Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)
What is the best way to bring this on a formal way to an official tag? Is wiki:Proposed_features the right place (it is partly about changing existing tags not only about new tags)? Where takes a vote place about this? Best Serpens Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2015 um 14:21 Uhr Von: serpens-...@gmx.de An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr) Short introduction: Let’s take the tagging scheme „fuel“ for example: amenity=fuel fuel:diesel=yes/no fuel:discount=discount programme … This is logical and consistent: amenity=xy and then a namespace xy:subkey=Tag --- Now to my topic: diplomatic institution – like an embassy, a consulate, ambassador’s residence, honorary consulate, consulate general, delegation, high commission, permanent mission, (permanent) representation etc. We have amenity=embassy since long time. Some of these are tagged on top with the (relatively new) key „diplomatic“ too – a very useful key. --- So I have two suggestions: *FIRST* Change amenity=embassy to amenity=diplomatic (this is more consistent and logical, analog to amenity=fuel etc.) or whatever=diplomatic. But please not the too specific „amenity=embassy“ – how could I explain a new mapper to tag a non-embassy (like a consulate) as „amenity=embassy“. for this, see also proposed features: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Embassy (and „talk“ page there) --- Besides the tagging of the type of diplomatic institution it is super useful to tag a machine-readable country code (at least for the sending country). This is done so far via country=country code. This is not the best solution because there are very often misunderstandings – which country? The sending country or the destination (hosting) country? Sometimes target=country code is used for the destination (hosting / „targeted“) country. My *SECOND* suggestion: diplomatic:sending=ES --- machine-readable ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code diplomatic:destination=FR --- -- -- It could be also diplomatic:destination_country or diplomatic:target or something like this. The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic), see http://aethiopien-botschaft.de/ for this, see also my osm blog (about tagging country codes on embassies etc.): - state 2009: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/5734 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/9082 - state 2015: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/28350 --- Because English is not my first language: Dear native speakers, please check if this is correct (sending country / destination country?). Taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=embassy http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diplomatic http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/country http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/target Best serpens --- tl;dr (sorry for the long post!): Example (Spanish consulate in France – CURRENT STATE): amenity=embassy--- „oh, look, it’s an embassy!“ diplomatic=consulate --- contradiction: „uhm, wait, no. it’s a consulate.“ country=ES --- often misunderstood as „addr:country“ name=Spanish consulate addr:country=FR … Example (Spanish consulate in France – MY PROPOSAL): amenity=diplomatic --- it’s a diplomatic institution diplomatic:type=consulate --- more specififc: it’s a consulate diplomatic:sending=ES --- machine-readable ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code diplomatic:destination=FR --- -- -- name=Spanish consulate addr:country=FR … ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)
I'm a bit lost in this thread and hope that I'm not repeating what was already said, but there is extensive documentation on this topic in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dembassy and linked pages. It might be disputable whether tagging consulate generals as embassies in the first level tag though. The above mentioned, more verbose suggestions (sending_country and destination_country rather than the documented country) make perfect sense also to me The current state is documented there, yes. But I think here and not there is the right place to discuss my new suggestions (diplomatic:sending_country=cc etc.). And amenity=embassy just way to specific, nobody wants amenity=consulate_general, ameninty=consulate etc. On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diplomatic is written: „Do not use diplomatic=* without amenity=embassy since it is not independently recognised by renderers.“ – that is true for now and I want to get rid of this. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)
Hi, thank you for your thoughts! diplomatic:country=ES I don’t think that is the best solution. Why not? As I wrote: The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic), see http://aethiopien-botschaft.de/ So there is an embassy - located in Berlin (addr:country=DE), - the sending country is Ethiopia (diplomatic:sending_country=ET) - and the destination countries are Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic (diplomatic:destination_country=DE;PL;SK;CZ). So every tag key makes sense (in my eyes). Best Julian ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)
having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd for the tag name ;-) That’s a joke, right? ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)
having an English name for a Spanish consulate to France seems kind of odd for the tag name ;-) That’s a joke, right? ;-) I would not see that a joke. name= should be the locally used name, name:en= the English one. It was just an hypothetical example and the whole discussion is not about the name tag, so I couldn’t really see the point. But for the record: Yes, of course, you both are right :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)
Short introduction: Let’s take the tagging scheme „fuel“ for example: amenity=fuel fuel:diesel=yes/no fuel:discount=discount programme … This is logical and consistent: amenity=xy and then a namespace xy:subkey=Tag --- Now to my topic: diplomatic institution – like an embassy, a consulate, ambassador’s residence, honorary consulate, consulate general, delegation, high commission, permanent mission, (permanent) representation etc. We have amenity=embassy since long time. Some of these are tagged on top with the (relatively new) key „diplomatic“ too – a very useful key. --- So I have two suggestions: *FIRST* Change amenity=embassy to amenity=diplomatic (this is more consistent and logical, analog to amenity=fuel etc.) or whatever=diplomatic. But please not the too specific „amenity=embassy“ – how could I explain a new mapper to tag a non-embassy (like a consulate) as „amenity=embassy“. for this, see also proposed features: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Embassy (and „talk“ page there) --- Besides the tagging of the type of diplomatic institution it is super useful to tag a machine-readable country code (at least for the sending country). This is done so far via country=country code. This is not the best solution because there are very often misunderstandings – which country? The sending country or the destination (hosting) country? Sometimes target=country code is used for the destination (hosting / „targeted“) country. My *SECOND* suggestion: diplomatic:sending=ES --- machine-readable ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code diplomatic:destination=FR --- -- -- It could be also diplomatic:destination_country or diplomatic:target or something like this. The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic), see http://aethiopien-botschaft.de/ for this, see also my osm blog (about tagging country codes on embassies etc.): - state 2009: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/5734 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/9082 - state 2015: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/28350 --- Because English is not my first language: Dear native speakers, please check if this is correct (sending country / destination country?). Taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=embassy http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diplomatic http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/country http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/target Best serpens --- tl;dr (sorry for the long post!): Example (Spanish consulate in France – CURRENT STATE): amenity=embassy--- „oh, look, it’s an embassy!“ diplomatic=consulate --- contradiction: „uhm, wait, no. it’s a consulate.“ country=ES --- often misunderstood as „addr:country“ name=Spanish consulate addr:country=FR … Example (Spanish consulate in France – MY PROPOSAL): amenity=diplomatic --- it’s a diplomatic institution diplomatic:type=consulate --- more specififc: it’s a consulate diplomatic:sending=ES --- machine-readable ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code diplomatic:destination=FR --- -- -- name=Spanish consulate addr:country=FR … ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
