Re: [Tagging] How to tag monumental railcars

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

Here in my zone railway carriages are not rarely used to "decorate"
restaurants or clubs.[1][2]

2017-05-07 15:26 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

> could be historic=freight_car or railway_carriage or waggon etc.
>
I've used historic=wagon for the cargo and historic=carriage for the
passenger ones.[3]

For both tags I would assume that the thing doesn't move anymore.
>
+1

Lorenzo

[1] http://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3893/15202332275_eb03e4c0d0_z.jpg
[2]
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/70/22/42/la-locanda-di-sant-agata.jpg
[3] https://osm.org/go/xX~I9u4W8?layers=D=460707523
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Re: [Tagging] Restaurant that doesn't sell alcohol...

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-04-11 16:39 GMT+02:00 Michal Fabík :

> But then some information will always be lost. If a restaurant is tagged
> with alcohol=bring_your_own, can I still order a beer there? If it's tagged
> with alcohol=yes, can I bring my own wine? Does alcohol=no mean "no alcohol
> sold" or "no alcohol tolerated"?
> Regards,
>
+1
Here in Italy is pretty common that you can bring your wine at the
restaurant and they chill and serve your own wine to you.
And this happen in restaurants that sell wine or alcohol.

Another specific tag is needed to clarify this wider combination.

Something like:
bottle_service=yes/no/corkage_fee (if the restaurant charge a fee)

or

bottle_service=yes/no
+ bottle_service:fee=yes/no

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Spillways

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-03-24 1:42 GMT+01:00 John Willis :

>
> The thing I am tagging is not a dam. It is a series of flood basins, one
> of which is a "reservoir". They are made by levees that surround the
> rivers, but in a very complicated way. They eventually return all the water
> back to the river, shortly after it is captured.
>

I had the same problem here in the Po valley[1].
In the whole Po valley there are very complicated systems of levees to
manage the river floods.

Months ago we started a discussion here[2] that led only to few
considerations.

Lorenzo

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po_Valley
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-
November/030693.html
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Re: [Tagging] Starbucks or Starbucks Coffee

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-03-22 10:21 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson :

> ...and that's how Martin was found murdered under the Alaska Way Viaduct.
>

I'm really sorry for the OT, but this moment is perfect for this:
http://brilliantmaps.com/italian-food/

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Is there a way to make tags better?

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-03-16 18:55 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić :

> What about using an existing solution, Wikibase (of which Wikidata is an
> example)?
>
> [...]
>

> And countless other examples...
>

+1
I was thinking about this for the wiki translations.
A tag description has to be translated, of course, in every language. But
some data, like related tags or link to proposition or many parts of
{{ValueDescription}} template[1], could be generalized sparing much of the
translation work resulting in a more updated wiki.

Lorenzo

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:ValueDescription
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Re: [Tagging] how to care about different seasonal road close?

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-03-16 22:23 GMT+01:00 yo paseopor :

> Idea:
>
> access:conditional=no @ (winter)
> access:conditional=no @ (snow)
> note=check availability access during first trimester
>

+1

I remember also a past discussion on this:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-November/030681.html

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-03-12 22:27 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 12 Mar 2017, at 17:04, althio  wrote:
>
> Well then as Thilo said, if it is not
> "tourism=apartment"
> it is
> "tourism=chalet"
>
>
>
> it is neither, the established tourism tags describe quite specific
> accommodation types in osm and these bigger venues to rent as a whole are
> not covered by any of them, as far as I can see.
>
> a chalet according to the wiki :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dchalet
> A type of accommodation. The term chalet is used in the hospitality
> industry to describe one or more detached holiday cottages with
> self-contained cooking facilities and/or bathroom and toilet facilities.
>

+1
I totally agree.
Both tourism=apartment and tourism=chalet are for detached houses.
With number_of_apartments=* you can specify a building with many
apartments, but not a building like a very big apartment.

To clarify I've found some pictures:
- https://ibin.co/3FOpHCbLtFVo.jpg
- https://ibin.co/3FOph7H8yefQ.jpg
- https://ibin.co/3FOpr6iSeNT6.jpg

Some of them were formerly (50 to 70 years ago) hotels, the capacity is
from 30 to 80 people. The kitchen is only one for all.

Doing some proposal: is best to create a new tag (like
tourism=vacation_house) or to add a tag to tourism=apartment (like
groups=yes or simply capacity=80)?

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-03-12 16:10 GMT+01:00 althio :

> From your description, I understand that tourism=apartment is a good fit.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dapartment
>
> It can be "applied to a building containing one or more holiday flats".
> You can "tag an entire building in case there are several apartments
> in the building".
>
> tourism=apartment
> number_of_apartments=*
> capacity=*
>

Rather than number_of_apartments=* should be number_of_rooms=*. :)
Because it's not a building with many apartments or a single apartment or a
single family house, but a building (in a way is 'a very big apartment')
with high capacity and suited for groups (big common places rather than a
simple living room or a simple dining room).

I was trying to figure out if it could make sense to create a more specific
tag like tourism=vacation_house or tourism=holiday_house.

Maybe tourism=apartment + groups=yes...

The capacity=* tag is very useful in this case. Thank you.

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-03-11 13:25 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug :

> Hi Lorenzo,
>
> I just know youth hostels which offer that.
>
In this case it's definitely not a youth hostel.
First because it's not only for youth, second because a hostel is operated
by someone (a person or a company) which is not the case of these holiday
houses.

The main characteristic of these holiday houses is that there is no
operator and the group have to manage it autonomously (they have to clean,
to cook, bring the sheets to sleep and the food...).

Lorenzo
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[Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

Hi all,
I'm searching a valid tag for an holiday house rented to groups.

It's something like tourism=apartment, but it's not a single apartment or a
single family house, but an entire house (for example a former hotel) with
many bedrooms, with a big kitchen and common places suited for groups that
want to rent it and use it autonomously for an entire holiday (not like a
tourism=guest_house which has an operator).

I think something like tourism=vacation_house (not to be confused with a
second home for vacation) or tourism=holiday_house.
Wich could be the best?

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - CoreIndoor

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

2017-02-08 10:16 GMT+01:00 Pavel Zbytovský :

> Its not about new tags, just through explanation of cases for level=*
> ad level=-1-8) It means -1 to 8. This is already well established and not
> matter for discussion.
>

Hi Pavel,
so if we have an elevator for the underground levels only (eg. from level
-8 to level -1) it will be level=-8--1?

Lorenzo

P.s.: I'm happy to see that someone made a thesis on OSM! :)
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Re: [Tagging] better mapping for embankments / slopes

[Lorenzo "Beba"; Beltrami]

It makes sense that a road embankment have only one slope.

Perhaps for a levee[1] we need a specific tagging system because a levee
has always two slopes.

I'm native of the Po Valley where levees are along every river (Volker can
confirm it ;) ).
A levee for flood prevention could be simple[2] but even a wide and complex
feature[3] to map.

Lorenzo

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levee#River_flood_prevention
[2]
http://www.navecorsara.it/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Stirone_argine_1-580x435.jpg
[3]
http://bur.regione.veneto.it/resourcegallery/photos/465_Guarda%20Veneta_ro_Panorama%20con%20argine.jpg

2016-11-29 23:28 GMT+01:00 Kevin Kenny :

> 'Embankment' is frequently used for a built-up structure on a steep
> hillside that keeps a road, railroad, or similar feature from sliding into
> a gorge or river. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Embankment_%28transportation%29#/media/File:Embankment_1_%28PSF%29.png
> for an illustration from Wikipedia. Except for the portion crossing the
> tributary stream, the road in the picture is clearly NOT banked on the
> uphill side, so the embankment here is what Warin was describing as
> 'one-sided.'
>
> Locally to me, this is the commonest sense of the word.
>
> I am a native speaker of American English, and I live in terrain heavily
> sculpted by the glaciers of the last Ice Age, where highway and railroad
> embankments are relatively common.
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 29 November 2016 at 22:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not all embankment have 2 slopes
>>>
>>
>> To my understanding of the English term, an "embankment" is the
>> equivalent of dyke or levee and is a long, narrow man-made elevation.
>> Therefore they always have two slopes of opposite directions (leaving out
>> the ends)
>>
>> What Martin proposes should get a different tag name to distinguish it
>> from an embankment. The term "on-sided enmbankment" is used in OSM for
>> this, but I do not like it at all. I strongly recommend to use a different
>> tag name. I used "slope" as this is the term used to describe the inclined
>> flanks of levees (=embankments).
>>
>>
>> Length - simple set as the length of the way. Cliffs are tagged as a
>> single way at the top of the cliff, with the right hand side being
>> 'downwards' when facing the direction of the way.
>>
>> Vertical rise - could be tagged with the height key.. this can vary over
>> the length of the feature (I have found this on some maps as a number in
>> meters ... assumed to be the maximum vertical locally rise in meters) To
>> accomodate teh change in vertical height .. put the height on individual
>> nodes?
>>
>> Slope - or in OSM terms 'incline'. This in OSM is entered as a way along
>> the top where the slope would be minimal and not what 'we' want to
>> describe. ... as cliffs, cuttings and embankments are best described this
>> way I think incline may not be the best thing to tag? Humm stairs are
>> described using the incline key ... but on a way that goes up .. leaving
>> the top and bottom free of this. So maybe a top and bottom way .. with a
>> simple way from bottom to top containing the incline information?
>>
>> While the 'top' and 'bottom' of natural features can be a bit fuzzy they
>> are features that should be mapped. Definition? Something for a geologist?
>> Along the lines of the line formed by the intersection of the average slope
>> of land before the change to the average slope of land after the change (
>> the change being the cliff, embankment or cutting)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30-Nov-16 01:25 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to micromap slopes you should create a new key "slope" or
>>> something similar. An embankment has two slopes. It is equivalent to dyke
>>> or levee. The one-side embankments that are defined in the OSM wiki, are in
>>> reality slopes and should be retagged accordingly.
>>>
>>> Independently of the name used fo the tag I see the prblem of defining
>>> where the slope starts, normally these are rounded features.
>>>
>>> On 29 November 2016 at 13:48, Martin Koppenhoefer <
>>> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Currently we are mapping only one side of the embankment (I think it's
 the upper side, but am not sure if the wiki says this explicitly), with the
 direction. What we would IMHO need is a way to map the lower side as well
 and to combine both. A closed polygon will not work I believe.

 The obvious solution that comes to mind is a new relation type: in case
 the upper end is mapped, draw a new way for the lower end and combine both
 with a relation (possibly assigning roles like upper and lower, maybe also
 draw lateral ways (ways that connect the ends of the upper and lower ways
 and defines their shape) in cases they are not straight). (The type=area
 relation does this)

 Maybe it could also be done without the