabout?

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"I'd map the island as what it is (i.e. surface, landcover, kerb, flowers,
grass, artwork, etc.). No need to say this is the center of a roundabout,
because that's already in the data."

+1

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> 2015-12-09 9:31 GMT+01:00 Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>
> :
>
>> I found many places where mappers tried to map the island in the
>>
>> roundabout, e.g. :
>>
>> 1) highway=island or highway=traffic_island
>>
>> 2) traffic_calming=island
>>
>> 3) landuse=traffic_island
>>
>>
>> 1) I'd prefer not to use highway=*  for ways which do not describe a
>> means of transportation.
>>
>> 2) The wiki for traffic_calming=island describes the use as a node on (or
>> as a part of )a highway=*,
>>
>> both will not work here
>>
>> 3) At a first glance landuse=traffic_island looks best to me, but the wiki
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Traffic_island
>>
>> says that this tag should be used for islands which help
>> pedestrians/cyclists to cross
>>
>> the roads, I think this is typically not true for a roundabout.
>>
>
>
> +1, you could use the traffic_island tag in this context if the roundabout
> can be walked on (i.e. there are explicit footway crossings transversing
> the island).
> traffic_calming=island doesn't seem a good fit, if I'd use any traffic
> calming tags here, the value would be roundabout (but doesn't seem to add
> information other than a judgement on the scope).
>
>
>
>> The wiki for junction=roundabout doesn't say a word about how to map the
>> island:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout
>>
>> Any better ideas?
>>
>>
> I'd map the island as what it is (i.e. surface, landcover, kerb, flowers,
> grass, artwork, etc.). No need to say this is the center of a roundabout,
> because that's already in the data.
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Re: [Tagging] RFC - tag: office=adoption_agency

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>
> it is not about legal dependency or guardianship, but rather about titles
> and inheritance rights. Wikipedia has a short article on it:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_adoption
>
​That is correct, but note that there are no adoption agencies for adults,
it is predominately handled in probate court or other courts (see Wikipedia
article)​


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> 2015-12-01 5:18 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Better might be: nodes (the node should be placed in the centre of the
>> area occupied by the adoption agency)
>
>
>
> you can also use an area instead of the node. An area has certain
> advantages (says something about the size, can contain further objects like
> areas and nodes) and some disadvantages (more work to draw, more complex to
> edit) and requires more information (an idea about the extent of the thing).
>
>
> I think an 'adult' cannot be 'adopted' - they are legally independent -
>> not subject to guardianship by parenting.
>>
>
> it is not about legal dependency or guardianship, but rather about titles
> and inheritance rights. Wikipedia has a short article on it:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_adoption
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Re: [Tagging] RFC - tag: office=adoption_agency

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>
> Better might be: nodes (the node should be placed in the centre of the
> area occupied by the adoption agency)
>
​Better might be: "Definition: A place where prospective parent/s may adopt
> a child or children"
>
​​
 Both fixed.​


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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/12/2015 12:05 PM, Dominic Coletti wrote:
>
> I appreciate the feedback and was able to check out the Taginfo. One
> solution I saw was shop=charity. One thing that could be used is
> shop=charity and type=adoption_agency or something similar. The problem of
> the office (or shop) tag describing the whole building would be tagging a
> node on the building, along with nodes representing other offices or what
> have you within the building.
>
> Thanks for all of your feedback.
>
>
> shop=charity is not what you want! Please read the wiki?
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcharity
>
> It says "selling a mixture of second hand goods, donated by the public. eg
> books, clothing, toys, furniture. May also sell some new products, eg
> confectionery, crafts."
>
> --
> +1 for the intention of the tag.
>
> -
> Trivial nit picking - this is not a rejection. Nor a compliant. Unlike
> some I would not reject a proposal due to the wording!
>
> "*Definition: A way to tag places where prospective parents can adopt
> children"*
>
> This should be the definition of what you want to tag...
>
> Better might be: "Definition: A place where prospective parent/s may adopt
> a child or children"
>
> And
> "*Applies to*
>
> *The proposed tag **office
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office>=adoption_agency
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:office%3Dadoption_agency=edit=1>**
> would be used on either: *
>
>-
> * nodes (in which case the node should be placed near the middle of the
>building in which the adoption agency is contained) *
>
> This assumes that the adoption agency occupies the whole thing. If the
> adoption agency only occupies a section of the building?
>
> Better might be: nodes (the node should be placed in the centre of the
> area occupied by the adoption agency)
>
> == children vs adult
> I think an 'adult' cannot be 'adopted' - they are legally independent -
> not subject to guardianship by parenting.  Again this is just a note - for
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Re: [Tagging] RFC - tag: office=adoption_agency

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>
> you can also use an area instead of the node. An area has certain
> advantages (says something about the size, can contain further objects like
> areas and nodes) and some disadvantages (more work to draw, more complex to
> edit) and requires more information (an idea about the extent of the thing
> ​).
>
​The proposal does specify that areas can be used. In this case, they
should outline the area of the agency.​


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>
> 2015-12-01 5:18 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Better might be: nodes (the node should be placed in the centre of the
>> area occupied by the adoption agency)
>
>
>
> you can also use an area instead of the node. An area has certain
> advantages (says something about the size, can contain further objects like
> areas and nodes) and some disadvantages (more work to draw, more complex to
> edit) and requires more information (an idea about the extent of the thing).
>
>
> I think an 'adult' cannot be 'adopted' - they are legally independent -
>> not subject to guardianship by parenting.
>>
>
> it is not about legal dependency or guardianship, but rather about titles
> and inheritance rights. Wikipedia has a short article on it:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_adoption
>
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Re: [Tagging] RFC - tag: office=adoption_agency

[Dominic Coletti]

The "orphaned" has been removed, but I feel as if adult adoptions are
typcially not handled through an agency and therefore the "children"is fine
as is. I also feel as if the tag is similar to the tag office=realtor or
similar. I feel as if the building=* tag is acceptable because of this.
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>
> sent from a phone
>
> Am 30.11.2015 um 01:50 schrieb Dominic Coletti <dcoletti.dc...@gmail.com>:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:adoption_agency
> This proposal serves as a way to tag places where prospective parents can
> adopt orphaned children
>
>
>
> I would remove the word "orphaned", unsure about "children", but
> maybe/likely agencies that bring children and adopters together are
> different to agencies that arrange adoptions for adults?
>
> I'd also remove the building =commercial constraint/suggestion. No need to
> be overly specific. Also, area=yes is not needed for buildings in general.
> IMHO this tag has nothing to do with buildings and at most the proposal
> should contain a link to the building key definition.
>
> +1 to the idea
>
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - tag:adoption_agency

[Dominic Coletti]

Link to Proposal Page
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:adoption_agency>
Definition– A way to tag places where prospective parents can adopt
orphaned children.
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[Tagging] RFC - tag: office=adoption_agency

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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:adoption_agency
This proposal serves as a way to tag places where prospective parents can
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Re: [Tagging] Proposed Feature Adoption

[Dominic Coletti]

I am sorry about that. I had all intentions of doing so last night, but
completely forgot. Here it is:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:adoption_agency

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:53 AM Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us>
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> Can you save us all a lot of time and provide the link to the proposal?
>
> Thanks,
> clifford
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Dominic Coletti <dcoletti.dc...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have proposed a new tag for tagging adoption agencies:
>> office=adoption_agency. It is currently in "Draft" mode, but I am seeking
>> comments from the community in order to refine the proposition.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
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[Tagging] Proposed Feature Adoption

[Dominic Coletti]

Hi all,

I have proposed a new tag for tagging adoption agencies:
office=adoption_agency. It is currently in "Draft" mode, but I am seeking
comments from the community in order to refine the proposition.

Thanks in advance,
Dominic Coletti
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[Tagging] Road Running Railways

[Dominic Coletti]

Hi all,

I have noticed that there is no set tag for rails that are embedded within
the road. One strategy I have had is to tag the road as highway=* and add
another line with railway=rail. I just wanted to reach out to the community
and see if there is another way.

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President & CEO
3Dreams Design
205 Anamoor Dr
Cary, NC 27513
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