[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Cash withdrawal

[amilopowers]

Hello
My proposal "cash withdrawal" is now ready to vote on.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal

With my best regards
Ueli aka amilopowers


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[Tagging] Fw: Feature Proposal - RFC - cash_withdrawal

[amilopowers]

Hello

Thanks for your help and time you spent improving my proposal.

On Thursday evening about 20:00 UTC I plan to go to voting stage.

If you would like to add comments this is the right time. You need more time to 
work on this or know someone interested that needs time? - No problem let me 
know I'll wait longer then.

Again the link: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal

With my best regards
Ueli aka amilopowers


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
Am Samstag, August 24, 2019 8:13 AM schrieb :

> Hello Everyone
> 

> My proposal went from draft to rfc: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal
> 

> Definition:
> There are more and more supermarkets, kiosks, convenience shops, railway 
> ticket offices and others where you can get cash at the cashier (checkout). 
> They are not an ATM because they are either operated by an employee (till) or 
> you use a device that is primarily a self-service checkout. I most cases I 
> know, the services are limited to specific banks, cards or networks and you 
> usually can't get money if you are from abroad. Furthermore there is a system 
> called "Sonect". With the app of their service you can get cash at kiosks and 
> other places such as bars and convenience shops.
> 

> I am happy to read your further comments.
> 

> With my best regards
> Ueli aka amilopowers
> 

> 
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cash_withdrawal

[amilopowers]

Hello Everyone

My proposal went from draft to rfc: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal

Definition:
There are more and more supermarkets, kiosks, convenience shops, railway ticket 
offices and others where you can get cash at the cashier (checkout). They are 
not an ATM because they are either operated by an employee (till) or you use a 
device that is primarily a self-service checkout. I most cases I know, the 
services are limited to specific banks, cards or networks and you usually can't 
get money if you are from abroad. Furthermore there is a system called 
"Sonect". With the app of their service you can get cash at kiosks and other 
places such as bars and convenience shops.

I am happy to read your further comments.

With my best regards
Ueli aka amilopowers


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Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

[amilopowers]

Hello Everyone

Thank you for your comments, thoughts and ideas.

I try to answer to every point made and I am sorry if I miss something.

Please checkout "Revision 1" of the draft in the tagging section. Some of your 
questions are answered there because I agree with them. Furthermore I made some 
changes in the "Features/Pages affected" section. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal

Graeme:
Character limit:
I agree with you that it might not be too handy to find something in a long 
value but to enter it I personally find it easier like that. The payment scheme 
is very annoying IMHO. Character limit could indeed be a problem. Honestly have 
you ever seen a value with more than 255 characters?

Philip:
"Cash back"
Yes I have heard of that term in talk-ch yet but as Martin already said this 
would be very confusing for most mappers. I guess everyone else that British 
are more used to "withdraw money" at least I never met an ATM abroad with 
another term.

Paul:
I agree with you that this should be an attribute not a tag to use on every 
till. However we can't foresee how mappers will use it.

Philip (off topic):
Yes there should be a tag for those mini post offices. They spread all over 
Switzerland. Do you mind to prepare something? Recently I tried to map a DHL 
collection point and failed because amenity=post_office is definitely wrong.

Happy to hear more of you!

With my best regards
Ueli
 


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
Am Donnerstag, August 22, 2019 3:29 PM schrieb Philip Barnes 
:

> 

> 

> On Thursday, 22 August 2019, Paul Allen wrote:
> 

> > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 13:09, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
> > 

> > > In British English the term used is Cashback.
> > 

> > I can confirm that. I'm not sure, but I think it's only possible to get
> > cashback if you make
> > a purchase. But that could just be a policy of some stores, or I could be
> > completely wrong
> > (I've never tried to get cashback without making a purchase).
> > Its never been something I have thought of tagging, just an option we
> > 

> > > assume to be available at supermarkets.
> > 

> > And convenience stores, such as Spar (my local Spar doesn't charge for
> > cashback but I'm
> > told other shops in the franchise do).
> > I don't think it would be sensible to tag nodes with the intention of
> > having them rendered
> > in some way, as in a large supermarket it would mean mapping every till.
> > Even my local
> > Spar has three tills, and it's not a big shop. Probably best as a property
> > on the shop
> > itself.
> > Incidentally, I recall reading somewhere I cannot remember (and can
> > definitely not vouch
> > for the accuracy of the info) that cashback arose because banks charge a
> > fee on large(?)
> > shops depositing their takings, and that fee is a percentage of the size of
> > the deposit.
> > Various EPOS vendors decided they could give shops a cashback facility and
> > charge
> > a lower percentage of the transaction than the shop would pay a bank to
> > deposit it. If
> > this is all true, the shops aren't doing you a favour, they're doing
> > themselves a favour
> > by giving you an incentive to use them, doing themselves a favour by
> > reducing the
> > fee they pay the bank, and triple-dipping if they charge you for cashback.
> 

> Avoiding charges for banking cash is my understanding of the reason for shops 
> offing this service too.
> 

> Phil (trigpoint)
> 

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> 

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[Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

[amilopowers]

Hello

I filed a draft for a new tag called "cash_withdrawal".

Please comment in the wiki. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cash_withdrawal

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[Tagging] Whispering asphalt

[amilopowers]

Hello

I used to live in Fribourg, Switzerland where they put "whispering asphalt" on 
one of the main roads in order to prevent noise. You can barely hear an EV now, 
but that is another story.

Since we have quite a lot of discussions about noise pollution I thought it 
might be a good idea to implement a tag for that.

surface=whispering_asphalt or surface=silent_asphalt came to my mind but I 
don't know what the official term for that aspahlt in English is. In German we 
call it "Flüsterbelag" or "Flüsterasphalt".

Then I found on Overpass-Turbo someone that tagged "asphalt:type=porous". [1] 
Since I don't work in that area I don't know for sure if this is the same thing 
as I imagine and I found only one Wikipedia article in German [2] about that 
asphalt I mean.

I personally prefer one of my first ideas, since I hate to add another 
key/value if I can say it in one.

I look forward to hear your thoughts and comments.

Regards
Ueli (amilopowers)

[1] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Iky (click "run")
[2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt#Offenporiger_Asphalt


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - recycling:coffee_capsules

[amilopowers]

Hello

This is a reminder. Please vote... Or maybe we'll just use it. I am not shure 
if you tried to say me that voting is useless because we can just use it or 
because it is a useless tag...

Am 13. Januar 2016 03:30:51 MEZ, schrieb Dominic Coletti 
:
>Is it really worth explicitly voting on?  "recycling:blah" is well
>established already:
>http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=recycling
>- why not just use it?
>
>I agree to an extent. I think that we should make the proposal broader.
>Though I know OSM tagging is "tag what you want," standardization and
>official use is, IMHO, useful to both data consumers and users alike.
>"Just
>using it" can create confusion, especially among newer mappers.
>
>On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:56 PM Andy Townsend 
>wrote:
>
>> On 12/01/2016 20:37, Ulrich Meier wrote:
>> > ...
>> > So here's the voting. I hope you agree with me...
>> >
>> >
>>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/recycling:coffee_capsules
>> >
>>
>> Is it really worth explicitly voting on?  "recycling:blah" is well
>> established already:
>http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=recycling
>> - why not just use it?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Andy
>>
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